LTTP: Chrono Trigger / So I finally beat Chrono Trigger today
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Mister Wilhelm
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Once every character in the DS version has perfect stats, the tiers actually change quite a bit.
Robo with full magic is actually really, really good. His physical attack loses to most of the cast, though.
Robo with full magic is actually really, really good. His physical attack loses to most of the cast, though.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I agree with all that was stated. I've only been talking about the "best" builds but that doesn't mean they are my favorite. I already said that I don't use the true broken builds because they aren't fun at all. You are a stronger man then I though. I can't ditch Crono when I have him. It's the equivalent of tier whoring in SF but I can't drop him. Of course there is a time when he isDark Schala said:
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My favorite team is actually Crono, Marle, and Lucca. That's not even top 5 on my list but it is a fun time. I like mixing the elements back and forth (you also have all the elemental counters). It is a Crono damage centered team since you are basically alternating dual techs. However, you have a fun triple tech and Marle/Lucca have serious dual techs themselves. Crono does the labor and the girls are collaborative casters. Crono, Marle, Frog would be my second favorite. That's more traditional, not completely broken melee, combined with some cool dual tech mix-ups.
If I want to break the game in half I will bring in Ayla/
Magus
Robo sits on the sidelines though. lol Sorry big guy, you are just too slow to keep up with the mix-ups.
I have a problem with the synergy in that one. Marle/Robo/Frog combinations are kind of silly since you are on a full healing cool down. The speed of Robo also really doesn't line up well with other supporting characters. For that team to really be sharp, Crono/Robo would have to be complimentary. They are actually overwriting characters who don't go very well together. If I want Marle/Robo then I'm going to bring in Frog. That is a pretty cool team. Either that or you go Lucca/Marle/Robo, which is also quite unique.JasonMCG said:
CT has character compliments in the game based on the story (barring
Magus
Crono matches up with the
ancestor
Crono -> Marle = ice sword II, haste battery, final kick
Crono -> Ayla = volt bite, falcon hit, final kick
Frog goes to the
mistaken queen
Lucca goes to the robot as she is an inventor, the polar opposite fire to ice girl from the original trio, and the frog creature she can't stand.
Lucca -> Robo = fire tackle, double bomb, fire zone
Lucca -> Marle = antipode, delta force
Lucca -> Frog = line bomb, frog flare, delta storm
The other matches feel off. I don't agree with Robo + Frog which is mentioned a lot. They over-write one another. Crono + Frog (bros before...royalty) are arguably quite a pair. But they don't line up as well as others. It is kind of like Crono -> Ayla downsized.
I'm not sure if anybody else sees the storyline synergy. I always have.
EDIT:
lol Somehow I picked up Dark Schala's mentioned teams in an explanation. I guess we converge on our party choices at least a bit.
Having long since had a file where everyone was tabbed up, I always found the 'best' group to be Chrono Robo and Lucca. Frog sadly lags HORRIBLY once you do a new game + since his best weapon is hamstrung to being the shitty masamune for most of the game.
Robo with full magic is the best healer in the game, shock is great, with the crisis arm you can usually do extremely powerful single target with uzi punch, etc. Lucca just does beast damage with flare.
Robo with full magic is the best healer in the game, shock is great, with the crisis arm you can usually do extremely powerful single target with uzi punch, etc. Lucca just does beast damage with flare.
Ichabod
Banned
Masamune is pretty boss...not sure why you think that. 15 energy casts are better choices then the uzi punch. Mega bomb, area bomb, frog squash, dino tail... 12 energy for a single tech, single enemy spell is kind of an odd choice. Even Crono's frenzy, which many like I'm sure, is kind of a waste. <15 energy for dual|trip techs/heals, >=15 energy is AoE.TheYanger said:
I agree flare is cool but
dark matter
A lot of variety out there...shows some serious balance.
ROFL this is Awesome xDDark Schala said:
you think robo is slow? lucca and marle are super slow too!
