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Madden Season 3: Rules, current draft positions and more inside!
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dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Signed in as the Panthers. What is the rule on subbing injured players like He Hate Me and Stephen Davis?
Wellington
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Wait wait, the draft orders haven't even been finalized yet.
Matrix, can you PM me what team you are taking? I need to know if it's the Falcons since they are my second choice.
It's alright if someone legitimately ahead of me in draft order takes the Pats. That's fair and square. I could still use the Falcons or the Vikes anyhow. I still dunno about the Iggles.
Edit - Bob and I have tied records and he beat me head to head. It would not be fair if he took the Pats first. :|
Matrix, can you PM me what team you are taking? I need to know if it's the Falcons since they are my second choice.
It's alright if someone legitimately ahead of me in draft order takes the Pats. That's fair and square. I could still use the Falcons or the Vikes anyhow. I still dunno about the Iggles.
Edit - Bob and I have tied records and he beat me head to head. It would not be fair if he took the Pats first. :|
Wellington
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Mrbob said:
Crap.
Ok, so about the "double post routes": I assume that this is *supposed* to mean flag routes from slot receivers? I thought that was what all the bitching has been about, right? Or does this mean that I can't have both a slot receiver and an outside receiver run inside post patterns? What's so hard to stop about inside post patterns? Why is that cheese? For one, in routes run receivers into the heart of the defense so throwing to those receivers means throwing into a lot of traffic. And for two, those types of patterns are usually just run-off routes for a TE underneath or an RB out of the backfield.
Also, we're not allowed to manually move the DE further to the outside to get a better angle on the tackle. Is that correct?
Wellington
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
Slo said:
IIRC manual movement of the DE is allowed, just no LB/CB movement to blitz. I just use d-line spreads and line crashes and leave my selection icon on a lineman until the snap, but others prefer to move the DE over to get easy pressure.
I agree on the double inside (or outside, or cross) post plays... I don't understand why this is considered a money play. The Redskins playbook has several plays in 2 formations designed with slot receivers as main receivers of inside post passes....am I supposed to not call these plays?
Wellington
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Shadax said:
No, you cannot continue to move the dlineman further out after the spread, or up off the line, which is what I think is meant. Moving one guy further inside should be fine, since the AI will still be able to pick up on him.
I really don't know what play he's talking about...Corner Routes with Slot WRs are what I consider cheesy,but only if you call them all game long,one here or there I don't mind.But like I said Bob was able to come back from like a 21 point defecit because Dan Looker and Kevin Curtis are the gods of running corner routes into double coverage! 
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Fifty said:
Sorry Bob. But it seems like you came out better anyway.
Ramirez said:
I like this. I really dislike the idea of eliminating the route altogether. That basically means that the defense doesn't have to cover that part of the field. Hell, there are certain zones that cover everywhere BUT the deep sidelines (corners play the flats, backers stay in the middle, the sidelines are wide open in front of the safeties). Why not just sit in those zones all game if any play that's not handled by your coverage is illegal?
The route IS very hard for the AI to cover in man to man situations, but it is stopable with certains zones, especially via ninja linebackers. But then again it's also hard to stop Moss on the fly route and Vick on the bootleg, should we completely ban those things too? The problem is not use, it's abuse. And completely eliminating those plays gives the defense an unfair advantage imo.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I think the problem was that there was abuse going on when the play was legal. CK had that play down perfect, didn't abuse it, but that play was a guaranteed 25-yard gain, atleast. I would rather not have that play back in the league.
The play is stoppable, but it requires a deep zone that is really bad against most other routes. It works even with 3 WRs. Hell, even with 2. As long as 2 guys are on one side, the outside WR distracts the corner(s) and the inside guy runs a flag or a post to the outside. It almost always works, and it's really annoying. I'll call a play, without knowing that route is in there, but I'll see it open and have to decide if I want to exploit the game, or get a 4th down
dskillzhtown said:
I'm sorry, but NO play in Madden is guaranteed. I've called Shotgun-Normal-"Corner Threat" dozens of times: Royal goes out on a long corner to the outside, and I've had it INTed or tipped more times than I can count. I've also had Slot WR plays cross over the middle and be INTed or tipped plenty of times. If FMT says, "You can't call *this* specific play in a playbook, I'll abide by it, but I need something more to go on than just "corner routes and slot WR posts are cheese." If I call a close game 3rd down formation/play completely different than those two plays, but due to coverage and bump and run my guys end up running one of those patterns and I complete a wide open pass to them, I don't want to have to argue about the outcome of a game over that in here. FMT, if you could give some more specificity here I'd really appreciate it.
