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Before you go running off and investing in cards for Standard play I would really wait a week until the June 20th bannings happen. Most likely a bunch of blue/white cards that form Cawblade are going to get banned and we'll have a new meta to play with and new decks will emerge as competitive.
But if you must and are on a budget, Red Deck Wins or Phyrexian Soul Sisters are pretty decent and relatively inexpensive.
But if you must and are on a budget, Red Deck Wins or Phyrexian Soul Sisters are pretty decent and relatively inexpensive.
Aura's are creature enchantments. Non-aura's are everything else that gets played then stays on the field. Instants and sorceries are non-permanent, you play them, they resolve then end up in the graveyard. Tokens left by instants and sorceries are permanents though.pix said:
Hope that helps.
The Technomancer
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Restarting the game gets rid of lands, and if you exiled any lands with Karn they come back under your control.pix said:
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Hero said:
Where do you guys get these deck names from?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, I always wondered that as well. Some, like Eldrazi Ramp and Red Deck Wins, are pretty self explanatory, but it took me the longest time to figure out why the Pickles deck was called that (back in Lorwyn)WanderingWind said:
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The_Technomancer said:
Is there a deck database or something? Because Red Deck Wins could be any number of things...
WanderingWind said:
Red decks wins legacy:
Creatures
3 Figure of Destiny
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
Instants
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
Sorceries
4 Chain Lightning
4 Flame Rift
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
Thats basically it. Burn away your opponents creatures and let your own pound away.
I've seen some with keldon maruaders as well.
Red Deck Wins standard:
4 Shrine of Burning Rage
Creatures
4 Ember Hauler
4 Goblin Guide
4 Spikeshot Elder
Instants
4 Burst Lightning
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Staggershock
Planeswalkers
4 Koth of the Hammer
This deck doesn't look too expensive. However, what is the point of this deck? How do the Vampires work together?
Red/Black Vampires
Creatures
4 Bloodghast
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Kalastria Highborn
2 Vampire Hexmage
4 Vampire Lacerator
4 Viscera Seer
Enchantments
1 Dark Tutelage
Instants
2 Go for the Throat
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Staggershock
Sorceries
2 Arc Trail
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
Basic Lands
9 Swamp
Lands
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Marsh Flats
Sideboard:
2 Manic Vandal
2 Dark Tutelage
2 Go for the Throat
1 Staggershock
2 Arc Trail
3 Duress
3 Mark of Mutiny
Red/Black Vampires
Creatures
4 Bloodghast
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Kalastria Highborn
2 Vampire Hexmage
4 Vampire Lacerator
4 Viscera Seer
Enchantments
1 Dark Tutelage
Instants
2 Go for the Throat
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Staggershock
Sorceries
2 Arc Trail
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
Basic Lands
9 Swamp
Lands
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Marsh Flats
Sideboard:
2 Manic Vandal
2 Dark Tutelage
2 Go for the Throat
1 Staggershock
2 Arc Trail
3 Duress
3 Mark of Mutiny
Vamps are fucking awesome. I've been playing mono-black lately and it is great. The deck is fairly easy to play and has a ton of synergy. And feel free to change the deck to your liking.
What you want to do is drop your one-drop turn one or play IoK. Then attack (especially if it's Pulse Tracker), drop Bloodghast. Turn three drop a swamp and play Kalastria Highborn. She will allow you to pay S anytime a vampire you control goes to the graveyard and do 2 damage and gain 2 life. After she is out you always want to make sure you have open swamps. Bloodghast will let you bring it back into play from the graveyard if you play a land and can't block, so every turn you will be attacking with him. If he gets blocked, pay a S for the Highborn, if he goes through you still deal two damage.
The deck is an aggro deck, so is pretty easy to play. The hardest part is getting used to holding lands. You should always have a land in hand if you have Bloodghast out so you can bring him back. Adding R gives you more options for removal, Lightning bolt, Arc Trail, Crush for artifacts. Also you can play Mark of Mutiny, stealing a creature so you have a path to attack.
I play with some of the bigger Vamps, Anawon forcing all players to sac a non-vamp creature at my upkeep and sometimes the one for 5SSS that has a nice ability. Captivating helped me last weekend since I could steal their creatures, helping keep Splinter Twin combos and the life gain combo with Phyrexian Metamorph from going off, or giving me infinite life as well. Blade of the Bloodchief will give your equiped vamp 2 +1/+1 counters anytime a creature goes to the graveyard, allowing you to get some beefy Highborns.
