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[Famassu]

How convenient. I still think it's a plot hole in the whole death being destiny thing they were going for. I'm sorry to keep going on this point, but I just can't help but feel it's the one thing that hurts the game for me. I love all the notes it hits otherwise, but this idea that Chloe surviving is what leads to all hell breaking loose all seems to contrived to me, in order to put the player in a shitty decision at the end.

If this is all for Max's sake where she gets to have one more week to rekindle a friendship with her best friend, it's done in a really shitty way. I guess destiny likes to fuck with people too? Max could just as easily have "grown up" by not being given her powers, and having to see her best friend the first time in forever after she had been shot...forcing Max to deal with the lose and grief that comes with being human, which in turn would still end up helping bringing justice to Rachel's killer. Instead, Max gets put into some really fucked up situations, and has to make a choice at the end of the game that no person should have to, for the sake of "growing up". Oh yes, I remember after high school, I had to choose between killing my dog, and destroying my home town...those were the days.

This story I think could have just as easily been done very effective and emotionally with a more rewarding outcome. Chloe came off as a character not really appreciating what was right in front of her a lot because she was filled with so much rage from her step father, and the lose of Rachel. The game could have been just as rewarding with Max not just saving Chloe's life, and the town somehow, but also giving Chloe a reason to enjoy life and where she was again.

That's just my opinion though.

I'm sorry, but your rambling just kind of comes off as you not being able to deal with the death of Chloe. Of coure the story COULD'VE been told in a way that everyone is saved and Chloe is all happy-happy joy-joy again, but that's not the story they wanted to tell. It's not about Max NEEDING to go through anything to grow up or anything, it's just something she happens to go through in this story.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I suppose the only plothole there was is when Max ripped up her entry picture, she still could have texted David.

I guess maybe when she ripped up the picture, the events of her texting David in class never happened?

So strange.

When she was in San Francisco and freaking out, all I could think of was that she should sit down and collect her thoughts for a bit. She really had all the time she could ask for to plot things out at that point; no need to rush.

If the problem doesn't come from her not thinking things through, it might be because that time bubble gave her less time than she expected. When entering it, she did say she felt as though reality was being ripped apart, so maybe it was unexpected and she was going to text David right after tearing her picture.

 

[Famassu]

Those are both plausible.

I would have thought that Kate's video already being on the internet at the beginning of the first episode would have meant that she would still be suffering abuse and thinking suicidal thoughts. Also, Victoria and her gang played a large part in spreading the malicious gossip about Kate as well. Unless Max went all gung-ho on them all to support Kate, she may have still ended up on that rooftop.

I like the idea about the doe being Rachel Amber's spirit animal. It seems that the blue butterfly is Chloe's. Maybe an animal that was nearby at the moment of someone's death? Interesting that there were quite a few deer references throughout the game, particularly in the last episode on Max's clothing (when she's not wearing the death's head moth/butterfly shirt).

The video might be available online, but Nathan & Jefferson's shit being revealed would give it context that would give Kate reason not to commit suicide. People tease her because she's maybe a bit obnoxiously religious at times and then suddenly a video of her doing drugs/"sin" surfaces and she's made to look like a hypocrite (& embarrassed in the eyes of her relatives). The shame of not being able to prove that she didn't do drugs (willingly) and having everyone bully her about that is what drives her to do what she does.

 

[Hyrule Warrior]

I'm sorry, but your rambling just kind of comes off as you not being able to deal with the death of Chloe. Of coure the story COULD'VE been told in a way that everyone is saved and Chloe is all happy-happy joy-joy again, but that's not the story they wanted to tell. It's not about Max NEEDING to go through anything to grow up or anything, it's just something she happens to go through in this story.

Here I thought I was articulating my thoughts quite well. Once again I prove I'm a fucking idiot who just needs to keep his mouth shut.

 

[matrixman92]

I really dont like how we didnt see the fate of any characters in the sacrifice arcadia bay ending. That one person from dontnod put out that blanket statement that "everyone is dead". Was the hopsital even in town, is kate alive? I find it strange that nobody would leave town when they see a huge fucking tornado coming.

