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Madden 360 pics!!

Alright I dont mean to be a dick, but Nathken, you were way off to suggest the final product would look better then the target render, this honestly is a major MAJOR let down graphically, and from the BK video ooks like animation will be shit as well :(
 
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What can I say? You're going to buy it anyway!
 
nathkenn said:
The game looks excellent in HD, some of the choice of the stuff they are showing confuses me beyond belief, there's a lot of stuff that could be improved but their simply isnt time to get everything in that we want.
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Translation: Wait for Madden 07 for the real next generation version to come out when we can put the game on two next generation platforms.

I can accept this too since MS is rushing next generation this year. Only release what you have available at the time.

I expect the X360 and PS3 versions of Madden 07 to be extremely close.

To be honest, all I want is new animation. I don't want a 360 game disguised as a PS2 game.
 
If Madden looks like that I'll gladly stick with NFL2K5. Now lets pray there is backwards compatibility with that game.
 
Dante said:
Alright I dont mean to be a dick, but Nathken, you were way off to suggest the final product would look better then the target render, this honestly is a major MAJOR let down graphically, and from the BK video ooks like animation will be shit as well :(
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Kintaro said:
Wait, wha? This was supposed to what the next gen Madden was going to look like? *pfft*. Sheeyeah, right. Even with the MGS4 pics and their model quality, there's no way I could believe EA of all people could pump out a football game with all the players on the field looking like this, with a high quality stadium and so forth. Especially not 1st game into the gen... just me though.

High expectations +1
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I didn't, I was just making a joke. Still, it's EXTREMELY weaker then compared to the 'target' vid.
 
nathkenn said:
I still don't like that video and think the game looks better, obviously we aren't going to be able to match in every detail something that was rendered on a render farm for hours for just one frame . It also had canned animation not interpolated motion capture stuff like football games use.
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Come on now, there is a massive difference in detail...

The original render looked like it could be a CG intro for this game. I never expected this to be matched in realtime, but the current screens look like high-res, normal mapped versions of the current game. We can match that resolution on the PC even!

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At the very least, surely they could have used some grass shaders or something. What about a unified lighting model? Self-shadows all around? That would have helped a lot...
 
nathkenn said:
I still don't like that video and think the game looks better, obviously we aren't going to be able to match in every detail something that was rendered on a render farm for hours for just one frame . It also had canned animation not interpolated motion capture stuff like football games use. Now they just need to show some of my stuff so you guys can at least bitch to me about something I have to do with.
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I am aware of the realities man, I feel for you, but in true GAF tradition, it had to be done.
 
nathkenn said:
I still don't like that video and think the game looks better, obviously we aren't going to be able to match in every detail something that was rendered on a render farm for hours for just one frame . It also had canned animation not interpolated motion capture stuff like football games use.
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i was never too thrilled about the video myself. I thought it was just off in so many ways including animation and the build of TO. he looked kinda squatty and not as slender as he does when I see film of him in a game. these new screens dont look great either but I prefer the build of the players a little bit more except the torsos look odd to me.

EDIT: nathkenn why do you go back and edit your posts frequently instead of making a new post? it makes you hard to follow
 
My god the shadows! Not good.


Let's hope this is kind of like Tiger Woods for the 360 and it starts to look good here soon.
 
nathkenn said:
I still don't like that video and think the game looks better, obviously we aren't going to be able to match in every detail something that was rendered on a render farm for hours for just one frame . It also had canned animation not interpolated motion capture stuff like football games use. Now they just need to show some of my stuff so you guys can at least bitch to me about something I have to do with.
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You have got to be fucking kidding me.
 
Izzy said:
Sadly, it looks like Madden 360 is going to cause more damage to X360 than the MGS4 ever could.
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Well, it doesn't really make me want to spend anohter 60 bucks on a version of the game I already own. That is for sure.

My expectations for next gen Madden is more than just better graphics. I want better animation to lead to more fluid gameplay experience. With the power of 360 Madden 06 should be able to get rid of that damn pinball running which plagues the current gen versions. What I've seen in motion looks EXACTLY like the PS2/Xbox/GC version in motion. That is the biggest disappointment of all. Give me some next gen gameplay. Otherwise I hope Xbox 360 is BC with Madden 06 Xbox.

At least stone hands McNabb is fixed.
 
LakeEarth said:
I didn't, I was just making a joke. Still, it's EXTREMELY weaker then compared to the 'target' vid.
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I know, I wasn't singling you out. Sorry for mix up. I thought that picture was from some CG intro or something. I don't know. I honestly can't see ANY football game looking like that this gen. Hope to be proved wrong though. :)
 
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I still believe...someday you and me...will find ourselves... in love again
 
" their simply isnt time to get everything in that we want."

Not everything you guys wanted huh? More like it missed the render by freaking MILES! I knew you were full of it when you made the claim.

"obviously we aren't going to be able to match in every detail something that was rendered on a render farm for hours for just one frame"

:lol :lol Oh Reeeeaally? Too bad you were too busy spouting out BS to mention that in the beginning.
 
DMczaf said:
Revolutionary Player Models-3d head scans provide photo-realistic faces and physiques and a level of detail that shows the emotion and intensity of the NFL like never before.
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At least they got the photo-realistic physiques that were promised. Simply compare the above shot to this picture of Rodney Harrison after last year's Super Bowl:



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I wonder how many of you people bashing this game also want to work in the game industry.
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Uh, what the hell does that have to do with anything? BTW I'm an animator in the industry. You thinkworking in the industry somehow validates ones opinion over somebody else's?
 
nathkenn said:
Yeah, it's pretty bad. People spend day and night with no sleep to try to get these games out on time. We have no control over when the ship date is and it isnt up to us when it's ready. It sucks when all you see is bitching about every single game that comes out.
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aren't you working on the stadiums? I think the stadium look very good :)
 
Call me crazy but the Raymond James Stadium pic looks fucking ace,the 2nd pic just looks weird...

