Lord of the Rings really short edition
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Hitokage said:
Don't even try to justify this with logic...they won't understand.
Sauron: "Oh look, it's Gandalf! Riding an Eagle! Why, he must be coming over for tea and crumpets! Be sure to allow him safe passage and not send the Nazgul after him to cut him out of the sky and eat off his limbs"
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"weare"? For fuck's sake.
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teiresias said:
I belive it had something do witht eh Eagles refusing to get involved at the time. So they wouldnt have done it.
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actually they had a better chance using bird than going in on foot. :lol
No excuse, those eagles could've relayed all the way to the OTHER side of Mordor, flew over the mountains and dropped it there. And they picked up the hobbits in the end so they could've gotten there before. Damned eagles always wanting to be isolationist until the end when most of the work is done and they can swoop in for some of the glory while all the other sides take heavy losses...
Wow Tolkien dissed America
Wow Tolkien dissed America
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he can survive if the ring still exists anywhere.
Thats why they couldnt throw it into an ocean or something. over teh years when he lost the ring he learned to build up his power again without a body, or the ring.
Thats why they couldnt throw it into an ocean or something. over teh years when he lost the ring he learned to build up his power again without a body, or the ring.
Awesome Gif. The hobbit 'woah' rocks.
He only mentions something to the effect that if a person 'of power' went into Mordor, they'd stick out like a sore thumb. The eagles only served the wizards.....and if a wizard went into Mordor = Instant Sauron Ownage upon said wizard. He only gets away with it in the ROTK cuz...er...Saurons like, dead.
Edit: I type too slow.
teiresias said:
He only mentions something to the effect that if a person 'of power' went into Mordor, they'd stick out like a sore thumb. The eagles only served the wizards.....and if a wizard went into Mordor = Instant Sauron Ownage upon said wizard. He only gets away with it in the ROTK cuz...er...Saurons like, dead.
Edit: I type too slow.
Okay, any giant flying lizard is a "dragon" as far as I'm concerned. But just to put it so that the nitpickers don't go crazy....the eagles would have gotten trounced by a horde of those giant flying lizard things that the Nazgul and Witch King ride around on (and arrows and stuff).Scrow said:
Faceoff at the gates of Mordor was neutral territory, flying right into their airspace would not have been possible
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It was just that the eagles refused to get involved. I dont recal the books ever going into if the eagles woudl be sucessful just based on getting through mordor.
In the books they talked about quite a few different options. Hiding the ring again in various locations. Using Tom Bombadil since he's immune to the rings effect. He like the eagles didnt want to get involved, though in tom's case it was just that he didnt care either way,
In the books they talked about quite a few different options. Hiding the ring again in various locations. Using Tom Bombadil since he's immune to the rings effect. He like the eagles didnt want to get involved, though in tom's case it was just that he didnt care either way,
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destroying the ring never even occured to sauron. He knew that the ring would corrupt the ring bearer and no one would be able to throw it into Mount doom. It's assumed that no one is able to destroy the ring. In the movie, it was only fight between frodo and gollum that the ring was unintentionally destroyed. In the book, there is no fight, Gollum just trips and falls in after getting ring back from frodo, again unintentionally destroying the ring.
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fugimax said:
It's secret.
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no, shelob guarded the pass into mordor, not up to mt. doom. And she did in the movie as well.
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What I want to know is: In the beginning after Isildur killed Sauron when he refused to throw the ring in thus destroying it with Elrond yelling at him to, why he just let him go and not try to grab it and throw it in himself, especially knowing what kind of consequences leaving it intact could cause.
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:lol :lol that was brilliant
The problem with the Eagle Strategy is that the eagles WILL be seen.....basically it's a complete gamble, and you have to hope that the eagle carrying the ring doesn't get shot down or knocked out by a Fell Beast. If that happens, then all is lost. Kind of like a huge base-mob in Halo 2 Assault.
Of course, I guess it isn't much crazier than sending in two Hobbits to destroy the ring.....though obviously that wasn't the original plan.
