ViewtifulJC
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When they kill them, they get those big fat gold bars. And I guess they don't just give you that money up front until the job is clear and the loop is closed.
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Looper (dir. Rian Johnson; Gordon-Levitt, Willis)
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Why send a guy to himself to be killed. So many things could go wrong. Send it to one of the other Loopers?
then they might steal the gold and you'll be employed forever. you're supposed to quit after you kill yourself and spend the next 30 years off. i think it's supposed to be a safety precaution? not really many good ways to pass data back and forth when there's no way to get that data back into the future
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Great article by my good friend Germain over in /Film: Ten Mysteries in ‘Looper’ Explained by Director Rian Johnson
Man, what is with you socially-awkward mothafuckas always being so frighten about going to the movies alone? You're sitting in a dark room for two hours not saying anything with a bunch of strangers. Nobody's gonna point at laugh at you when you walk outside without somebody standing next to you.
It's just such a bizarre thing to worry about.
Tell me about it. I always go to Friday afternoon shows alone. The only reason I avoid the Evening shows is to avoid all the obnoxious kids and parents who can't be assed to get a babysitter.
Going to see a movie on the big screen in peace without all the usual complaints of theater crowds is fantastic. The fact that it is also cheaper is just a bonus. You also do not get your asshole friends who require the 3D version of movies when there is the option (I loathe 3D)
It's actually pretty cool when you think about the movie and the story. From the time travel stuff to the TK stuff.If you even sit down to think about this movie for 5 minutes, the entire premise completely falls apart. Much like Prometheus. The difference is what actually happens during the movie is cool, fun, and entertaining. Unlike Prometheus.
what was about the premise that falls apart?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Great article by my good friend Germain over in /Film: Ten Mysteries in Looper Explained by Director Rian Johnson
Thats the Terminator question. If its important to you to really justify that beyond It makes sense in a story type way, youll have to get into multiple time lines
Rian Johnson doesn't understand The Terminator confirmed.
Rian Johnson doesn't understand The Terminator confirmed.
Sorry if I come off equally dumb (I haven't seen Terminator) but isn't the dude in your avatar John's father? How does John send his father back in time to protect his mother/his eventual birth in that first instance of time? Better way of putting it, how does that first John exist?
what was about the premise that falls apart?
General premise problems:
Why send dudes back in time to be murdered by someone else? Why not zap them into a volcano or to the bottom of the ocean? Or into the burning furnace as someone earlier suggested?
Organized crime has access to time travel and the best thing they can think to do is dump off bodies? Wouldn't it be smarter to use it for near unlimited financial gain with stock markets, lotteries, etc? How is the history of the world not a complete mess that's being constantly rewritten? You have insane time-rewriting power in the hands of the world's least trustworthy people.
General plot problems:
If killing someone's younger counterpart makes their future self disappear, why the elaborate scenario to lure in OldSeth? Why not just kill YoungSeth and eliminate OldSeth? Same deal with Joe -- it at least looked like they want to take him alive at the diner, even though just killing him would eliminate 2 birds with one stone.
The implication that OldJoe killing Cid's mom turned him into the Rainmaker is also very problematic, though I tended just to view that as a possibility that YoungJoe envisioned, rather than something that somehow happened in OldJoe's original timeline.
I liked it and all, but there's probably a good dozen issues that have already been raised by others in the past few pages of the thread.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Sorry if I come off equally dumb (I haven't seen Terminator) but isn't the dude in your avatar John's father? How does John send his father back in time to protect his mother/his eventual birth in that first instance of time? Better way of putting it, how does that first John exist?
Because it's one continuous cycle of events that are all predetermined. There is no branching or multiple timelines. There is no starting or ending point. That is what you accept when you're writing a cyclical timeline/pre-determination story.
I loved Looper, but its time travel logic is probably more lax than BttF's. I mean, I'm willing to accept the real-time effects of dismemberment on one's old self as it happens in real-time to their younger self if only because it sounds and looks cool as shit. But if we're talking about the logistics of time travel effects (LOLOLOL!), then he would just disappear and the world which he had previously interacted with and affected would also change.
General premise problems:
Why send dudes back in time to be murdered by someone else? Why not zap them into a volcano or to the bottom of the ocean? Or into the burning furnace as someone earlier suggested?
Organized crime has access to time travel and the best thing they can think to do is dump off bodies? Wouldn't it be smarter to use it for near unlimited financial gain with stock markets, lotteries, etc? How is the history of the world not a complete mess that's being constantly rewritten? You have insane time-rewriting power in the hands of the world's least trustworthy people.
General plot problems:
If killing someone's younger counterpart makes their future self disappear, why the elaborate scenario to lure in OldSeth? Why not just kill YoungSeth and eliminate OldSeth? Same deal with Joe -- it at least looked like they want to take him alive at the diner, even though just killing him would eliminate 2 birds with one stone.
I liked it and all, but there's probably a good dozen issues that have already been raised by others in the past few pages of the thread.
