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- Thread starter The Technomancer
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Doublethink
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Whoa, did you just leave out the almighty Hymn to Tourach from that Fallen Empires list? One of if not the best discards ever.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Wow. So, won again online. Lucky streak is neat.
EDIT: Well, I may be done with physical cards. This online thing is pretty fucking cool. I want to play? I play. The end. Anybody want all my great cards for some online stuff....lol.
EDIT: Well, I may be done with physical cards. This online thing is pretty fucking cool. I want to play? I play. The end. Anybody want all my great cards for some online stuff....lol.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Aw shit, how did I forget Hymn? :lol Yeah, taking that into account, Fallen Empires pretty clearly beats out Homelands.
So...Homelands for worst Magic set ever then? Kinda makes me wonder what the R&D team was thinking back then. The Dark, Fallen Empires, and Homelands all in succession, and only about 10 good cards between the three sets. :lol Dark times for Magic back then.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It was a totally different mindset then. It's evolved to where it is today, but the flavor of the game was more...gamey...than tournament and named decks like CawBlade and whatever. Sure, names eventually came to exist from certain builds - and I imagine the internet explosion and increased communication had a lot to do with that - but it's more that the game has changed.
Which is good, because look at the dozens of failed CCGs out there because they failed to evolve with their audience.
The game has gotten a LOT smarter, too. It's definitely not a game for idiots (social awkwardness still A-okay!) and the complexity has only gotten deeper. Compare the rulebooks that used to come with the 60 card pack boxes and compare the rulebook to today.
Man I don't need to hear things like this... my resolve is crumbling.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Y'know, it's kinda funny. I was just thinking today how I miss the simpler days of Magic. Maybe it just has a lot to do with the fact that there have been a ton of new abilities and rule changes since I last played seriously, but...I don't know. I still have this obsession with pre-Fallen Empires cards that I just can't shake. Same obsession I had back in 1997. Same with Revised and 4th Edition (though 4th was still around when I started, bought a LOT of boosters/starters of that). In retrospect, Magic was so much different back then. Of course, I also remember being around for the dawn of true "combo" decks, with Cadaverous Bloom. I think that's when the game really started to change. Everybody in my circle was suddenly obsessed with the Bloom deck and the possibilities behind it.
Actually, the evolution of Magic reminds me a lot of how fighting games have evolved over the years. Starts off simple and, as WW put it, "gamey", and eventually people start coming up with crazy advanced strategies and the game begins to change around that. It's a bit discouraging for someone like me, honestly. I've never been good at identifying combos and realizing their potential, in both Magic and fighting games, but I still love the premise and the actual act of playing the games. In fighters, I always have to rely on combo guides and such, and in Magic I always have to rely on deck lists. I don't think I've ever come up with my own deck that was anywhere near as good as a preconstructed/deck list/deck someone else built for me.
Damn. That was more rambling than I intended to do...
Actually, the evolution of Magic reminds me a lot of how fighting games have evolved over the years. Starts off simple and, as WW put it, "gamey", and eventually people start coming up with crazy advanced strategies and the game begins to change around that. It's a bit discouraging for someone like me, honestly. I've never been good at identifying combos and realizing their potential, in both Magic and fighting games, but I still love the premise and the actual act of playing the games. In fighters, I always have to rely on combo guides and such, and in Magic I always have to rely on deck lists. I don't think I've ever come up with my own deck that was anywhere near as good as a preconstructed/deck list/deck someone else built for me.
Damn. That was more rambling than I intended to do...
Doublethink
Banned
I actually think the game is simpler now for the strictly casual crowd. Creatures sucked so much and counters were so strong back then. Some of the players in my high school didn't even want to play me since my deck was stacked with things like Counterspells, Forbids, Mana Leaks, Force Spikes, etc. At least now the lower costed creatures have been beefed up and counters aren't as rampant.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
They rotate old sets online.
I want physical cards damnit!
I'd like them all for... something IRL? lol
Homelands is still available at a flea market stand around here for $2 a pack. Sheesh
Great cards in The Dark
Maze of Ith
Elves of Deep Shadow
Ball Lightning
Good cards in The Dark
Ashes to Ashes
Blood Moon
Dance of Many
Dark Heart of the Wood
Goblin Wizard
Mana Vortex
It's better than the other two sets lol
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Lol. I can't give up the game altogether. Too wrapped up in nostalgia for me.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Maybe I'm just bitter about that time that I bought a pack of The Dark for a ridiculous price and ended up getting nothing that hadn't been reprinted in Chronicles. :lol
But yeah, The Dark isn't as bad as Homelands and Fallen Empires, I suppose. Maze of Ith and Ball Lightning are pretty boss, at least. Elves of Deep Shadow has some awesome artwork, too.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ok, so illusion deck.
4 lords of unreal (suffah!)
4 phantom bears
4 phantom dragons
4 invisible stalkers
4 phantasmal images
4 phantom warriors
2 mind unbound
2 skaab ruinator
3 mana leak
2 cackling counterparts
Any suggestions for the last 5 cards?
4 lords of unreal (suffah!)
4 phantom bears
4 phantom dragons
4 invisible stalkers
4 phantasmal images
4 phantom warriors
2 mind unbound
2 skaab ruinator
3 mana leak
2 cackling counterparts
Any suggestions for the last 5 cards?
Wandering, why not add some Phyrexian Metamorphs?