Plus you pick up tons of speed tabs through the game, i give a lot of them to robo. luca at least has the tabin equipment to speed her up. marle isn't worth it since frog is fast.
And I always thought it was kind of boring, but mand is the peaceful days not full of happiness. makes me just happy to listen to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWGVppsHFY
Plus you pick up tons of speed tabs through the game, i give a lot of them to robo. luca at least has the tabin equipment to speed her up. marle isn't worth it since frog is fast.
And I always thought it was kind of boring, but mand is the peaceful days not full of happiness. makes me just happy to listen to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWGVppsHFY
airmangataosenai
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boothisman.gifcorkscrewblow said:
Speed RatingsNatetan said:you think robo is slow? lucca and marle are super slow too!
Plus you pick up tons of speed tabs through the game, i give a lot of them to robo. luca at least has the tabin equipment to speed her up. marle isn't worth it since frog is fast.
And I always thought it was kind of boring, but mand is the peaceful days not full of happiness. makes me just happy to listen to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWGVppsHFY
Crono 12
Marle 8
Lucca 6
Robo 6
Frog 11
Ayla 13
Magus
I think the tied for slowest character in the game is slow... I'm not sure how that is questioned. Marle also has haste which completely nullifies speed arguments and is two points higher to boot. Lucca isn't a great complementary being pretty much the second to worst character...
As stated, all characters are well-balanced and are great to use. But I call them like I see them. All the other characters are just better then the robot. The best way to analyze stats is to look at level 30. I'm not comparing a certain someone since
he starts at level 37
HP - MP - STR - ACC - SPE - MAG - EVA - STA - MDef
541 | 66 | 45 | 16 | 12 | 17 | 19 | 55 | 48 (Cr)
466 | 70 | 10 | 16 | 8 | 34 | 16 | 26 | 57 (Mar)
481 | 70 | 10 | 20 | 6 | 37 | 16 | 29 | 55 (Luc)
605 | 62 | 53 | 19 | 6 | 18 | 15 | 61 | 38 (Rob)
514 | 67 | 42 | 17 | 11 | 21 | 20 | 54 | 50 (Frog)
555 | 62 | 53 | 30 | 13 | 11 | 35 | 58 | 45 (Ayla)
Robo has the best HP but tied for the worst MP with Ayla...yuck. He has high strength but is hampered by such a slow speed. Frog comes out more powerful since he can attack an additional time every batch of turns. His magic power is quite low and Marle is nearly double that (Lucca is). Great stamina but absolutely awful mdef, which is ironically the top attribute you want later in the game...
Robo is Gato 2.0. He is good for getting the crap beat out of him and surviving. His power is nullified by his speed and Lucca beats him out simply for having much better magical ability. The only use you can get out of him is to be a dual tech battery. I'd do this for fun and not efficiency since there are better options almost all-around.
um, so just give robo the speed tabs you find...(somewhat unrelated you can charm a ton of them from those statue enemies in the black omen)
plus i think if you equip the berserker, you attack a lot faster or something. i use both berserkers a lot actually
my fav characters are robo, ayla, and frog (and chrono too fo course)
plus i think if you equip the berserker, you attack a lot faster or something. i use both berserkers a lot actually
my fav characters are robo, ayla, and frog (and chrono too fo course)
Giving speed tabs to a gimped character is kind of odd. You should just give them to the characters who are already better to further improve them. He also has very few redeeming qualities outside being a great punching bag. You also can't control characters under berserk...Natetan said:
Hey, I see a lot of robo fans here. That's cool because I use Lucca in my favorite party and she aint good. But he is a pretty bad character who is only held up by characters around him and giving him items just to bring him up to speed(pun intended). If you really want to give Robo props then you cite the Apocalypse Arm in the DS version which is completely broken. But I shy away from the garbage item additions in the DS version.