Also, i dont remember seeing it in the ending, but someone posted a pic of the diner after the tornado. It looked untouched, except the sign fell off the top.

 

[Goldrush]

I chose to sacrifice Arcadia Bay. It was really interesting to see that when Max and Chloe were leaving town, it looked like it started snowing again. It made me think that wherever Chloe is in the future, the world will spiral towards a major natural disaster in an attempt to kill her and right the timeline.

Another interesting question - if you choose to sacrifice Chloe by going back to the butterfly photo, how is it that Kate (in my game) was still alive? I'm pretty sure that Max used her time powers in order to save Kate in the first place (so she had time to get up to the roof). Wouldn't the world treat saving Kate the same as saving Chloe, and then try to kill Kate as well? Even if Max saved Kate by encouraging her from the very beginning, this encouragement only came about because Max used her time powers to go back to the butterfly photo reality. In that reality she didn't encourage Kate and had to use her time powers to save her. Logically it seems that having Kate alive at Chloe's funeral means that there is potentially a second natural disaster on its way.

On a lighter note - Monty Python reference for the win!
(via Reddit)

The way I see it, Sacrificing Chloe will result in events playing out without Max's interference. David got Nathan > Nathan lead to Jefferson's arrest > Jefferson's arrest gave Kate's answers and closure > Kate is no longer depressed. So in the original timeline, Kate was never meant to die. If the final leap is similar to the rest, Max won't remember anything until a week later so she can't really act on future information.

hey guys, i guess that blue butterfly will be a recurring thing in the series? seems like it.

Can't see it. The butterfly is an allusion to the butterfly effect, a flap of a butterfly wing leading to a tornado. It's pretty specific to Chloe's situation where her survival indirectly brought harm to Kate, Victoria, Nathan, etc. and her every step out of the bathroom causes imbalances in nature.

I don't see them playing with the same idea again. It'll just be too limiting to future installments. I actually wondered if they locked themselves out of using time travel again with the ending. Rewinding is too convenient in this type of game so I can't see them getting rid of it. However, I wonder if they'll rework it as psychic ability or even just have it as a gameplay mechanic that is never referenced in the narrative next season.

 

[Famassu]

Here I thought I was articulating my thoughts quite well. Once again I prove I'm a fucking idiot who just needs to keep his mouth shut.

You don't need to shut your mouth and you're not a fucking idiot. I'm just saying, it just seems like your issue really is that this story is as tragic as it is and trying to find meaning where there is none. That no matter what you do, either Max loses Chloe or the whole town gets leveled and a lot of people in it get killed. Seems like you'd have wanted a happier ending where all of the good deeds you do during the story would be rewarded. Instead the ending is a pretty big FUCK YOU to a story where the main character does her best to move through time to prevent tragic stuff from happening. A decently well executed FUCK YOU, I thought, but a FUCK YOU nonetheless.

 

[RedSparrows]

You don't need to shut your mouth and you're not a fucking idiot. I'm just saying, it just seems like your issue really is that this story is as tragic as it is and trying to find meaning where there is none. That no matter what you do, either Max loses Chloe or the whole town gets leveled and a lot of people in it get killed. Seems like you'd have wanted a happier ending where all of the good deeds you do during the story would be rewarded. Instead the ending is a pretty big FUCK YOU to a story where the main character does her best to move through time to prevent tragic stuff from happening. A decently well executed FUCK YOU, I thought, but a FUCK YOU nonetheless.

It's not so much a 'fuck you' for me as a 'this is life. life is strange.' I'm sure there's a German word for this exact sensation, but I can't recall it

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I actually wondered if they locked themselves out of using time travel again with the ending. Rewinding is too convenient in this type of game so I can't see them getting rid of it. However, I wonder if they'll rework it as psychic ability or even just have it as a gameplay mechanic that is never referenced in the narrative next season.

I think they have. They cannot use time travel again; all subjects covering that kind of story have already been covered. It's established that the time travel itself was the source of all the problems, and they wouldn't be able to play with that or retcon it if that were to enter the fray again (unless it was a subversion that someone wanted to mess with reality by using time travel, which would be kinda weird).

