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http://www.easports.com/games/madden2005/nds.jsp?ncc=1

Movie: http://files.ea.com/downloads/sports_videos/madden2005/nds_hi.mov

Lose the Wires — Play Madden NFL 2005 wirelessly against players across the room

Best-Ever Graphics — Featuring the finest 3D graphics available on a handheld unit, including authentic uniforms and detailed player portraits.

Incredibly Deep Gameplay — With a full Season Mode, detailed player attributes, and other game modes including Situation Mode and 2 Minute Drill, there's plenty to keep you busy.

Put Some Touch on the Ball — Take control of your game faster and easier than ever before with a quick touch of the screen. Use the touchpad to select plays, call audibles at the line of scrimmage, and maneuver the kicking meter.

Twice the Vision — See where all 22 players are on the field on one screen while controlling the key action in the other.

Breakthrough Gameplay — Air it out with 5-receiver sets or let your QB create havoc with his legs as well as him arms with all-new scrambling ability.

 

[kitchenmotors]

I'm no fan of sports games by all means, but that doesn't look half bad. Seems like a nice football video game experience if you're not a graphic whore. The models seem pretty nice and there's actual shadows as opposed to circle shadows. Color me impressed.

 

[DCX]

UGLY!!! Why would anyone play a sports "sim" on a handheld?! It just doesn't make much sense...i would play NFL Street or something of the sort but not Madden.

DCX

 

[captainbiotch]

UGLY!!! Why would anyone play a sports "sim" on a handheld?! It just doesn't make much sense...i would play NFL Street or something of the sort but not Madden.

DCX

Because they like sports sims?

 

[Deg]

UGLY!!! Why would anyone play a sports "sim" on a handheld?! It just doesn't make much sense...i would play NFL Street or something of the sort but not Madden.

DCX

Because you = everyone?

Get over it.

 

[cybamerc]

Why would anyone play a sports "sim" on a handheld?! It just doesn't make much sense...

Why not?

 

[DCX]

So you would plunk down 49.99 for Madden on PS2 get into a deep franchise and then plunk down 29.99 for Madden on DS just to play it on the way to work?

Me=commonsense

Again i understand a quick, pick and play sports game, but not a sim...just MHO doesn't make it law...although it would be nice.

EDIT: This also apllies to PSP, i'm not teh biased.

DCX

 

[radioheadrule83]

So you would plunk down 49.99 for Madden on PS2 get into a deep franchise and then plunk down 29.99 for Madden on DS just to play it on the way to work?

Me=commonsense

Again i understand a quick, pick and play sports game, but not a sim...just IMO doesn't make it law...although it would be nice.

EDIT: This also apllies to PSP, i'm not teh biased.

DCX

I see what you're saying. This kind of thing definately isn't for short journeys, or quick casual blasts.

 

[LowTecky]

They might be targeting impulse buyers. One person has it, he's impressed and wants to play him wirelessly, so he buys it immediately not really considering if its worth it. I've done this many times with XBL games.

 

[Rlan]

For comparisons sake, here's the PSOne version of Madden 2004 Video:

http://www.easports.com/downloads/sports_videos/madden2004/mad_psx_sales_hi.mov

 

[cybamerc]

Well, potentially any game can be done better on a home console. The appeal of handheld games (apart from portability) is that they usually offer a different gaming experience compared to home console games. Madden DS seems to continue that trend because of the unique features of the DS hardware. If it was just another 3d Madden without dual screen feature and touch screen input I'd agree with you.

BTW, I object to the notion that handheld are only good for quick gaming sessions. People who say that must've never tried Advance Wars. I've played that for 10 hours straight... ah the wonders of proper battery life.

 

[The Bookerman]

UGLY!!! Why would anyone play a sports "sim" on a handheld?! It just doesn't make much sense...i would play NFL Street or something of the sort but not Madden.

DCX

Then what about rpg's?

What about pokemon?

Same stuff applies to football.

