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Life is Strange | Spoiler Thread
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Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
"Especially poor Kate Marsh who you tried so hard to ensure she survives."
This is what fucking gets me. The entire game you feel like Max actually cares about Kate and considers her an amazing friend. She's genuinely happy to save her life, and even in the new realities she takes the time out to tell Kate how much she means to her, and that she's with her, and that she cares for her.
Yet, in the end? "Fuck you Kate you can die Chloe's my real babe." No. Damn it. Like, Dana? Alyssa? The Mexican Guy who draws? Okay, I can see them not mattering when Max does this, but Kate Marsh? No dude... Max should have at least shown SOME concern for Kate.
Does that mean using any knowledge acquired from time traveling would fuck shit up? Because that would suck lol. Max is better off not making friends.
Edge_Maverick
Member
Really good game. Enjoyed most of it.
8.5/10. Not my GOTY, but hell, this much better than TWD Season 2 for example.
For me, the "Sacrifice Chloe" ending is the best one. Of course it's really sad (dar music t_t), but it felt "right".
Now, I fell really bad for Nathan. Let Warren broke his face, but dude became insane because of Jefferson. He did kill Rachel in the end but... I dunno, after listening to his message you can see that he was honest about his feelings. He never wanted that to happen.
8.5/10. Not my GOTY, but hell, this much better than TWD Season 2 for example.
For me, the "Sacrifice Chloe" ending is the best one. Of course it's really sad (dar music t_t), but it felt "right".
Now, I fell really bad for Nathan. Let Warren broke his face, but dude became insane because of Jefferson. He did kill Rachel in the end but... I dunno, after listening to his message you can see that he was honest about his feelings. He never wanted that to happen.
matrixman92
Member
kinda bummed that kates rabbit and Franks dog are probably dead. Everyone else...eh, oh well. Samuel can be with his spirit animals or whatever he was doing now
That made me lol as well.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
IMO, if you save Chloe, Chloe's fully put herself in your hands.
As she states, she knows she's not the best person around, and that maybe she needs to die, but she's putting this decision on you.
Some of it's probably not wanting to die, sure, but I feel there's more to it than that. She's putting her life in Max's hands, and now, she's following your lead.
If you aren't a Pricefield shipper (or a fan of Chloe in general), it'd probably feel a bit weirder about the 'saving her' aspect, and I imagine that, on the whole, saving Arcadia is probably ends up being the more-picked route.
That being said, I agree that Kate, Dana, and everyone else who wasn't David/Nathan/Jefferson just being 'rocks fall, everybody dies' offscreen kind of mutes that choice of picking Chloe, with how upbeat it was.
Incidentally, thought nightmare Kate's 'let's go and have that tea' was a really odd line to say, given that everyone else comments on your having changed them, yet Kate's referencing something pre episode 1, that quickly gets overshadowed by the whole suicide thing. If she's alive in a play through, I'd expect something a little more personal.
As she states, she knows she's not the best person around, and that maybe she needs to die, but she's putting this decision on you.
Some of it's probably not wanting to die, sure, but I feel there's more to it than that. She's putting her life in Max's hands, and now, she's following your lead.
If you aren't a Pricefield shipper (or a fan of Chloe in general), it'd probably feel a bit weirder about the 'saving her' aspect, and I imagine that, on the whole, saving Arcadia is probably ends up being the more-picked route.
That being said, I agree that Kate, Dana, and everyone else who wasn't David/Nathan/Jefferson just being 'rocks fall, everybody dies' offscreen kind of mutes that choice of picking Chloe, with how upbeat it was.
Incidentally, thought nightmare Kate's 'let's go and have that tea' was a really odd line to say, given that everyone else comments on your having changed them, yet Kate's referencing something pre episode 1, that quickly gets overshadowed by the whole suicide thing. If she's alive in a play through, I'd expect something a little more personal.
The_Hitcher89
Member
'Life is.......weird' made me lol
I chose to save Chloe like a chump, and like to assume that David and Jefferson are alive by being in the Dark Room when the hurricane hit, and Kate survived because the hospital presumably isn't in the town.
Shame for everyone else, but Chloe is Max's BFF innit
I chose to save Chloe like a chump, and like to assume that David and Jefferson are alive by being in the Dark Room when the hurricane hit, and Kate survived because the hospital presumably isn't in the town.