Of course, I guess it isn't much crazier than sending in two Hobbits to destroy the ring.....though obviously that wasn't the original plan.
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Synbios459 said:
'Cause the ring would have corrupted Elrond and he would have also refused to throw it in. I don't think it's ever stated in the books, definitely not in the movies, but it's implied that the more powerful you are, an elf or a wizard say, the more corrupting the ring is, which is why it takes a hobbit to carry it all the way to Mordor.
Mr Gump said:
Sauron has control of the ring, so I guess he controls the effect. The power of the ring is only in enhancing Sauron's own powers, letting him own all those people right at the very beginning. So it wouldn't really be able to help save Gondor, it just seduces people into thinking it will, so they'll take it and be corrputed.
A very important part is being missed here. The Eagles were some of the most vain motherfuckers in Middle Earth. The One Ring would take the average Eagle before it flew a mile. So now we have the Ring in possession of a weak-willed, vain little bitch that can fly.
The Ring would've been back in Sauron's 'hands' before the hobbits made it the Bree.
The Ring would've been back in Sauron's 'hands' before the hobbits made it the Bree.
There is 'power' in the One Ring that we don't see in the books/movie. Think of it like raw energy waiting to be used. Sauron did the same thing his old master Morgoth did, which was to infuse parts of himself into material objects/creatures. So, although the One Ring possessed great power, it was absolutely evil in source and tied to Sauron himself. The greater the being who tries to use it, the worse the amplified corrupting affect would be; hence Gandalf and Elrond refusing to touch the thing. Reference Galadriel's speech to Frodo: "instead of a dark lord you would have a queen, as beautiful and terrible as the sea....", or something like that.
If you've read the Silmarillion, Galadriel's encounter with the ring is actually a high point; she stands true against the temptation of ultimate corruption, and is finally allowed to return home across the sea. Considering she's been exiled in Middle Earth for several thousand years, this is a neat moment.
The whole point with the Hobbits is that these unassuming, little average guys from nowheresville manage to resist the temptation of the ring- for 60+ years, and then carry the thing all the way to Mount Doom before finally succumbing. Any other member of the 'higher' races would have been doomed in short order.
Edit: the ring turned bilbo/gollum/frodo 'invisible' in the sense that it took them into the 'void', a sort of quasi-higher dimension type thing. Sauron didn't turn invisible because, as a demi-god, Sauron exists in both at the same time. At least, that's my take, someone with great knowledge of Tolkien would probably nit pick that to death.
The real truth is that Tolkien wrote the Hobbit first, and later had to explain the invisible thing, so he made it up.
Gah. Nerd points rising, abandon ship.
If you've read the Silmarillion, Galadriel's encounter with the ring is actually a high point; she stands true against the temptation of ultimate corruption, and is finally allowed to return home across the sea. Considering she's been exiled in Middle Earth for several thousand years, this is a neat moment.
The whole point with the Hobbits is that these unassuming, little average guys from nowheresville manage to resist the temptation of the ring- for 60+ years, and then carry the thing all the way to Mount Doom before finally succumbing. Any other member of the 'higher' races would have been doomed in short order.
Edit: the ring turned bilbo/gollum/frodo 'invisible' in the sense that it took them into the 'void', a sort of quasi-higher dimension type thing. Sauron didn't turn invisible because, as a demi-god, Sauron exists in both at the same time. At least, that's my take, someone with great knowledge of Tolkien would probably nit pick that to death.
The real truth is that Tolkien wrote the Hobbit first, and later had to explain the invisible thing, so he made it up.
Gah. Nerd points rising, abandon ship.
Synbios459 said:
Isildur had just defeated Sauron. Elrond was much younger then than he is in the "present" during the movies, and probably a much lower level. By comparison, Isildur must have gained at leat 666 levels as a consequence of all that phat exp. he gained.
Awesome gif, btw.
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I'm pretty certain (though it's been a while since I read it) that Tom Bombadil could wear the ring without turning invisible too, so it's not without precedent.
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