Looper (dir. Rian Johnson; Gordon-Levitt, Willis)
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He must have been high as a kite while giving advice then.
Agreed. I expected far more with almost universal praise.
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Saw this movie last night, it was good, but not as great as I was hoping. For one, JGL looked silly as fuck. The people I watched it with kept pointing this out. The makeup was awful. It was really distracting. I did have a couple of questions:
-Maybe I missed something but when Bruce Willis first goes to the past, and then sees JGL behind the car and says something to the effect of "You dumbass" and then sees JGL on top of the fire escape before he falls, doesn't he drag his body away? Does he just put him somewhere for safe keeping? For a second this had me thinking there were 3 Joes all in the same time frame and left me a little confused.
-Does JGL end up going to Shanghai instead of France because of what Jeff Daniels told him?
On the bright side, Piper Perabo's ass was phenomenal.
-Maybe I missed something but when Bruce Willis first goes to the past, and then sees JGL behind the car and says something to the effect of "You dumbass" and then sees JGL on top of the fire escape before he falls, doesn't he drag his body away? Does he just put him somewhere for safe keeping? For a second this had me thinking there were 3 Joes all in the same time frame and left me a little confused.
-Does JGL end up going to Shanghai instead of France because of what Jeff Daniels told him?
On the bright side, Piper Perabo's ass was phenomenal.
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I was suspecting this, or at least they would have done some kind of reveal with Kid Blue that might either show that he was either Jeff Daniels' younger self, or some relative of Jeff Daniels. It would have made sense for this character because Jeff Daniels gave him such a hard time throughout the movie.
Paul Dano was really good in this, even though he had a minor role.
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There did seem to be hints of relationships between those two character pairs, especially Kid Blue and Abe. The comment Kid Blue made about just wanting to please Abe seemed to be very blatantly implying something.
I saw this movie yesterday and loved it. A lot does change when young Joe gets to the farm, which comes as a bit of a letdown, but I thought it paid off at the end very nicely. Even though the change in young Joe's attitude shifts dramatically, I think the whole movie sets up his capability to change well enough that it works.
I also thought the kid was fantastic, the makeup was fine, and JGL did a splendid job. Nearly everything else is at least serviceable, and overall I was impressed.
Jeff Daniels and Paul Dano both pretty well nailed their characters. I was less impressed by Emily Blunt and Noah Segan, but everyone did well enough.
I was certain Kid Blue
was going to be the rainmaker
this is not true at all.
Eppy Thatcher
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Did anyone else have in your head a very clear picture of what the rainmaker must have been like in the un-changed future? mid-20s or early 30s... standard jacket and pants... knock on the front door of Gangster hideout/looper squat #1... door window slides open..
"Whattya want??"
insert silent scream and front of the building ripping apart.
My mind seriously ran away with this film in a good way .. not a pick apart way.
I have to say tho ... seeing many posts in this thread reminds me of watching this movie with my wife and having to pause the movie every 15 fucking minutes and explain something because it seems like half the audience for this film was playing facebook staring down at your phones instead of watching the movie.
could go on and on and on ... The missus actually got pretty pissed at me cause she was asking questions looking for clarification and I was sitting there explaining stuff in kind of an assholish manner because oh yah.. i'm trying to watch a fucking movie here. This feels like one of those movies that people go out of their way to overcomplicate and then complain about when a lot of the little things people are hanging up on seem ... to me... to be spelled out rather plainly in the fiction of the movie itself.
And yes...
Pretty intense.
"Whattya want??"
insert silent scream and front of the building ripping apart.
My mind seriously ran away with this film in a good way .. not a pick apart way.
I have to say tho ... seeing many posts in this thread reminds me of watching this movie with my wife and having to pause the movie every 15 fucking minutes and explain something because it seems like half the audience for this film was playing facebook staring down at your phones instead of watching the movie.
-People not sure what was happening to old Seth as it happens RIGHT AFTER Young joe gives him up. Wtf.. they are obviously torturing/maiming him...
-Multiple timeline questions ... seemed obvious to me that they were showing you what Old Joes timeline went like the FIRST time through... the life he led to lead him back to try and find and kill the rainmaker. Not a third timeline or some such nonsense.
-Of fucking COURSE they can kill people in the future. It's just hard to do and not get caught. That's exactly what he fucking says IN THE MOVIE. Yes his wife was accidentally caught. No they don't have him tied up and shit because this is their contract. They agree to this shit and just as hardcore as the mob can be for letting your loop run i'm sure they are equally brutal about not being willing to close your contract properly.
-Hate on TK all you want... but they quite clearly outlined it's extent for use in their current
society... pretty straightforward and it ends up being a major fuckin piece of the pie.
-Multiple timeline questions ... seemed obvious to me that they were showing you what Old Joes timeline went like the FIRST time through... the life he led to lead him back to try and find and kill the rainmaker. Not a third timeline or some such nonsense.