Shame for everyone else, but Chloe is Max's BFF innit
Those devs totally didn't give it to us lol
statham
Member
but her mom and the dog.
edit: what do you think those o rings in warren locker are?
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
But... that Shitty Life with David... how much of that is David's fault? Honestly, the whole game I felt bad for David. Chloe is the daughter who didn't respect him, fell into drugs and hung out with the wrong crowd. David tried to reach out to her, but she wouldn't accept it because she couldn't let go of the past.
EDIT: Feel like I got to say. David is a piece of shit for hitting Chloe, and he will never be justified for doing that. But Chloe was never willing to EVER listen to him, on the basis that he wasn't William.
ALL
THE
FEELS
hot damn
did both endings, overall I think sacrificing Chloe is the "real" ending to the story, but FUCK THAT SHIT I SACRIFICED THAT TOWN ON MY FIRST PLAYTHROUGH/AS MY FIRST CHOICE.
Then watched the sacrifice Chloe ending and now I'm crying
great
THE
FEELS
hot damn
did both endings, overall I think sacrificing Chloe is the "real" ending to the story, but FUCK THAT SHIT I SACRIFICED THAT TOWN ON MY FIRST PLAYTHROUGH/AS MY FIRST CHOICE.
Then watched the sacrifice Chloe ending and now I'm crying
great
Edge_Maverick
Member
Hey guys, who was the homeless woman anyway? I decided to warn her about the storm, so when I returned to town during the apocalypse she wasn't there.
Ep 5 did a good job making me like the principal and David. The chat in SF with the principal showed how upstanding he is if he chose to be. David saving Max was really great and unexpected. It'll make me behave differently to David in a replay. Dude is paranoid but he's actually a good guy.
I completely missed her in my playthrough so she died in my game. Crushed under a car.
I completely missed her in my playthrough so she died in my game. Crushed under a car.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Don't think we'll ever know, probably another red herring.
She's mentioned during the race to the diner, and in the nightmare diner scene she says something about 'thanks for saving me, hope you do it for everyone else too' before you talk to your doppelganger.
Nope Got that one.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I think they're both kind of shitty people in their own unique ways. Chloe alone almost turned me off from the game after the first two episodes. I think I only started getting any investment in the character at all after the entire paralyzed Chloe episode
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I still wonder what happens to Max in between photo time jumps... I mean, we saw "alternate Max" in the nightmare diner, but that hardly counts since all of that was bonkers anyway.
matrixman92
Member
i looked at all the optional photos a few days ago when they were put up for the xbox achievements. I had to look up a guide for the squirrel window...felt like I was going to miss it
Edge_Maverick
Member
Heh, guess that's what happen if you don't talk to her (or if you decided to hid the truth about the tornado).
Missed this ;(
Well, it was really cool talking to her because she had this very "mysterious vibe" (like "I know a lot of things"). I actually thought she was one of the main protagonists (or even Rachel) but from another timeline.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Lol, Chloe's birthday is the code (March 11) in the bathroom during the nightmare sequence.
You were not alone, lol.
You were not alone, lol.
I was happy not to look up how to solve that. As soon as Max mentioned the reflection, I checked and there it was.
that was such an easy puzzle lol, opposite of a vampire!
Ok guys just marathoned this over the weekend till now since i waited all this time to play it. It was a truly wonderful experience and i find it remarkable Dontnod pulled this off. I hope they can make interesting games like this for a long long time.
Here are my overall impressions;
-There is only one true ending, and thats the sacrifice Chloe one. Such a profoundly more emotional and better ending than the alternative, which wasnt terrible, but i picked the save Chloe ending first cause i just couldnt let her go and it actually felt depressing....everything surrounded by guilt. So went back and did the other ending and cried like a bitch. You know a games good when your second time doing the alternate ending makes you feel shit.
-Wasnt really bothered but wish the game didnt straight lift so many story beats from The Butterfly Effect movie with Ashton Kutcher. At the very least many of the same themes exist. Everything from focusing hard on things to go back in time, to the whole trying to save people and even the paralyzed subplot etc. Really made it feel like the writers saw that movie and thought 'gee this would make a great game lets change the characters around a bit'. If you havent seen that movie you should cause you might be surprised how much alike they are.
-Game looked a lot better than i expected. Lots of detail in the environments worked really well. I loved you could click on so much shit and get a lot of dialog.