 

[Deg]

So you would plunk down 49.99 for Madden on PS2 get into a deep franchise and then plunk down 29.99 for Madden on DS just to play it on the way to work?

Me=commonsense

Again i understand a quick, pick and play sports game, but not a sim...just MHO doesn't make it law...although it would be nice.

EDIT: This also apllies to PSP, i'm not teh biased.

DCX

you can play a short game if you wanted to.

 

[Soul4ger]

UGLY!!! Why would anyone play a sports "sim" on a handheld?! It just doesn't make much sense...i would play NFL Street or something of the sort but not Madden.

DCX

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. So I guess you won't play Racing Sims on a handheld, but you'll playing arcade-style racing games?

 

[DCX]

Well, potentially any game can be done better on a home console. The appeal of handheld games (apart from portability) is that they usually offer a different gaming experience compared to home console games. Madden DS seems to continue that trend because of the unique features of the DS hardware. If it was just another 3d Madden without dual screen feature and touch screen input I'd agree with you.

BTW, I object to the notion that handheld are only good for quick gaming sessions. People who say that must've never tried Advance Wars. I've played that for 10 hours straight... ah the wonders of proper battery life.

The touch screen feature "potentially" offer new experiences but is it really worth playing the same game for? I like the wireless head to head. Handhelds are marketed as portable systems that offer quick gaming sessions or long "road trip" sessions and there are games to fulfill each "genre". Advance Wars, Golden Sun and Castlevania fill the long "road trip" Madden just doesn't belong. I'm also tired of SNES/Genesis ports...again defeats the purpose of playing NEW games.

DCX

 

[Deg]

The touch screen feature "potentially" offer new experiences but is it really worth playing the same game for? I like the wireless head to head. Handhelds are marketed as portable systems that offer quick gaming sessions or long "road trip" sessions and there are games to fulfill each "genre". Advance Wars, Golden Sun and Castlevania fill the long "road trip" Madden just doesn't belong. I'm also tired of SNES/Genesis ports...again defeats the purpose of playing NEW games.

DCX

You need to bail out.

 

[DCX]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. So I guess you won't play Racing Sims on a handheld, but you'll playing arcade-style racing games?

Racing games offer quick experiences. One race save and done...arcade or sim style. Same with NBA Jam, NFL Street etc. Madden doesn't offer a quick pick up and play feel. You need to play at least 5 min quarters if not more to make it "realistic". You missed my point.

DCX

 

[captainbiotch]

You need to bail out.

:lol

Agreed.

 

[DCX]

You need to bail out.

I'm prepared!

DCX

 

[kitchenmotors]

Racing games offer quick experiences. One race save and done...arcade or sim style. Same with NBA Jam, NFL Street etc. Madden doesn't offer a quick pick up and play feel. You need to play at least 5 min quarters if not more to make it "realistic". You missed my point.

DCX

WHAT WHAT WHAT

This thread needs the dog in blender gif.

Pokemon sells more than the console versions of Madden and requires more than 5 minutes of play each time. Heck, almost all DS software announced is either puzzle, strategy or RPG games. I'm all for more complex handheld software that is also pick up and play. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

And the DS sports an awesome sleep mode. Just close the handheld and it's automatically put into sleep mode. Open it up again and it awakens where you left off. It's nice to have pick up and play features AND complex gameplay.

You make it seem like someone has to invest hours into Madden 2005 DS. It's not that way, and while you might like to invest an hour or two into a "SIM" (if you can even call Madden that) other people might be able to enjoy the more time consuming aspects at a pick up and play pace, even if they only can play for 5 mins at a time.

All these arguments and then some could be thrown out at PSP as well. So I cannot wait for your post when you bite the bullet and buy something other than Tetris or Arcade Classics for your DS and/or PSP.

 

[DCX]

WHAT WHAT WHAT

This thread needs the dog in blender gif.