What you want to do is drop your one-drop turn one or play IoK. Then attack (especially if it's Pulse Tracker), drop Bloodghast. Turn three drop a swamp and play Kalastria Highborn. She will allow you to pay S anytime a vampire you control goes to the graveyard and do 2 damage and gain 2 life. After she is out you always want to make sure you have open swamps. Bloodghast will let you bring it back into play from the graveyard if you play a land and can't block, so every turn you will be attacking with him. If he gets blocked, pay a S for the Highborn, if he goes through you still deal two damage.
The deck is an aggro deck, so is pretty easy to play. The hardest part is getting used to holding lands. You should always have a land in hand if you have Bloodghast out so you can bring him back. Adding R gives you more options for removal, Lightning bolt, Arc Trail, Crush for artifacts. Also you can play Mark of Mutiny, stealing a creature so you have a path to attack.
I play with some of the bigger Vamps, Anawon forcing all players to sac a non-vamp creature at my upkeep and sometimes the one for 5SSS that has a nice ability. Captivating helped me last weekend since I could steal their creatures, helping keep Splinter Twin combos and the life gain combo with Phyrexian Metamorph from going off, or giving me infinite life as well. Blade of the Bloodchief will give your equiped vamp 2 +1/+1 counters anytime a creature goes to the graveyard, allowing you to get some beefy Highborns.
There's definitely a cool deck based around this guy, Grand Architects, and Molten-Tail Masticores. I'll probably be pre-ordering a playset.kudos. said:Jace's Archivist revealed
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OneEightZero
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noquarter said:
I don't mind too much about people owning with a great deck. They shelled out a pretty penny so good for them. It might pay off too since they are probably winning boosters. It's the fuckers that are anal about tourny ruling. This past weekend, I forgot to mention "At the beginning at my upkeep" and he refused to let me add a counter to the card. I didn't argue, it was my simple mistake, but I was like really? Fortunately, most everyone else were good sport.
noquarter said:
Melira is the reason I have like 8+ kill cards in my infect deck and less pump spells lol. In the end, I think she's easily taken cared of and I rather sideboard her.
My ghetto mono-white Caw-Blade [what makes a cawblade deck again?] deck was able to beat just about all of my buddy's deck last night.
T1: land, pay 2 life Vault Skirge
T2: land, attack, pay 2 life Porcelain Legionnaire for defense
T3: land, attach Piston Sledge to Vault Skirge (now it's a 4/2 lifelink flyer), attack
Basically, how I got things rolling. I would use Squadron Hawks and use Mycosynth Wellspring to thin out my deck and also use Piston Sledge's sacrifice artifact to equip(sacrificing Mycosynth Wellspring) to further thin it out. I used Blinding Souleater to tap creatures to prevent or get dmg through. Suture Preist for creature pump decks like golems/myrs. Had a few Apostle's Blessing to protect creatures and a few destroy artifacts/enchanment spells. Deck was doing really well and I don't even have the great equipment cards. I'm not willing to shell out for the Swords or Stoneforge Mystics though. ;[
I was soley a G/B infect player so it was fun to finally build another deck that seems competent (at least in casual play) thus far.
PS: I hate vamp deck with a passion.
I wouldn't mind, but they play those same decks in tourney's and will see it play there. It would be like if you had a neighborhood basketball league for a little prize and the Lakers entered. I wish they would try something new out. And people who are stickler for the rules get on my nerves a little bit, something similar happened to me this weekend as well.y2dvd said:
That was kinda my plan, use Melira so I can bring out the 7/7 Hydra and Phyrexian Vatmother without worrying about the downfalls they provide. Early game would still be the same basis I have now, with the small drops and mana ramp I've been trying.
That is a pretty ghetto Caw-Blade. The main deck runs blue as well so it can go through the deck and stall out the opponent until it gets the needed components. And you know the new event decks have 2 Stoneforges, I've found them here for $24-$25, pretty good for what you get.
I like it, it's pretty easy to play but still requires a little bit of thinking. It also has a lot you can do with it. So many good Vamp cards are getting ready to rotate though
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I am really really hoping that Innistrad will be less generic gothic and more Lovecraft. Probably not going to happen, but I can dream.V_Arnold said:But look this on the bright side: Innistrad will most likely feature new ones
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
They just finished a Lovecraftian-themed set!
The Technomancer
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Well that was mostly the third set that had that theme. The first two sets in the block were kind of an awesome Indiana Jones adventure world.Leunam said:
And yes yes, both the Phyrexians and the Eldrazi are quite Lovecraft. I was thinking more in terms of being 17th-19th century England/New England over 14-16th century Europe
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Leunam said:
Eldrazi! The unknown horrors from beyond. The tentacles and squid faced creatures. The utterly alien architecture...