Time travel itself is flawed at the very core in films regardless. The Earth is constantly moving. Figuring out where those designated drop points are on the planet 30 years in the past is an insane request. It's the same thing that breaks Back to the Future, poor Marty would have left 86 and arrived in space. Or was it 85? You get the idea.
District 9 starts off as a pretty interesting apartheid methaphor, then suddenly becomes Croenberg-lite body horror drama, then devolves into big stupid sci-fi action movie for some reason.
And having just finished rewatching it, I can reconfirm that its awesome across all three of your sectors.
Cannot wait for Elysium.
Because it's one continuous cycle of events that are all predetermined. There is no branching or multiple timelines. There is no starting or ending point. That is what you accept when you're writing a cyclical timeline/pre-determination story.
I loved Looper, but its time travel logic is probably more lax than BttF's. I mean, I'm willing to accept the real-time effects of dismemberment on one's old self as it happens in real-time to their younger self if only because it sounds and looks cool as shit. But if we're talking about the logistics of time travel effects (LOLOLOL!), then he would just disappear and the world which he had previously interacted with and affected would also change.
Wouldn't the machines realize at some point if they don't send the Terminator, John won't exist? It's not like they're already abiding by set rules, they're trying to change events already.
Time travel itself is flawed at the very core in films regardless.
Time travel (outside of Back to the Future) assumes that you teleport as well, but I don't see that as a flaw. It's not hard to imagine a time machine that can teleport you to a particular place, and a way of predicting the earth's position at the particular moment you're sending someone back to.
The problems in Looper are pretty specific to the world they've created - just logical issues that don't make much sense to me.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Wouldn't the machines realize at some point if they don't send the Terminator, John won't exist? It's not like they're already abiding by set rules, they're trying to change events already.
LOL no. Just watch the movie. Were I a mod, I would ban you for not having seen it already. That's probably why it's a good thing I'm not a mod.
That's about how I felt. Probably expected too much from this.Well, that was pretty good, I guess.
*shrugs*
Man, what is with you socially-awkward mothafuckas always being so frighten about going to the movies alone? You're sitting in a dark room for two hours not saying anything with a bunch of strangers. Nobody's gonna point at laugh at you when you walk outside without somebody standing next to you.
It's just such a bizarre thing to worry about.
This too. The last thread we had on this subject was so bizarre with everyone being concerned what some random ass stranger might be thinking about them. FYI friends, nobody cares that you're alone.
Afro Gunsou
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Saw it yesterday and totally forgot to post here about it due to the fiasco going on in Gaming.
Absolutely adored it. Script was awesome and the acting was spot-on. JGl, Willis, Blunt, Daniels and the kid were all great!
One of my favorite movies of the year, for sure. Up there with The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus.
Absolutely adored it. Script was awesome and the acting was spot-on. JGl, Willis, Blunt, Daniels and the kid were all great!
One of my favorite movies of the year, for sure. Up there with The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus.
What an awesome movie. I absolutely loved it. It may have had some typical time travel problems, but it handled most of the issues pretty well. The acting from JGL was insanely well done. He even copied a lot of Bruce Willis' mannerisms.
I also had no idea that the plot was going to go where they took it. I kind of expected a completely different movie.
I also had no idea that the plot was going to go where they took it. I kind of expected a completely different movie.
Zoramon089
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Time travel itself is flawed at the very core in films regardless. The Earth is constantly moving. Figuring out where those designated drop points are on the planet 30 years in the past is an insane request. It's the same thing that breaks Back to the Future, poor Marty would have left 86 and arrived in space. Or was it 85? You get the idea.
It's not a flawed premise because that's a dumb reason. You think they're somehow able to figure out the logistics of how to TRAVEL BACKWARDS THROUGH TIME yet NO ONE is realizes that you also need to travel through space?! I don't understand why this point is always brought up. Obviously they adjust for that
did anybody else wantbruce willis to kill that little jean grey demon spawn?
I was fully expecting it to end that way. I actually like the ending they went with better
did anybody else wantbruce willis to kill that little jean grey demon spawn?
I was hoping they might show us multiple endings. Glimpse into the future of each, or something. I guess we 'know' how the one ending goes, but I thought there could have been even more than 2.
Saw it yesterday and totally forgot to post here about it due to the fiasco going on in Gaming.
What was the fiasco going on in Gaming? It seems like I've noticed a lot of familiar names going grey today.
What was the fiasco going on in Gaming? It seems like I've noticed a lot of familiar names going grey today.
Maybe referring to the WoW: Mists of Pandaria sales thread. Haven't looked at it today, but it was ugly yesterday.
Inferno313
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Finally saw it, LOVED this movie. While The Master may be a "better" film, this is easily my favorite film of the year. I just loved the hell out of it.
The audience reactions during
was fantastic. The whole theater gasped and I heard more than one "holy shit"s and "oh my god"s.
The audience reactions during
Cid blowing up Jesse
Maybe referring to the WoW: Mists of Pandaria sales thread. Haven't looked at it today, but it was ugly yesterday.