A psychic ability of being able to rewind is exactly the same, and brings about the same problems. I personally think keeping it solely as a gameplay mechanic without it being tied into the narrative would be incredibly weak, when it was fundamental to character interaction in LiS and made complete sense, in a really cool way.

I think the best case scenario, if they were to continue with super powers, would be that (new) power having another innovation on how dialogue choices are made. Something that gives the player more knowledge than a normal person would have as to what they effect, but not involving time travel or the ability to rewind.

 

[Kinsei]

I think the best case scenario, if they were to continue with super powers, would be that (new) power having another innovation on how dialogue choices are made. Something that gives the player more knowledge than a normal person would have as to what they effect, but not involving time travel or the ability to rewind.

I think mind reading could be interesting.

 

[Harlequin]

I'm sorry, but your rambling just kind of comes off as you not being able to deal with the death of Chloe. Of coure the story COULD'VE been told in a way that everyone is saved and Chloe is all happy-happy joy-joy again, but that's not the story they wanted to tell. It's not about Max NEEDING to go through anything to grow up or anything, it's just something she happens to go through in this story.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Chloe dying at all (not from a storytelling POV, anyway). However, I also think that the whole "Chloe not dying caused the storm" thing feels a little contrived. Again, there's the William thing, then there's all the people who can die because of Max's time powers but "shouldn't" according to "the universe". How would it rectify that? There's also the problem of the storm killing not just Chloe but lots of other people who would've actually not been supposed to die so "the universe" would actually be screwing up its own plan by sending the storm after Chloe. Unless It doesn't really care about all the others and Chloe is somehow special. I guess they could've explained it by tying more of the Native American theme into the story, saying that Chloe is somehow cursed or sth (though that would have also felt a little too convenient - the girl withe the Native American curse being best friends with the girl with the time rewind power) and the storm isn't caused by the universe but by the curse. But the way I currently understand the story, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for "the universe" to single Chloe out like that.

 

[That Dude John]

So...I still want to know what was up with Rachel. Even Mr. Jefferson was drinking the Rachel kool-aid.

 

[Famassu]

It's not so much a 'fuck you' for me as a 'this is life. life is strange.' I'm sure there's a German word for this exact sensation, but I can't recall it

Ok, maybe not a fuck you, but still a kind of "Sucks to be you" kind of thing where all the hard work Max has gone through to save everyone turns out to be all in vain when she cannot save the one person she'd really want to (without causing death & destruction on a larger scale). In a story where choice seems to have mattered for so many people & in so many situations, there's no choice that leads to a happy ending with Chloe without any other sacrifices.

I do personally like the interpretation that this all just kind of happened inside Max's head and the state of Arcadia Bay symbolizes the state of Max's mental health. After seeing Chloe die, she gets traumatized and she either 1) learns to cope with it and accepts it (sacrifice Chloe) and moves on with her life or 2) she doesn't learn to cope with it, sacrifices the town and continues to live inside her fantasy world on a road trip with Chloe, where the rest of the world continues to fall into similar kind of chaos that Arcadia Bay did, if the snowfall is anything to go by (= her mental health doesn't get any better, her mind is still in disarray after the tragic death of her best friend and she just falls deeper & deeper into the dark depths of her traumatized mind).

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So...I still want to know what was up with Rachel. Even Mr. Jefferson was drinking the Rachel kool-aid.

She had time powers so she made herself appear to be perfect to everyone around her.

Spoiler

I don't know.

 

[Grisby]

Chose to sacrifice the town. Why? Because I didn't want to go through the deal of killing Chloe again and I figured some people might still survive. Ending was a little too short compared to the other ending (which I immediately youtube'd after), but when both characters smiled at each other in the end, it felt alright.

While it wasn't the narrative they were going for, I would have liked Max to have been the one that deserved to die. Like, why not trade a life for a life. She was bleeding from the nose so much there that I thought something might happen.

Liked:
-Alyssa saving Max, pretty funny
-Max's, "You're gonna die motherfucker' line to Jefferson. It felt pretty cool to be the one of (almost)power in that position.
-Nightmare sequence was done well, although the stealth was a little eeehhhhh.
-That call from Nathan was well done, and David's redemption was also good. I loved his, "Yes Sir," line at one point when Max was telling him what to do.