-Of fucking COURSE they can kill people in the future. It's just hard to do and not get caught. That's exactly what he fucking says IN THE MOVIE. Yes his wife was accidentally caught. No they don't have him tied up and shit because this is their contract. They agree to this shit and just as hardcore as the mob can be for letting your loop run i'm sure they are equally brutal about not being willing to close your contract properly.
-Hate on TK all you want... but they quite clearly outlined it's extent for use in their current
society... pretty straightforward and it ends up being a major fuckin piece of the pie.
could go on and on and on ... The missus actually got pretty pissed at me cause she was asking questions looking for clarification and I was sitting there explaining stuff in kind of an assholish manner because oh yah.. i'm trying to watch a fucking movie here. This feels like one of those movies that people go out of their way to overcomplicate and then complain about when a lot of the little things people are hanging up on seem ... to me... to be spelled out rather plainly in the fiction of the movie itself.
And yes...
the surgical mutilation shit was ... hard to watch. Honestly can't think of many other films that shown that shit to this extent.
Just watched this.
Really enjoyed the first 2/3rds of the movie, absolutely hated the last. Or whenever they got to the farm I guess.
The TK thing was totally unnecessary. Lots of plot holes and stupid time travel shit.
Also I like how in the future it's hard to get rid of a body or kill someone so let's kidnap Bruce Willis and send him back in time. Oh damn his wife watering the flowers outside startled me, better shoot this bitch then burn down the house. Why wouldn't you just kill Bruce Willis and leave his body there with her?
Really enjoyed the first 2/3rds of the movie, absolutely hated the last. Or whenever they got to the farm I guess.
The TK thing was totally unnecessary. Lots of plot holes and stupid time travel shit.
Also I like how in the future it's hard to get rid of a body or kill someone so let's kidnap Bruce Willis and send him back in time. Oh damn his wife watering the flowers outside startled me, better shoot this bitch then burn down the house. Why wouldn't you just kill Bruce Willis and leave his body there with her?
shadowsdarknes
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Agreed on every point you made. I don't understand the plot hole argument one bit.
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That part where you see Beatrix's name tag for like 10 seconds ruined the movie for me. Almost as bad as "no more dead cops." What a shame, I really wanted to like this movie. I'm smarter than average so I don't need the movie to bash me over the head with the explanation, I wish they made movies with smart people like me in mind.
Yeah. This... was sort of boring honestly.
And I really hated the TK stuff. I knew the moment they introduced it in the beginning it was going to come into play later, but all that stuff with the kid was so corny. The movie's already asking a lot of you in terms of suspension of disbelief (time-travel, loop closing, etc.), it figures "why the hell not"? But it goes too far. There were other ways of showing the kid could grow up to be a threat, that didn't require the film almost switching genres into Creepy Horror Movie Child territory. Coupled with the family drama subplot, it's just too much and too many directions.
The tone change and pacing standstill this movie goes through in its second half really kills it for me.
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lol yep
The wife's body thing has kinda become my personal test one for whether someone really even gave this movie a chance. Because if you were watching the movie even slightly open to liking it, you'd make the massively obvious and true connection that killing the wife was an accident, that agent would be in huge trouble for it, and it was a fucked up situation. And you'd understand why the basic premise of the film, that the time travel allows the kills to be untraceable, applies there because leaving one less body at the scene of a clusterfuck would obviously be preferable
Anyone who comes out of the movie saying "lol huhuh but the wife wtf" wasn't really willing to give the film a chance in the first place. That's not a plot hole.
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I just watched this movie and I have to say, if you wanted Bruce Willis to kill the kid you're the reason we have shootings like the one in Newton.
People who walk out of the movie working out the complexities of time travel and seriously consider the morality of whether or not you should kill a kid who you know will grow up to be the "next Hitler" are totally missing the point. The Time Travel plot is bullshit. Psychic powers are bullshit. But kids with uncontrollable tempers due to mental issues ARE a real issue, and many Americans believe the best way to handle these kids are to, short of killing them, locking them up for life because of future crimes they may/may not commit. And that's wrong, because it's that attitude which leads to horrible travesties.
Maybe this subtext stands out to me more after the Connecticut shooting, but I definitely think that was a central take-home message.
People who walk out of the movie working out the complexities of time travel and seriously consider the morality of whether or not you should kill a kid who you know will grow up to be the "next Hitler" are totally missing the point. The Time Travel plot is bullshit. Psychic powers are bullshit. But kids with uncontrollable tempers due to mental issues ARE a real issue, and many Americans believe the best way to handle these kids are to, short of killing them, locking them up for life because of future crimes they may/may not commit. And that's wrong, because it's that attitude which leads to horrible travesties.
Maybe this subtext stands out to me more after the Connecticut shooting, but I definitely think that was a central take-home message.
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Dude, the plot really falls apart the more you think things through, just accept it.
greendomo's ghost
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I really wanted to like this film, but ultimately was disappointed. One Macguffin too many, and there wasn't nearly enough Young Joe / Old Joe interactions. 12 Monkeys is still the superior time travel Willis film.