I say most of you are totally overreacting,but whatever.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. People spend day and night with no sleep to try to get these games out on time. We have no control over when the ship date is and it isnt up to us when it's ready. It sucks when all you see is bitching about every single game that comes out.
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That's when you take a step back and realize half of the people in this thread probably haven't played Madden in years and couldn't tell you jackshit about the actual game of football,heh.

well, don't release pre-rendered movies to ooo and ahhh us then release pics of the game that looks like ass. It's not that hard. Oh, and to get more sympathy from me, don't charge $50+ for a game either.
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Yea I'm sure Nathan was the one behind that decision,cut the dude some slack you fuckin douchebags.
 
nathkenn said:
Yeah, it's pretty bad. People spend day and night with no sleep to try to get these games out on time. We have no control over when the ship date is and it isnt up to us when it's ready. It sucks when all you see is bitching about every single game that comes out.
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well, don't release pre-rendered movies to ooo and ahhh us then release pics of the game that looks like ass. It's not that hard. Oh, and to get more sympathy from me, don't charge $50+ for a game either.
 
nathkenn said:
Yeah, it's pretty bad. People spend day and night with no sleep to try to get these games out on time. We have no control over when the ship date is and it isnt up to us when it's ready. It sucks when all you see is bitching about every single game that comes out.
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Ya, I felt the same way when the first Godfather images came out. But things weren't NEARLY this bad in the summer, people have just gone out of control with the negativity as launch comes closer. Just gotta look past these anti-social rejects and know your game is going to sell MILLIONS of copies and be played by millions of people. I mean, how friggin cool is that? The dozen or so ingrates bashing these meaningless screens won't ever have that same experience.
 
Archaix said:
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At least they got the photo-realistic physiques that were promised. Simply compare the above shot to this picture of Rodney Harrison after last year's Super Bowl:



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Rodney Harrison does have that extra padding on his back

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Mr_Furious said:
:lol People REALLY need to stop being so blind and bloody ignorant. Madden 360 is NOT next-gen quality and EA is just about wrapping up development on the game if they plan to hit their projected November date. It's not like EA can continue "tweaking the graphics" up until the last day before it hits shelves. There is a required amount of testing that is performed by MS before they can approve the game and there's also lead time necessary for the game to pressed and packaged and approval. The whole process takes usually 4-8 weeks and sometimes longer depending on content and how bug ridden the game is when it hits MS.

Bottomline: what you see is what you'll get graphically at this point which is unacceptable for such a profound franchise that supposed to be making the "leap" onto next-gen hardware.
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That's great and all but the stadium shot looks hot and I'm keeping the faith nerd! Let me be. I'll be the one saying I told you all....... maybe.
 
nathkenn said:
Yeah, it's pretty bad. People spend day and night with no sleep to try to get these games out on time. We have no control over when the ship date is and it isnt up to us when it's ready. It sucks when all you see is bitching about every single game that comes out.
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You're kind of in an unfortunate position...

I do feel bad for your situation, though. However, I would say that expectations were simply allowed to spiral out of control. From the teaser footage to comments about the final looking superior, people had a lot of hope here.

You're working on the stadiums, though, right? The stadiums actually look really really nice. That first shot looks quite similar to some of those earlier shots that were passed around. Very nice.
 
nathkenn said:
thanks =)

I added the signs to the endzone like someone asked, but I couldnt put in all the messages for legal and texture budget reasons sorry.
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:lol I think I asked about that. Awesome, I'm a game developer now!

*buys Madden 360*

Seriously though, that Raymond James Stadium shot gives my Bucs fandom a hard on :O
 
Dante said:
Uh, what the hell does that have to do with anything? BTW I'm an animator in the industry. You thinkworking in the industry somehow validates ones opinion over somebody else's?
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My point is that it's a hell of a lot easier to deal out the criticisms than take it. And if they think they can produce better stuff than on here then they're very wrong (unless they're from Bungie or Konami) and would receive much harsher words.
 
wanna know what's interesting? If they changed the lighting/environment and added a little grass shader it would absolutely floor you guys. Funny that's also part of code and not considered to be content. While the game may be content complete or near content complete... the game can still look fastly different in the end.
 
rastex said:
Ya, I felt the same way when the first Godfather images came out. But things weren't NEARLY this bad in the summer, people have just gone out of control with the negativity as launch comes closer. Just gotta look past these anti-social rejects and know your game is going to sell MILLIONS of copies and be played by millions of people. I mean, how friggin cool is that? The dozen or so ingrates bashing these meaningless screens won't ever have that same experience.
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dude, please. Shitty screenshots get released, they are gonna get bashed. Getting people's hopes up by releasing great CG and then claiming (and STILL claiming) the game will look as good if not better certainly doesn't help. How do you expect people to react? You act like people are needlessly trolling great looking screenshots just to get Nathan angry, or because we're somehow jealous. If these pics looked great, i would complement him on a job well done. But...they don't.

if i told you it took me hours and hours working every day for 6 months to draw this:
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would it make it any less shitty?
 
If nathkenn weren't so full of shit, then the expectations and reactions wouldn't be near what they are. Everybody assumed that video was just a target and wishful thinking, and he comes in and says it's going to look so much better and this and that.

It looks(barely) better than the Xbox version. That's pretty much what could have been expected if nobody came around and said how great it would look. People should have known better, but they believe the bullshit, so this is what you get. And I'm not above piling on :D

Also, why the fuck are they so shiny?!
 
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