What does everyone think is the best piece (and use) of music in the series? (licensed or otherwise)

I would imagine Syd Matters - Obstacles and Foals - Spanish Sahara would be the front runners. Although that menu theme is pretty great, as is José González - Crosses, that's just a few samples -- it was a great selection.

I really like both songs from Syd Matters, but I'll have to give it more thought.

The regular guitar pluck theme is some good stuff.

 

[Soriku]

So...I still want to know what was up with Rachel. Even Mr. Jefferson was drinking the Rachel kool-aid.

She's hot and had a good personality so everyone was enamored with her. That's about it?

 

[Smiley90]

Impossible everyone is dead in the sacrifice arcadia ending

- David and Jefferson are in a bunker away from the beach
- Kate is in the hospital
- People at school SHOULD be safe as there's probably a bunker there too
- Max's parents are definitely save.

I wish that ending wouldve had Max, Chloe and David attending Joyce's and Warren's funeral, maybe even Nathan and Victoria's too, as those are really the "critical" people dying in that scenario. Or show them reaching Max's parents in Seattle. Or at least have them LOOK FOR Warren and Joyce. That wouldve made that ending at least not an obvious victim of budget cuts and those of us that prefer that ending would've gotten a "real" ending as well.

 

[Kinsei]

What do you need to do to be able to kiss Warren (Not that I ever would. Yeah that Warren was going to die but there's no way in hell that he's getting more than a hug)? In my playthrough there was only the option for a hug or nothing at all.

So...I still want to know what was up with Rachel. Even Mr. Jefferson was drinking the Rachel kool-aid.

There are people like that in rel life. Those that seem to fit in easily with everyone.

Impossible everyone is dead in the sacrifice arcadia ending

- David and Jefferson are in a bunker away from the beach
- Kate is in the hospital
- People at school SHOULD be safe as there's probably a bunker there too
- Max's parents are definitely save.

I wish that ending wouldve had Max, Chloe and David attending Joyce's and Warren's funeral, maybe even Nathan and Victoria's too, as those are really the "critical" people dying in that scenario. Or show them reaching Max's parents in Seattle. Or at least have them LOOK FOR Warren and Joyce. That wouldve made that ending at least not an obvious victim of budget cuts and those of us that prefer that ending would've gotten a "real" ending as well.

Where do you think Max and Chloe would head first after all this shit was over? Seattle of course. Max's parents probably died in a tornado there caused by you keeping Chloe alive.

 

[InfiniDragon]

Chose to sacrifice the town. Why? Because I didn't want to go through the deal of killing Chloe again and I figured some people might still survive

Nope, you killed em all.

I really dont like how we didnt see the fate of any characters in the sacrifice arcadia bay ending. That one person from dontnod put out that blanket statement that "everyone is dead". Was the hopsital even in town, is kate alive? I find it strange that nobody would leave town when they see a huge fucking tornado coming.

If you're gonna save Chloe over the people, do it with the full knowledge that you genocided a town for her. XD

 

[KingBroly]

Rachel is also who Max wants to be but won't admit it.

 

[Goldrush]

Personally, I don't have a problem with Chloe dying at all (not from a storytelling POV, anyway). However, I also think that the whole "Chloe not dying caused the storm" thing feels a little contrived. Again, there's the William thing, then there's all the people who can die because of Max's time powers but "shouldn't" according to "the universe". How would it rectify that? There's also the problem of the storm killing not just Chloe but lots of other people who would've actually not been supposed to die so "the universe" would actually be screwing up its own plan by sending the storm after Chloe. Unless It doesn't really care about all the others and Chloe is somehow special. I guess they could've explained it by tying more of the Native American theme into the story, saying that Chloe is somehow cursed or sth (though that would have also felt a little too convenient - the girl withe the Native American curse being best friends with the girl with the time rewind power) and the storm isn't caused by the universe but by the curse. But the way I currently understand the story, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for "the universe" to single Chloe out like that.