Pokemon sells more than the console versions of Madden and requires more than 5 minutes of play each time. Heck, almost all DS software announced is either puzzle, strategy or RPG games. I'm all for more complex handheld software that is also pick up and play. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

And the DS sports an awesome sleep mode. Just close the handheld and it's automatically put into sleep mode. Open it up again and it awakens where you left off. It's nice to have pick up and play features AND complex gameplay.

You make it seem like someone has to invest hours into Madden 2005 DS. It's not that way, and while you might like to invest every ounce of your time into a "SIM" (if you can even call Madden that) other people might be able to enjoy the more time consuming aspects away at a pick up and play pace.

All these arguments and then some could be thrown out at PSP as well. So I cannot wait for your post when you bite the bullet and buy something other than Tetris or Arcade Classics for your DS and/or PSP.

I know this includes PSP, i wasn't aware of the sleep mode, that will silence me becuase that mode makes any game pick up and play. Pokemon falls into my "road trip" genre...i did conver this...you guys act like i'm bashing DS, i'm bashing Madden on DS/GB/GBA/Lynx/Game Gear/PSP or whatever handheld system you want to throw out there.

DCX

 

[Deg]

I know this includes PSP, i wasn't aware of the sleep mode, that will silence me becuase that mode makes any game pick up and play. Pokemon falls into my "road trip" genre...i did conver this...you guys act like i'm bashing DS, i'm bashing Madden on DS/GB/GBA/Lynx/Game Gear/PSP or whatever handheld system you want to throw out there.

DCX

Well there certainly are people like you but bear in mind the biggest selling handheld games ussualy require more than 5 minutes at a time.

 

[Guileless]

That looks pretty sweet, reminds me of Madden 64. I've never played much handheld football, but I played through a 162 game baseball season (albeit with 3 inning games) of "The Majors" on my brother's Game Gear back in the salad days of the early 90s. The GBA baseball game that Smilebit produced is also really sweet and sucked up a lot of my time.

Golf games are also really good on handhelds.

 

[seismologist]

One of my biggest complaints on sports games is that there are so many menus to flip through. 2 screens will be great for sports games.

 

[MacGuffin]

Incredibly Deep Gameplay — With a full Season Mode, detailed player attributes, and other game modes including Situation Mode and 2 Minute Drill, there's plenty to keep you busy.

So does this mean no Franchise/Owner mode? Cause if not, no use to own it, but I was originally considering it if it had one of those options.

 

[olimario]

I wish the DS was a more powerful system.
I'd like to see at LEAST QB Club 98 graphics.

 

[tralfazz]

It looks rushed. That said it's better than I expected. Might pick it up, but I look forward to next year's version.

 

[StoOgE]

I have to say this is the first use of the touch screen Ive found to be at all natural.. selecting the plays that way would be very intuitive, and the X's and O's on the screen could be usefull in the passing game..

I'm still skeptical of this system, but I guess if it plays GBA games, worst case scenario you have a bigger GBA than everyone else.

Graphically is looks pretty bad however.. and Im not sure how much of that is the system and how much of it is the wierd charachter models EA is using.. its like the players are 99% upper body.

 

[snapty00]

The biggest two things, I think, holding back the DS are 1.) that fucking, underclocked ARM9 processor and equally underclocked ARM7 processor and 2.) the fact that the GPU has fewer built-in effects than Nintendo 64.

 

[seismologist]

I have to say this is the first use of the touch screen Ive found to be at all natural.. selecting the plays that way would be very intuitive, and the X's and O's on the screen could be usefull in the passing game..
.

another cool thing is you can use one of those closeup camera views on the top screen that usually aren't playable.

 

[kitchenmotors]

It was only a matter of time.

SOMEBODY RAPE ME FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. I'M GOING NUTS BABY!

Graphic whores were cute for a little while, but now it's goddamn annoying.

 

[Insertia]

that looks pretty bad. the models look extremely poor and the animation is kinda choppy.

 

[Deg]

Its way better than the PS1.