The swords would kill some of his illusions if he targeted them though
5 swords?
The swords would kill some of his illusions if he targeted them though
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I might do that. Hex proof means I can still target my guys though right? So lord of unreal, then blammo.
Besides, I'm trading my swords to y2dvd.
Just found a stack of mental missteps and batter skulls. Stupid sexy banned cards
Yeah, but if you target a bear, even with hexproof, the trigger triggers and you have to sacrifice it.
Lord of the unreal keeps the other guy from killing your illusions, but you can still do it.
Equipment for those invisible stalkers. Swords are great but of course rare and expensive. A cheap and effective alternative is the Trepination Blade from Innistrad. Those things can be absolutely savage.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ah. Well, no swords then. Does that mean phantasmal image and crackling counterpart too? Of course it does. Dammit. MORE ILLUSIONS WOTC
Edit: Sin, good idea
You obviously need to convince Wizards to reprint Krovikan Mist.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Heh. I just boxed up a couple of those. Great card, but yeah...clearly broken as hell.
This is wrong actually. Hexproof prevents creatures from being the target of spells or abilites your opponent controls. It doesn't make things spellproof, it makes them untargetable.
EDIT: Of course you were referring to his own abilities/equipment and that is absolutely correct and I'm a putz. Feel free to ignore me.
I know I do.
It's been some time since I had a deck without ponder in it
And now with evolving winds, when you have the opportunity to draw a card and shuffle the rest. Ponder is too good.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'll give that a shot, thanks.
Oh, I never even considered using Evolving Wilds like that. I always just think of it as a "get the land I need" and never think of the shuffling component. Brilliant.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Guys, you didn't warn me that Phanthom Warrior is no more ... 
Guys, you didn't warn me that Phanthom Warrior is no more ...
Use Delver of Secrets instead of them. Just like ponder, everyone love Delver of Secrets.
Grand Architect is also a good option.
Boogalogist
Member
How about 4x Adaptive Automaton....a smaller version of Lord of Illusions.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Best. Idea. EVER
You can also use it a lot less effectively with Delver of Secrets. You look the top card, don't like what you see, shuffle with evolving wilds before draw phase. But this combo actually sucks because it means you planted a land that already couldn't be use on the turn before and now on this turn it will just be tapped. But who knows? Maybe some late game thing where you need that one card more than a land.
If he's playing blue he'd probably be better off going with Runechanter's Pike over Trep Blade IMO, especially if he's playing Ponder
Trep always runs into issues for me, and it never works the way I'd hope it would
Boogalogist
Member
Yeah we temporarily banned the Swords haha. Along with Time Stretch as well, after we played an 8 man game of EDH and one guy played it, and then the next guy copied a spell in an opponents graveyard. Game ruined!
Also, we drafted 2 packs Inni 1 pack DA, I ended up going for Spirits and tokens and lucked out that only one other played white. One and two drops smashed it, then flying spirit tokens did the rest. Moorland Haunt is pretty sweet too.
Also, we drafted 2 packs Inni 1 pack DA, I ended up going for Spirits and tokens and lucked out that only one other played white. One and two drops smashed it, then flying spirit tokens did the rest. Moorland Haunt is pretty sweet too.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So, there is no way to buy singles with MTGO (MODO, whatevs)?
acheron_xl
Member
There's no official store, but there's a healthy bot economy. Some bot families (the various Cardbot bots for example) keep track of stored credit, and as a result can deal cards with values in fractional tickets. A great many singles are dirt cheap due to market fluidity and supply.
Boogalogist
Member
I get some physical singles through ebay. While scouring through, I did notice some MtGO cards in their list. Not sure how reliable that is, since I'm not into MtGO.
Trading in mtgo is a nightmare.
acheron_xl
Member
Fragamemnon
Member
Deckbuilding and testing on MODO is amazing.
1) 24/7 Constructed Queues/Daily Events so you can test your creations.
2) 24/7 Bot trading so I can make and test tweaks constantly.
3) Pajamas, comfy couch.
the only big downers are: A) no real cubing, B) dead Legacy scene, and C) the monthly plague of multiqueuing right before the next round of MOCS QPs start accumulating.
I suggest finding a set of bots-the supernova bots, Marlon, or MTGOTraders that you work with for most commons/uncommons/rares and mythics from non-drafted sets, and use the classifieds to get currently drafted Mythics.
BTW if you are looking to get in DKA singles on MODO , the best time will be around the end of this weekend. Everyone is grinding release queues and there are no set redemptions for DKA yet, so there will be a glut of supply pushing down prices as people want to cash in their drafted cards for more packs to keep drafting with.
See parathesis above!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
When I get home, I'll have to add you to my buddy list. Maybe you can show me how to get started here.
You're the second person to throw up gutshot. It's a red card, right? That would throw off the gloom. Too bad MM is banned.
Are cards on MtG:O cheaper? I like the real thing because there's a store I play 5 minutes away, but I'm planning on moving comewhat soon and this would be great.
"You're the second person to throw up gutshot. It's a red card, right? That would throw off the gloom. Too bad MM is banned"
It's red, but you can pay with phyrexian mana, so you can just pay 2 life and use it.
"You're the second person to throw up gutshot. It's a red card, right? That would throw off the gloom. Too bad MM is banned"
It's red, but you can pay with phyrexian mana, so you can just pay 2 life and use it.
It's only banned in Modern.
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