I don't think it's singling out Chloe so much as Chloe was the first domino to fall. So every person she bump into, talk to, etc. are also causing damage to the system. Those people along with everyone they interact with are now doing something different causing more havoc to the balance. We don't know enough about what happens after the tornado. Maybe it's a cascading failure or maybe everything settle down after finding a new balance.

 

[Zambayoshi]

Impossible everyone is dead in the sacrifice arcadia ending

- David and Jefferson are in a bunker away from the beach
- Kate is in the hospital
- People at school SHOULD be safe as there's probably a bunker there too
- Max's parents are definitely save.

I wish that ending wouldve had Max, Chloe and David attending Joyce's and Warren's funeral, maybe even Nathan and Victoria's too, as those are really the "critical" people dying in that scenario. Or show them reaching Max's parents in Seattle. Or at least have them LOOK FOR Warren and Joyce. That wouldve made that ending at least not an obvious victim of budget cuts and those of us that prefer that ending would've gotten a "real" ending as well.

Maybe Max & Chloe know that they'll constantly be on the run now that Chloe has escaped her fate yet again. Look at the snow starting to fall as they drive off in the car. I think Max & Chloe are in for one wild ride that will involve Max constantly using her powers to save Chloe and herself, possibly ending up with some natural disaster that is so big that they simply cannot escape or survive it. Even knowing this might happen, they are going to stick together until the end.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Sacrifice Arcadia choice was definitely less fulfilling.

Also, I wished climate change really was the reason for the tornado.

 

[Harlequin]

I don't think it's singling out Chloe so much as Chloe was the first domino to fall. So every person she bump into, talk to, etc. are also causing damage to the system. Those people along with everyone they interact with are now doing something different causing more havoc to the balance. We don't know enough about what happens after the tornado. Maybe it's a cascading failure or maybe everything settle down after finding a new balance.

But again, the same would've been true for William surviving in the alternate reality and there was no natural disaster there. So that still points to Chloe being something special. (Unless we accept the extradiegetic explanation of this being a plothole.)

EDIT: Not to mention that wiping out the town would've caused massive chain reactions in and of itself. If the whole point of the storm was to avoid these chain reactions which weren't part of "the plan" then its entirely counterproductive because wiping out the entire town with all its inhabitants is an even larger change with even larger and more numerous repercussions than letting Chloe live.

 

[Smiley90]

Maybe Max & Chloe know that they'll constantly be on the run now that Chloe has escaped her fate yet again. Look at the snow starting to fall as they drive off in the car. I think Max & Chloe are in for one wild ride that will involve Max constantly using her powers to save Chloe and herself, possibly ending up with some natural disaster that is so big that they simply cannot escape or survive it. Even knowing this might happen, they are going to stick together until the end.

Not necessarily. I see the deer in the destroyed town as a symbol that the spirits are "free" again now too. So I don't think they'll have disaster following them.

 

[Krabboss]

Why didn't the world similarly go to great length to correct Max's meddling when she saved William's life?

edit: never mind y'all are already talking about this

 

[Famassu]

Personally, I don't have a problem with Chloe dying at all (not from a storytelling POV, anyway). However, I also think that the whole "Chloe not dying caused the storm" thing feels a little contrived. Again, there's the William thing, then there's all the people who can die because of Max's time powers but "shouldn't" according to "the universe". How would it rectify that? There's also the problem of the storm killing not just Chloe but lots of other people who would've actually not been supposed to die so "the universe" would actually be screwing up its own plan by sending the storm after Chloe. Unless It doesn't really care about all the others and Chloe is somehow special. I guess they could've explained it by tying more of the Native American theme into the story, saying that Chloe is somehow cursed or sth (though that would have also felt a little too convenient - the girl withe the Native American curse being best friends with the girl with the time rewind power) and the storm isn't caused by the universe but by the curse. But the way I currently understand the story, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for "the universe" to single Chloe out like that.

Well, first of all, I don't think the "universe" is any kind of sentient.. thing that has any kind of logical thought behind what is happening. It doesn't have a plan of how to rectify the situation. It doesn't actively send a storm to kill Chloe.