What happened there? I read a few pages of the thread, but it didn't seem to be anything that controversial.
Blown away by looper, i seriously did not expect this flick to be this good.
we all did ^_o
I just wanted
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from the 10 mysteries article:
did anybody else wantbruce willis to kill that little jean grey demon spawn?
we all did ^_o
I just wanted
old joe to have his happy ending, he came so far damnit!
Just watched it, pretty good fun. Only thing I wondered isWhy send a guy to himself to be killed. So many things could go wrong. Send it to one of the other Loopers?
from the 10 mysteries article:
“People in the future, all they know about time travel is to be afraid of it. So they’re trying to keep it as tight as possible. So the initial reason they set it up this way was to keep the causality loop as tight as possible,” Johnson said. Because, for example, if someone else kills your older self and you have to exist with your own murderer for 30 years, what’s stopping you for murdering them or doing something to screw everything else up? ”Every bit of evidence is gone from that loop when you kill yourself,” he said.
Finally saw it, LOVED this movie. While The Master may be a "better" film, this is easily my favorite film of the year. I just loved the hell out of it.
The audience reactions duringwas fantastic. The whole theater gasped and I heard more than one "holy shit"s and "oh my god"s.Cid blowing up Jesse
Yeah that part really blew me away. I didn't see it coming at all until
Sara went to grab Joe instead of her son
Side note: I'm kind of a big baby with movies, but was anybody else
choked up during the end when Young Joe was explaining the whole circle he see's, and then "fixing" it by killing himself. Such a powerful moment in the movie, it was just filmed so well.
did anybody else wantbruce willis to kill that little jean grey demon spawn?
I prefer downer endings in sci fi movies, so yes.
If killing someone's younger counterpart makes their future self disappear, why the elaborate scenario to lure in OldSeth? Why not just kill YoungSeth and eliminate OldSeth? Same deal with Joe -- it at least looked like they want to take him alive at the diner, even though just killing him would eliminate 2 birds with one stone.
When Joe is talking to Abe in the office he asks if they will kill Seth if he gives him up. Abe says they won't because it would cause too much of a problem in the future. So it seems like they try to avoid paradoxes and timeline shifts as much as possible.
I was hoping they might show us multiple endings. Glimpse into the future of each, or something. I guess we 'know' how the one ending goes, but I thought there could have been even more than 2.
I would have loved to see that too. As it is now, I feel that ending feels unfair. I don't like
that brat and I don't see how he'd grow conscience. And even if he does, I don't see how he won't turn into a mess after realizing what he's done and become psychotic in the end
I would have loved to see that too. As it is now, I feel that ending feels unfair. I don't like. The power of love my ass.that brat and I don't see how he'd grow conscience. And even if he does, I don't see how he won't turn into a mess after realizing what he's done and become psychotic in the end
Then why not imagine that nothing changed in the future. You can have your dark ending.
When Joe is talking to Abe in the office he asks if they will kill Seth if he gives him up. Abe says they won't because it would cause too much of a problem in the future. So it seems like they try to avoid paradoxes and timeline shifts as much as possible.
As if butchering Seth on a backroom operating table isn't going to create a paradox or timeline shift? Fingerless, footless YoungSeth would have led a very different life than the OldSeth that was in the past.
It's not a flawed premise because that's a dumb reason. You think they're somehow able to figure out the logistics of how to TRAVEL BACKWARDS THROUGH TIME yet NO ONE is realizes that you also need to travel through space?! I don't understand why this point is always brought up. Obviously they adjust for that
I know it sounds crazy but the actual traveling through time to me is more plausible than figuring out the exact position to teleport someone in the past or future. *shrug*
As if butchering Seth on a backroom operating table isn't going to create a paradox or timeline shift? Fingerless, footless YoungSeth would have led a very different life than the OldSeth that was in the past.
That was my biggest problem with the film.
Zoramon089
Banned
I know it sounds crazy but the actual traveling through time to me is more plausible than figuring out the exact position to teleport someone in the past or future. *shrug*
That was my biggest problem with the film.
I mean, when they send robots to Mars they have to predict where the landing spot will be at some time months in the future...so it's not entirely impossible especially considering this move takes place in the future
TheChewyWaffles
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Wow. Just...wow.
Just got back from a showing. Being a parent it was a tough ride...but, oh man - this is the kind of movie that makes me glad to be a parent and wish that I was a screenwriter all at once. Right up there with Avengers (for different reasons) as the most entertaining movie I've seen all year.
For the record, I think this film took a wild crap all over the TDKR and Prometheus.
Just got back from a showing. Being a parent it was a tough ride...but, oh man - this is the kind of movie that makes me glad to be a parent and wish that I was a screenwriter all at once. Right up there with Avengers (for different reasons) as the most entertaining movie I've seen all year.
For the record, I think this film took a wild crap all over the TDKR and Prometheus.
Panipal2009
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So how come
Young Joe's suicide fixed Sarah's fatal gunshot wound but not Cid's jaw?
killertofu
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Number four is a bulllshit answer.
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