Nah, it should be pretty obvious that there will be a ton of builds based on the game balance. That's a good team though as long as you can ignore the overwhelming power of Ayla.mr. puppy said:
gunbo13 said:Nah, it should be pretty obvious that there will be a ton of builds based on the game balance. That's a good team though as long as you can ignore the overwhelming power of Ayla.
So Marle is the worst character right? A ton of single target buff spells and no ultimate damage dealer (20 mp spell) just didn't seem important to me.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Like fanmade Chrono Resurrection? (Which got C&D'd by SE?)Ichabod said:
Anth0ny said:
just use single attacks on the head. don't hit the hands. pretty easy (you can charm prism dress/helm from the hands btw)
anyway, i think the logic of speeding up the faster people is flawed. max speed is only 16 or something. the regular speed for most characters is never really an issue, so i give all the speed tabs to robo luca and marle in that order. you can get every player up to near max speed in a new game by the end. luca and marle still suck tho even when they are fast.
berserker is super useful in this game. great damage, fast initial attack, good defenses. most of the regular battles are mindless button mashing anyway except for some areas with magic only damage. or if a battle has a character that needs to be hit by lightning or fire spell first, well there's only two berserkers anyway, so just have the person you need to cast the spell equip the silver stud and the others equp berserkers.
Ichabod said:WOW! How did I miss this? Schala making with the goods yet againThat's exactly what I want!
Heh, too bad it got canned in 2004. The lead programmer on that actually worked on The Saboteur, I kind of followed them around since I program and found them interesting.
If you're interested in the music that was going to be in the game.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Technically it was going to be 10 short interactive scenes (Crono's House count for two scenes) and with no Robo nor Ayla, rather than a full remake.Ichabod said:WOW! How did I miss this? Schala making with the goods yet again
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I like Chrono a lot, so I like to keep up with what some of the more interesting fan projects are doing. It wasn't really much of a game per se, though, though the "Nintendo 64 version" was to be a full remake. You can read up on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Resurrection and here: http://www.chronocompendium.com/Stories/28Ichabod said:WOW! How did I miss this? Schala making with the goods yet again
Here's a little more, though it's mostly about the music. It does contain some footage of the game, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8rSlTo5lK8&feature=related
And I really like Chrono Resurrection's Zeal mix, even if it omits some of the sitar stuff that made it very memorable and replaced it with an acoustic guitar instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxwzH2vP2I
The next best thing to a Chrono Trigger 2 we'll ever get is the fanmade game Crimson Echoes, though it's in 2D.
Thread here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419077
Part 1 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTpkMB9kNk
Ichabod said:
It was their own fault, really, they made it clear they were doing the remake as an advertisement for their own product (the 3d engine, I guess) and no company would allow their copyrighted images to be used that way.
If they were smart, they'd have kept quiet about their product until AFTER it was released, because then a C n D would've been pointless.
The Outsider
Member
Well, took the plunge and bought the Virtual Console version of the game. Started a game earlier.
Damn this thread.
Damn this thread.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
The 2D fangame Prophet's Guile was pretty good too. It was a very short side story (as long as 3 Chrono Trigger chapters) depicting the part of CT when Magus gets back to Zeal, but from Magus's point of view instead of that of Crono (who is in Prehistory). It was way more polished than Crimson Echoes and had a more consistent script:Dark Schala said:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=354D7BF477B0042C
Finished Chrono Trigger today myself, the first Japanese made RPG I think I've ever finished. And you should definitely consider that when reading these impressions.
First of all, I'll say that it was certainly an interesting experience. Given that I'm not familiar with the genre conventions, it was certainly quite the learning experience. I actually had to PM stump, who initially encouraged me to play it, how to perform some very basic actions. That said, I fairly quickly got the hang of it, and was able to finish it without too many problems popping up.