I like to think that it's more like a force of nature, where Chloe being saved by Max basically ripping open the space-time continuum causes a disturbance in it and each time that Max uses her powers that disturbance grows, which ends up causing all the freaky shit and in the end causes such a huge tornado. So Chloe being alive is kind of the reason why it happens, but the root cause might still be HOW she was saved time & time again by Max using her powers. Remember that Chloe's death at the end of Epi 4 does not prevent the storm from happening as if some kind of wrong in the universe has been corrected. It's only the first moment of the time manipulation not happening that ends up preventing the storm. Maybe if Chloe didn't die because Nathan slipped on the wet bathroom floor without any need for Max to intervene with her powers, the universe wouldn't need a "fix", but because she was saved by Max altering time & space, that's what makes it such a no-no. So... basically... shitty luck, not necessarily that she was always destined to die at that exact moment since the universe was born.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Not necessarily. I see the deer in the destroyed town as a symbol that the spirits are "free" again now too. So I don't think they'll have disaster following them.

I disagree with that. The deer in the town are not "Spirit Deer," they're just normal animals demonstrating the fact that the humans got fucked over and nature has taken Arcadia Bay once again.

To me, the fact that the ending fades out with it snowing—which was the first indicator of the disaster—is a pretty clear tell that things are not going to be okay. I'd think otherwise if it was snowing for some reason in the "Sacrifice Chloe" ending, but it isn't.

 

[AmethystEnd]

If any of you were into Cryaotic's impressions throughout his Let's Play of the previous episodes, he's streaming this current episode right now. He just started. Hasn't even gotten to do the first jump back in time yet.

http://www.twitch.tv/cryaotic

 

[Soriku]

 

[LiK]

best text

 

[Smiley90]

I disagree with that. The deer in the town are not "Spirit Deer," they're just normal animals demonstrating the fact that the humans got fucked over and nature has taken Arcadia Bay once again.

To me, the fact that the ending fades out with it snowing—which was the first indicator of the disaster—is a pretty clear tell that things are not going to be okay. I'd think otherwise if it was snowing for some reason in the "Sacrifice Chloe" ending, but it isn't.

Really? After the role that doe played throughout the game to aid Max's path, after a dramatic ending they're "just random animals"? I heavily disagree with that.

 

[Famassu]

If any of you were into Cryaotic's impressions throughout his Let's Play of the previous episodes, he's streaming this current episode right now. He just started. Hasn't even gotten to do the first jump back in time yet.

http://www.twitch.tv/cryaotic

Dafuk, Victoria can be awake during that scene?

 

[Kinsei]

Really? After the role that doe played throughout the game to aid Max's path, after a dramatic ending they're "just random animals"? I heavily disagree with that.

That specific doe was Rachel. Why else would it fade away when you find her body in chapter 4? Every other deer was a normal deer.

Dafuk, Victoria can be awake during that scene?

She was in my game.

 

[Zambayoshi]

I disagree with that. The deer in the town are not "Spirit Deer," they're just normal animals demonstrating the fact that the humans got fucked over and nature has taken Arcadia Bay once again.

To me, the fact that the ending fades out with it snowing—which was the first indicator of the disaster—is a pretty clear tell that things are not going to be okay. I'd think otherwise if it was snowing for some reason in the "Sacrifice Chloe" ending, but it isn't.

I watched the sacrifice Chloe ending after the canonical ending and saw a couple of times when I thought it was starting to snow, but turned out to be just blurry seagulls the first time and floating dandelion seeds (or something) the second time (at Chloe's funeral). Don't know if Dontnod was just doing that as a mind-fuck

 

[Smiley90]

That specific doe was Rachel. Why else would it fade away when you find her body in chapter 4? Every other deer was a normal deer.



She was in my game.

I still disagree with that. I mean, people say the butterfly was Rachel's too. And if it's Chloe's it was there before she was even dead.

Anyway, ending means what everyone themselves interpret's it to be. There are soooo many options. I agree that sacrifice Chloe is probably the canon, but I chose otherwise and it still makes sense to me.

 

[Famassu]

Really? After the role that doe played throughout the game to aid Max's path, after a dramatic ending they're "just random animals"? I heavily disagree with that.

It was always a sole doe when it was her spirit animal. In the ending there is a group of three. Makes it seem like it's just a normal doe family who've come to town since there aren't people scaring them away.