It had everything except a card called "Mthulu"
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Leunam said:
Ah. Well, we're both right.
But, I think a straight out horror block would be sweet, no matter the timeframe or flavor. The Phyrexian/Artifact thing got old to me really fast.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Really glad to see Sorin showing up in DOTP 2012, and I hope they use him a lot in the future. I think there's a really interesting character there: he's supposed to be over 4000 years old, so its likely that he was a planeswalker before the events of Time Spiral.
You think there is any chance we see a new Sorin in the new block? Put him in M12 to get him known a little more and then release Sorin 2.0. Hopefully if they do they will make him cost a little less, 4 CMC is about the highest you can go on Planeswalker before he is too expensive to see much play in standard.The_Technomancer said:
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Am I alone is just kind of hating Planeswalkers?
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Member
I think if anything, we'll see a new Liliana based on the teaser art. Also, Gideon sees quite a bit of constructed play, despite beeing 3WW. Otherwise, I agree with everything you say, a new Sorin would rock.noquarter said:
Already beat DOTP 2012 lol. I tried the archenemy stuff but hated it. And i'm now working on the revenge part. Glad they changed the deck options so I can remove any cards I want, but not being able to adjust mana or build entirely new decks is bullshit. Oh well, still having fun with it. Is that merfolk blue/green planeswalker going to be in m12? Speaking of, it's neat to be playing with m12 cards already.
Atreides said:
Thinking back, I think it was rather that Myr card that lets you bring one out at the beginning of your upkeep.
Played against my buddy's mono-red ping deck last night with my ghetto mono-white cawblade deck and lost 0-3. I have no idea how and probably lack the cards to deal with those little 1/1 fuckers all with some ping ability. Suggestions?
Myr Servitor?y2dvd said:
If that's the card, then you should have been able to return the myr to the battlefield, if a judge was called (if not more thana turn cycle has passed since then). In a casual tournament the judge would have just reminded you to be more careful, and in a higher level tournament you would have got a warning.
Your opponent would have been right only if there was a choice in the forgotten ability ("you may" or similar), but Myr Servitor ability is not optional.
Yes, equip decks are not very good against ping decks, because they often can kill your guys in response to you equipping them, and that makes you lose a lot of tempo.
Kor Firewalker is very strong against red decks.
Lone Missionary is good against that kind of deck, you get a 2/1 to block and also four lifes so you have more time to bring your creatures to the battlefield.
A leveled up Hedron-Field Purists is just trolling red decks.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, that thing is pretty much a first pick for me in draft, unless the pack has something else crazy good. Its just a really good utility card.V_Arnold said:
OneEightZero
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I know a guy who passed a Stuffy Doll in Time Spiralx3 draft. Hilarity ensued.
Ok I have a question. was playing Magic 2012 and there was something I didn't understand.
I was playing the white equipment deck and I managed to get Argentum armor, Sword of War and Peace, and 3 other eqiupment out. My opponent steals my creature with that blue 5 CMC enchantment, so my creature and all the equip went to his side of the field.
If I understand the rules correctly, I lose control of that creature but I still control the equipments even though they're on his side of the field and I can remove and equip those equipment to another creature on my side of the field by paying the equip cost.
Here's the thing, I have a Puresteel Paladin out on my side of the field, yet I still had to pay the equip cost for each of the equipment even though I reached metalcraft. I didn't have 3 artifacts on my side of the field but I thought I still controlled the ones on the creature that got stolen?
Puresteel Paladin didn't let me remove those equip for 0 till I dropped 3 more equipment on my side of the field. So was this a bug or am I missing something with the rules?
I was playing the white equipment deck and I managed to get Argentum armor, Sword of War and Peace, and 3 other eqiupment out. My opponent steals my creature with that blue 5 CMC enchantment, so my creature and all the equip went to his side of the field.
If I understand the rules correctly, I lose control of that creature but I still control the equipments even though they're on his side of the field and I can remove and equip those equipment to another creature on my side of the field by paying the equip cost.
Here's the thing, I have a Puresteel Paladin out on my side of the field, yet I still had to pay the equip cost for each of the equipment even though I reached metalcraft. I didn't have 3 artifacts on my side of the field but I thought I still controlled the ones on the creature that got stolen?
Puresteel Paladin didn't let me remove those equip for 0 till I dropped 3 more equipment on my side of the field. So was this a bug or am I missing something with the rules?
I may be wrong, but I believe it has something to do with the difference between "owning" and "controlling". Because the equipment is on a creature being controlled by your opponent, you don't control those artifacts and therefor don't get metalcraft. However you do still own the equipment, so you can de-equip it.
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