NathanMcMahon
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Fucking loved this movie. Outstanding in every way,
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If you actually took the time to read through my post, I even pointed out the Time Travel and Psychic Powers stuff was all bullshit and didn't matter.
What I'm saying IS important is that, following the Connecticut shooting, there were people literally calling for kids with mental health issues, like Adam Lanza, to be locked up because they would obviously shoot up a school. And if you're cheering on Bruce Willis to kill a kid with obvious mental issues, you're literally feeding into that same paranoia. Sure, it's a movie, I understand that, but the fact there's people in real life who, if time travel was available, would go back in time and shoot 10-year old Adam Lanza is disgusting. Time Travel would LITERALLY provide a way to actively work to deter a person from crime, yet the first use most people would choose is to use it for murder.
lol wut
I think you're reading a little too much into this.
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Was responding to the dude above you but then you posted, sorry bro.
but it really doesn't. the "plot holes" people keep bringing up are not plot holes in that they're either misreadings on that person's part (the wife dying) or simply elements of how time travel, a fictional device that is impossible that can work however the hell a writer wants it to work, just happens to work in this film.
also required reading: film crit hulk: plot holes and movie logic
Rafa=FedKilla
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Same with her boobies.
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Really? Your defense of the film is as solid as the movie's internal logic.
And why would you ask anyone to suffer through paragraph after paragraph of all caps?
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Instead of saying "dude", why not, you know, actively engage what I posted? Show me where I was wrong. Point out the flaws in my dissertation of what I got out of the film.
Bruce Willis in the movie's whole mission is to kill MULTIPLE children because he knows that one of them will become a bad guy (and really, we only hear about his horrible acts from Old Seth and Old Bruce, who are basically villains themselves who kill for a living), and he even acknowledges the fact that the past can be changed, thus changing the future. Yet he still decides the best method is to kill the kids, even though the time travel technology actively provides a way to deter criminals. People who think Bruce is a noble character I feel are why I feel the American Criminal System focuses on punishment over deterrence. And it's not just this movie, of course, that makes me think that, but seeing people cheer on Bruce just bothers me.
Bruce Willis in the movie's whole mission is to kill MULTIPLE children because he knows that one of them will become a bad guy (and really, we only hear about his horrible acts from Old Seth and Old Bruce, who are basically villains themselves who kill for a living), and he even acknowledges the fact that the past can be changed, thus changing the future. Yet he still decides the best method is to kill the kids, even though the time travel technology actively provides a way to deter criminals. People who think Bruce is a noble character I feel are why I feel the American Criminal System focuses on punishment over deterrence. And it's not just this movie, of course, that makes me think that, but seeing people cheer on Bruce just bothers me.
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I'm pretty sure the reason the director cast Bruce Willis in this, and barely showed the woman/child sub-plot in the trailers, because he was purposefully misleading people into thinking this was going to be a Bruce Willis/JGL action-film team up.
And reading through this thread, he succeeded, for better or worse.
Harry Potter
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The scene with young Joe shooting at old Joe in the diner with the other cronies really annoyed me.
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One thing I noticed is that everyone seemed to disappear from the diner when that occurred.
Like, before, when they're talking, you see other people in the background. But then they're gone. Come to think of it, I don't recall anyone reacting to Old Joe suddenly yelling either.
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Ya I noticed that too. At first I thought some weird time shift thing was happening. Really threw me off.
Other people were still in the diner when old Joe yelled tho. You could see them in the foreground. They just didn't react.
petethepanda
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Enjoyed this a lot more the second time. I hadn't seen trailers when I saw it the first time, but I was still a little disappointed by the turn the movie takes. Knowing it going into the second time made for a better experience (though I still enjoyed it the first time as well).
Just watched the film.
Good flick but ...eh. 2nd half was a little bit of a downer. Literally felt like 2 different movies when it got to the farm. One was a psychological time-travel thriller while the other was a slow-prodding horror film, replete with precocious all-powerful child.
And regarding time travel,how did Rainmaker become Rainmaker in Old Joe's timeline if he closed the loop when he was younger and therefore never went to kill the kid's mom? I guess she dies some other way, but the same can still be said after the end of the movie. For all we know some homeless dude kills her because he saw all her gold, thus making Joe's sacrifice all for nothing.
Good flick but ...eh. 2nd half was a little bit of a downer. Literally felt like 2 different movies when it got to the farm. One was a psychological time-travel thriller while the other was a slow-prodding horror film, replete with precocious all-powerful child.
And regarding time travel,how did Rainmaker become Rainmaker in Old Joe's timeline if he closed the loop when he was younger and therefore never went to kill the kid's mom? I guess she dies some other way, but the same can still be said after the end of the movie. For all we know some homeless dude kills her because he saw all her gold, thus making Joe's sacrifice all for nothing.
Bobby Roberts
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We're supposed to assume they got cleared out of there by the gat-men. It's what tipped Willis off - the fact suddenly his diner was completely empty.
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