Starting out, I did not really think too much of the game. While some of the games at the fair were pretty fun, I thought it generally to be a pretty boring experience, walking around slowly on foot, hating respawning enemies. When the game opened up more though, and allowed you to travel to different times at will, it got significantly more interesting. I've always liked things in games that change over time, be it financing the redevelopment of a town in Fable II or stepping into the 1950s in Mafia II. Chrono Trigger of course, very much delivers on this fact, and seeing things change through time was pretty cool, things like
. Even without the development, I thought much of the worlds were pretty cool, especially
The story, on the whole, did not appeal to me very much. I've never really been into the 'save the world' thing all that much
, and the magic and swords fantasy stuff even less, the time travel made up in part for this though. I also thought that, while there were a few instances where you could make decisions, there were not enough choices to be made in the game. I'm assured that for its time, it has quite a lot of choice, but personally, I like there to be as much choice as possible in a game. I want the gaming experience to be my own as much as possible, that way I'm closer to it. It's what distinguishes games from other media more than anything. The characters I thought were fine, they weren't anything special, but none of them annoyed me, certainly something that rarely happens in a WRPG.
At least as important as the story however, is the combat, given that's what you spend far and away most of your time doing. Long story short, I didn't enjoy it very much. While there are some things to like, such as the speed element in it, on the whole it got fairly boring to me as there was just far too much of it, and I did not think it offered the depth that I would expect from a game where you spend that much time engaged in that activity. Another downside of the combat, specifically the amount of it, was that I felt the game moved too slowly. I was often just really hoping the game would finally move on again instead of forcing me into more encounters I wasn't really enjoying.
On the whole, I sort of liked the game on the one hand, but on the other hand, I had to force myself to keep playing at other times. It wasn't until the final part of the game, where
, that I really started enjoying the game, and getting into the game a lot. Perhaps I'm expecting too much out of a sixteen-year-old game, perhaps Japanese RPG's are just not really for me all that much or perhaps both.
First of all, I'll say that it was certainly an interesting experience. Given that I'm not familiar with the genre conventions, it was certainly quite the learning experience. I actually had to PM stump, who initially encouraged me to play it, how to perform some very basic actions. That said, I fairly quickly got the hang of it, and was able to finish it without too many problems popping up.
Starting out, I did not really think too much of the game. While some of the games at the fair were pretty fun, I thought it generally to be a pretty boring experience, walking around slowly on foot, hating respawning enemies. When the game opened up more though, and allowed you to travel to different times at will, it got significantly more interesting. I've always liked things in games that change over time, be it financing the redevelopment of a town in Fable II or stepping into the 1950s in Mafia II. Chrono Trigger of course, very much delivers on this fact, and seeing things change through time was pretty cool, things like
having Robo replant a forest
Zeal, a highly developed society, in 12000BC, with no clues beforehand that it did exist. It was a very pleasant surprise.
The story, on the whole, did not appeal to me very much. I've never really been into the 'save the world' thing all that much
though the world saving itself through manipulating the actions of you and your party is a pretty cool concept
At least as important as the story however, is the combat, given that's what you spend far and away most of your time doing. Long story short, I didn't enjoy it very much. While there are some things to like, such as the speed element in it, on the whole it got fairly boring to me as there was just far too much of it, and I did not think it offered the depth that I would expect from a game where you spend that much time engaged in that activity. Another downside of the combat, specifically the amount of it, was that I felt the game moved too slowly. I was often just really hoping the game would finally move on again instead of forcing me into more encounters I wasn't really enjoying.
On the whole, I sort of liked the game on the one hand, but on the other hand, I had to force myself to keep playing at other times. It wasn't until the final part of the game, where
you can do some sidequests before the final battle with Lavos
The Outsider
Member
Ichabod said:
Haha, I'm not regretting my purchase, I just know it's going to eat my time.
It's been a while since I've played anyway, so it's all good!
SpaceBridge
Member
Quick question guys: Does anyone know if you can control your characters on screen when using the circle pad while playing CT on the 3DS?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
SpaceBridge
Member
Thanks Zerokku.
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