It's an odd situation, because the play is such a basic one, therefore it's hard to flat out BAN, because everyone is bound to use it. It's just frustrating that the corner's reaction time is too slow to cover it. Anyway, I've played over 150 games of 2005, and I can't recall that play ever being the game-deciding play. So just don't exploit it. If you guys see someone running it all the time, then we've got a problem. As it stands it's an above average play that is much harder to stop than the average route.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
This is Mig's rendition of the play and variations in question:
dskillzhtown said:This is Mig's rendition of the play and variations in question:
Yep, that's the Redskins Shotgun Normal (3 WR I believe) "Corner Threat" play exactly. Wellie and FMT can attest to the fact that they've shut me down many times on this play, without much trouble. I really disagree with anyone who says this play is "guaranteed for 25 yards." But if this is the play that can't be called, then I won't call it at all. If it's a "misuse/abuse" issue, then what's the rule? I can't call it on 3rd down at all? Or if it nets me a TD that TD has to be called back?
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
the only thing that is banned are 4 wide plays where both of the slot receivers run for the sideline. you can call 3-wide with the slot heading to the sideline on that outside post, fine. but when its 2 people it is a bitch to cover because you can only manually cover one of them.
if you see migs diagram play up there in your playbook, just dont use it. simple as that. other than that, play ball
if you see migs diagram play up there in your playbook, just dont use it. simple as that. other than that, play ball
Wellington
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Nice, I picked the Pats. Everyone else pick whoever you want. AFC EAST POWAH.
Also, I've been involved in games where the player called double out posts EVERY TIME. I only stopped it by manually defending it... and then he rolled out to the other side, ugh.
Only Q now is, should I use the Pats playbook, or the Giants one, which I am more familiar with..? Doesn't matter, they'd execute either way.
Everyone else pick whoever you want. AFC EAST POWAH. Also, I've been involved in games where the player called double out posts EVERY TIME. I only stopped it by manually defending it... and then he rolled out to the other side, ugh.
Only Q now is, should I use the Pats playbook, or the Giants one, which I am more familiar with..? Doesn't matter, they'd execute either way.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
everything is looking good so far, we have 12/18 people signed in. those who haven't signed in are as follows:
1. bog
2. maverick
3. rors
4. slo
5. gunstar
6. hgplayer
sign in at your leisure friends, we wont start season 3 until season 2 playoffs are done anyways.
1. bog
2. maverick
3. rors
4. slo
5. gunstar
6. hgplayer
sign in at your leisure friends, we wont start season 3 until season 2 playoffs are done anyways.
Wellington
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I just wanted to note that the Lions are crazy good in the hands of a good player. I didn't want to consider them since Ramirez said he would likely take them earlier.
The Bungals are better, I think. The two Johnsons, and TJ Housh.
The Bungals are better, I think.
The two Johnsons, and TJ Housh.FrenchMovieTheme
Member
also, rors, i need your XBL username.
sign up for the ea premium pass if you haven't already, its free. you can sign up here:
http://www.easports.com/easportspremiumpass/madden/home.jsp
sign up for the ea premium pass if you haven't already, its free. you can sign up here:
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dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Slo said:
Yeah, sign up dude
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
well i said it was up to you if you wanted to sign in, but that if someone who was scheduled to draft ahead of you wanted "your" team, then you would have to sign out and sign back in again.
so go ahead and sign in
so go ahead and sign in
Wellington
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Damn what to do... I wanted the Broncos initially for their insane running game... but I like the Bills for their ridonkulous defense. Only thing that is swaying me right now is what I was able to do with the fuckin Giant's O. Anything just slightly better than that would be a humungous upgrade.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
ok you are on the list you can sign in now
Wellington
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Shadax said:
I was bluffing the whole time with the Pats so that none of you f00s would take the Broncos. Then Fifty did (Even though he still could end up with a better record than mine). Then I chose the Bills and decided to keep them for reasons which I do not care to divulge.