-Not to offend anyone but i had a real hard time figuring out who was straight or bi or lesbian in this. Like seriously there were moments i was absolutely convinced they were ready to jump each other and then the next moment they are talking about getting boyfriends etc. I mean this is definitely an interesting aspect of the game in how it approaches sexuality. As a male, i was a converted lesbian by the end of this.
-Choices seemed to really matter even if they didnt. Decisions i made in ep 1 or 2 kept being referenced in every episode after pretty seamlessly. Was impressed how natural everything felt.
-The rewind mechanic really added a lot of interesting ways to mess with the story, and was generally a fun gameplay mechanic that added the illusion of gameplay that may not have been there.
-The tone of this was impressively serious and topical for something coming from Square Enix. Hey square enix make more of these games, cause they actually matter to people.
-This was basically the most impressive and emotional "adventure" game ive played since Walking Dead season 1.
Here are my overall impressions;
-There is only one true ending, and thats the sacrifice Chloe one. Such a profoundly more emotional and better ending than the alternative, which wasnt terrible, but i picked the save Chloe ending first cause i just couldnt let her go and it actually felt depressing....everything surrounded by guilt. So went back and did the other ending and cried like a bitch. You know a games good when your second time doing the alternate ending makes you feel shit.
-Wasnt really bothered but wish the game didnt straight lift so many story beats from The Butterfly Effect movie with Ashton Kutcher. At the very least many of the same themes exist. Everything from focusing hard on things to go back in time, to the whole trying to save people and even the paralyzed subplot etc. Really made it feel like the writers saw that movie and thought 'gee this would make a great game lets change the characters around a bit'. If you havent seen that movie you should cause you might be surprised how much alike they are.
-Game looked a lot better than i expected. Lots of detail in the environments worked really well. I loved you could click on so much shit and get a lot of dialog.
-Not to offend anyone but i had a real hard time figuring out who was straight or bi or lesbian in this. Like seriously there were moments i was absolutely convinced they were ready to jump each other and then the next moment they are talking about getting boyfriends etc. I mean this is definitely an interesting aspect of the game in how it approaches sexuality. As a male, i was a converted lesbian by the end of this.
-Choices seemed to really matter even if they didnt. Decisions i made in ep 1 or 2 kept being referenced in every episode after pretty seamlessly. Was impressed how natural everything felt.
-The rewind mechanic really added a lot of interesting ways to mess with the story, and was generally a fun gameplay mechanic that added the illusion of gameplay that may not have been there.
-The tone of this was impressively serious and topical for something coming from Square Enix. Hey square enix make more of these games, cause they actually matter to people.
-This was basically the most impressive and emotional "adventure" game ive played since Walking Dead season 1.
toastyToast
Member
A Max gets to deal with the shit that proto-Max leaves behind. It would have been cool if they showed more like all the Max's dealing with Chloe's numerous deaths, the Max that euthanised Chloe in a prison jump suit etc.
Alternate Max was one of the most interesting highlights of that episode. There is just so much going on, so many possibilities and areas to explore.
I highly recommend Remember Me, great gameplay, music & setting. The story though is pretty meh, DONTNOD made quite the leap between games.
matrixman92
Member
AlphaDragoon
Member
Yeah, it's complete bullshit that she'd be that flippant about Kate dying. On top of the fact that Joyce who Max also cares about a great deal is there. And Warren who she has feelings for, if you went that route. And all the people who didn't have a huge impact in her life but she still liked. Fuck that shit.
That's why again, you gotta go Chloe.
I went and finished the photos for 100%, also looked at the journal during the final scene to see what Max wrote. You can actually see if you're gonna get the kiss Chloe romantic end or the hug Chloe friendship end. In the journal, if Max says "Chloe will always be my best friend" and "we're like family" then you got the hug. If she says Chloe is "more than her best friend" and how she's hurt when Chloe was flirting with other people in the nightmare, you got the kiss.
It was such bullshit though. I picked that one first, and all they had were regretful sad looks at each other as they went ahead. I mean at least make the ending show them their futures. They could have elaborated that whole ending a lot more to show the families they might have spawned or lives they affected together. Instead they just drive of all sad and shit. Whereas the other ending is not only a lot longer, but just makes more sense.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Surely the 'true ending' is the one you choose with consideration, regardless of how satisfying it is compared to the alternative?
With no extended universe, no canon, no twists and no joke endings, the only thing that can designate the true ending is my own original decison.
Obviously one is longer than the other, but not to the extent that one is throwaway and the other is the one you were supposed to end up with.