 

[Insertia]

True, but that's nothing to brag about. Madden for PSOne was a horribly ugly game that wasn't cut out for 3d.

Madden DS looks far worse than football titles for n64.

 

[seismologist]

I know, its funny. 4 years of portable football games that look like this and you did't hear a peep out of the graphics whores until now.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I know, its funny. 4 years of portable football games that look like this and you did't hear a peep out of the graphics whores until now.

Because that's all handheld hardware was capable of at the time. Now there handheld hardware that's capable of more and that's what people expect. People didn't complain about Madden PSone's graphcs when it first came out either, but try getting them to play it after playing Madden on the PS2.

 

[seismologist]

I bet this will be the most addictive Madden game yet. Touch screen play calling is gonna speed things up considerably. That's what I'm looking forward to most.

I'm just happy it's in 3D so you can get multiple camera angles. As long as it's a steady framerate. Beyond that the graphics dont really matter.

 

[snapty00]

Yeah, the Nintendo 64 football games looked a lot, lot better. Maybe they can introduce an upgrade cartridge eventually, but it sucks that they didn't make it more powerful to begin with.

 

[cybamerc]

Now there handheld hardware that's capable of more and that's what people expect.

More like, for the first time Sony has a system that doesn't have shit IQ and suddenly it's a huge priority for Sony fanboys eventhough it hasn't been before.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

why are the players super-deformed? The Bus...passes to the Bus...the Bus is in for a touchdown!

 

[SolidSnakex]

More like, for the first time Sony has a system that doesn't have shit IQ and suddenly it's a huge priority for Sony fanboys eventhough it hasn't been before.

The problem with that argument is that IQ isn't the only advantage that the PSP has over the DS visually.

 

[cybamerc]

Yeah, the Nintendo 64 football games looked a lot, lot better.

The N64 featured texture filtering. It sucks that Nintendo didn't include it in the DS but that's how it is. With a low resolution display and point filtering this is what you get. The more detailed textures and models are the more jaggies and shimmering you get so designers will have to find a balance between detail and IQ.

One major advantage the DS has over both PS1 and N64 however is framerate. You can argue that is shouldn't come at the expense of texture filtering but it's still nice to have smooth running games. It certainly makes 3d games a little more viable on the system despite the limitations of the hardware.

 

[MacGuffin]

The problem with that argument is that IQ isn't the only advantage that the PSP has over the DS visually.

Perhaps, but we will just let time tell us who gives us better games.

 

[SickBoy]

Looks pretty good, but I imagine if I was to get a handheld version, the PSP version (assuming there is one) wuold likely be the one to get. That said, I'm doubting there's a new handheld in my near future. Still neat to see, though... finally looks like something more than handheld Genesis games.

 

[cybamerc]

The problem with that argument is that IQ isn't the only advantage that the PSP has over the DS visually.

PSP is an a completely different league as far as hardware power is concerned. That has been known for ages and there's really no point in comparing the two systems on their graphics capabilities. People who buy a Nintendo DS are interested in new gaming experiences and are less concerned by graphics. If you can't look past some rough IQ the DS isn't for you because it's not going to get any better.

 

[Brofist]

I don't think it looks bad at all. Still rather have a this gen looking version with analog movement, so I'll get the PSP version next year.

 

[Mrbob]

How does this look in motion? I can't get the vids to load right now. The pics on EAs Madden DS page look horrid though. Looks like a pixillated mess of a PSONE game.

 

[olimario]

How does this look in motion? I can't get the vids to load right now. The pics on EAs Madden DS page look horrid though. Looks like a pixillated mess of a PSONE game.

Horrible in motion, too.
Pixelated mess and very low poly.
Animation sucks too.

 

[neptunes]

I guess it looks decent :/

 

[Mrbob]

Horrible in motion, too.
Pixelated mess and very low poly.
Animation sucks too.

Sounds just like PSone madden. :lol

I can't believe I used to play 3D games that looked so damn bad. Yikes. Makes me appreciate all the more what we have now!