 

[LiK]

Ep 5 sure has way more variations than i expected judging from what people experienced here. that's pretty cool.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Really? After the role that doe played throughout the game to aid Max's path, after a dramatic ending they're "just random animals"? I heavily disagree with that.

As Kinsei states, the symbolism of that animal began and ended with Rachel. When the spirit animal finally fades in episode 4, it would be jarring for it to just return out of nowhere with a family in this episode, in this scene.

The snow is too powerful an indicator for me to take that as an argument against it.

Dafuk, Victoria can be awake during that scene?

Not watching the stream, but weird. Victoria was pretty much out of it in my game, too.

Wonder what would cause that...

 

[AmethystEnd]

As Kinsei states, the symbolism of that animal began and ended with Rachel. When the spirit animal finally fades in episode 4, it would be jarring for it to just return out of nowhere with a family in this episode, in this scene.

The snow is too powerful an indicator for me to take that as an argument against it.

Not watching the stream, but weird. Victoria was pretty much out of it in my game, too.

Wonder what would cause that...

Were you able to convince her about Nathan in episode 4?

 

[Grisby]

Nope, you killed em all.
If you're gonna save Chloe over the people, do it with the full knowledge that you genocided a town for her. XD

Shit happens I guess.

Dogs can text in this universe.

 

[Ultimadrago]

rekt

 

[SDBurton]

huh? I saved Alyssa in every ep and she thanked me every time. I love that she saves you at the end and says "we're even"

I was like "the hell we are! You still owe me like 4 but whatever!"

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Were you able to convince her about Nathan in episode 4?

Yeah. From what people have been saying, she's not in the Dark Room at all if you don't manage to convince her. There were two scenes in the DR where Victoria appeared: the first where she's on the floor right next to Max, and another where she's on the couch across from her. Maybe I didn't prompt her enough or something, but she only muttered when I tried to communicate with her.

 

[TimeEffect]

Is there an ending that addresses the nose bleeds?

 

[AmethystEnd]

Yeah. From what people have been saying, she's not in the Dark Room at all if you don't manage to convince her. There were two scenes in the DR where Victoria appeared: the first where she's on the floor right next to Max, and another where she's on the couch across from her. Maybe I didn't prompt her enough or something, but she only muttered when I tried to communicate with her.

Interesting. Now I really am curious what determines whether she can speak in that early scene then.

 

[Soriku]

There was one text from Jefferson during the backwards school part where he was like "How hard is to turn in a fucking selfie?" (also it was written backwards like everything else). Made me lol.

Actually I wonder how much some people missed by not opening the journal and checking them out at specific times.

Ep 5 sure has way more variations than i expected judging from what people experienced here. that's pretty cool.

Someone on Reddit mentioned there's a variation where David doesn't get a scar when he fights Jefferson (also it was at 0%).

Btw Victoria appeared in my game. Just be nice to her throughout and warn her about Nathan. She believes you but goes to Jefferson for help...which ends with her getting kidnapped.

Edit: I didn't get her on the couch though. Just on the floor.

 

[Smiley90]

As Kinsei states, the symbolism of that animal began and ended with Rachel. When the spirit animal finally fades in episode 4, it would be jarring for it to just return out of nowhere with a family in this episode, in this scene.

The snow is too powerful an indicator for me to take that as an argument against it.



Not watching the stream, but weird. Victoria was pretty much out of it in my game, too.

Wonder what would cause that...

Why can't it be Rachel's spirit being united with Warren's and Joyce's as the 3 dead people closest to Max and Chloe?

Just saying, if they wanted to get rid of the symbolism they shouldnt/wouldnt have picked doe.

Could also be that Rachel gave the powers to Max to save Chloe and find her body/bring it to light. Just saying.


Funny about Victoria - she's on the floor the first time I'm in the dark room but not there the second time.

 

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Btw Victoria appeared in my game. Just be nice to her throughout and warn her about Nathan. She believes you but goes to Jefferson for help...which ends with her getting kidnapped.

Edit: I didn't get her on the couch though. Just on the floor.

Was she talking?

 

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Was she talking?

I was able to talk to her on the floor, yes.