With no extended universe, no canon, no twists and no joke endings, the only thing that can designate the true ending is my own original decison.
Obviously one is longer than the other, but not to the extent that one is throwaway and the other is the one you were supposed to end up with.
AlphaDragoon
Member
The Sacrifice Chloe ending definitely feels like the real ending. I kinda feel like they should have made it the only choice, given the half-assing (due to budget or otherwise) of the other ending.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Its funny you say that because while watching it I was thinking that it must have taken them ages to conceptualise and programme the wide shot of the destroyed town 
Loved the episode overall, the beginning and nightmare and Pompidou text and everything was awesome. The ending left me a bit eh as I chose the Save Chloe ending first and it was pretty underwhelming. Doesn't seem to have as much work gone into it as the other one. The other one was really good but my problem is how none of the choices play into either ending scene. Of course they are referenced often throughout the game and they do impact your actions all the way up to Ep. 4 but in Ep. 5 it felt like most of the choices were only referenced in dialogue and had no real impact as far as scenes/gameplay went. I do like when there's at least 5-6 endings so it gives a bit more nuance to how your choices play into the ending than just a binary one. Catherine was mentioned and yeah, that's one. Even one with less obvious choices like Steins;Gate turns out to have more ending scenes impacted by those very choices. I do like they gave some closure to most characters if you were in good enough standing, like Persona 4 Golden.
I also wonder about a lot of the stuff Nathan said about his dad and the stuff we found making it seem like they knew about the storm coming or whatever, and so did Samuel and the homeless woman but nothing really came from them in Ep. 5.
So yeah, happy with most of the Episode and all the creative stuff we got in the beginning and the nightmare and all, it was a really good episode even when considering how I hoped the ending would be more fleshed out (but then again it was a relatively quick turnaround for an ending, we would've had to wait 2016 otherwise).
I also wonder about a lot of the stuff Nathan said about his dad and the stuff we found making it seem like they knew about the storm coming or whatever, and so did Samuel and the homeless woman but nothing really came from them in Ep. 5.
So yeah, happy with most of the Episode and all the creative stuff we got in the beginning and the nightmare and all, it was a really good episode even when considering how I hoped the ending would be more fleshed out (but then again it was a relatively quick turnaround for an ending, we would've had to wait 2016 otherwise).
matrixman92
Member
not sure if its already been posted. But they have been answering questions through twitter DM's I believe. Here is one regarding the sacrifice arcadia bay ending
There was also another one posted where he said they wanted to expand the endings, but were not able to due to budget constraints
Edit: here it is
There was also another one posted where he said they wanted to expand the endings, but were not able to due to budget constraints
Edit: here it is
not sure if its already been posted. But they have been answering questions through twitter DM's I believe. Here is one regarding the sacrifice arcadia bay ending
There was also another one posted where he said they wanted to expand the endings, but were not able to due to budget constraints
Ok, in response to that response, they should have kissed, very passionately, yes.....and they need to work on their facial rigging smile mechanics cause the smiles i saw were almost non-existent. Mostly sad-face.
Oh, top of page.
This is the Spoiler Thread everyone.
I will say though that Max mentions getting her power and not seeking it and I think the reason she got it was probably very influenced by symbolics (religion, native american symbolism, etc). Rachel getting Max to put an end to Jefferson while not changing the rest of history was apparently okay with the town, cleansed it or something, to the sacrifice of Chloe. The other option was altering too much, having the apocalypse happen and the town being obliterated. When it is though, we see a lot of animals pop out and there's a lot of cleansing that seems to have been done too.[/SPOILER]
This is the Spoiler Thread everyone.
I will say though that Max mentions getting her power and not seeking it and I think the reason she got it was probably very influenced by symbolics (religion, native american symbolism, etc). Rachel getting Max to put an end to Jefferson while not changing the rest of history was apparently okay with the town, cleansed it or something, to the sacrifice of Chloe. The other option was altering too much, having the apocalypse happen and the town being obliterated. When it is though, we see a lot of animals pop out and there's a lot of cleansing that seems to have been done too.[/SPOILER]
The_Hitcher89
Member
In the timeline of the second-to-last scene with Max and Chloe at the lighthouse, what has already happened at that point? Sacrificing Arcadia obviously doesn't shift the timeline any further, so is everything business as usual in the town when the hurricane hits?
Jefferson could still be at large if so
Jefferson could still be at large if so