Im pretty sure you cant even flash it back since zenith never hits the graveyard.
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Im pretty sure you cant even flash it back since zenith never hits the graveyard.
It can be milled or countered when first cast thus placing it in your graveyard.
Not sure, I played 2 matches, best of 3, won 1, lost the other and wound up winning 2 packs.
Gatekeeper
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Crushing vines and clinging mists should have been double wild hunger. Pump spells are equivalent to removal in this format.
I took the vines for some kind of anti air beyond the spider, but yea wild hunger would have been better. I did end up sideboarding in that other hunger of the howlpack which was great with the undying stuff.
Freakinchair
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I'm doing my first ever draft right (3 pk DA) now on MGO.
Won my first round, eep, so nervous!
My deck is completely awful, and I have nothing useful in my sideboard. I don't think I'm gonna last past the next round. Fingers crossed though.
This is a joke right? That's such a good drafted deck it's ridiculous. 3 Immerwolfs and 3 young wolfs makes me laugh - I'd be so mad if they were all played against me in a match.
If you have the two hungers in the deck, your deck actually isn't that bad. Also, the additional Hunger of the Howlpack should have been in. Just go straght up beatdown with the wolves and pump spells- the Undying makes it ridiculously good.
Ah, so Swiss then.
The formats are 8-4, 4-3-2-2 and Swiss. 8-4 means only the top two players get prizes, 4-3-2-2 means the top 4 players get prizes. In both these formats, you're kicked out after one loss.
In Swiss, you're awarded by how many matches you win, 2 boosters per win. This means you have 3 chances to get at least 2 boosters.
Actually he played 4-3-2-2 since he won 2 packs going 1-1.
Also, triple immy with friends....holy.
the_painted_bird
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MTGO looks great, wish I could play on my mac... fuckin' A.
Boogalogist
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Who plays EDH here?
I started with the precon Mimeo. Then built a non-Curiosity/Ophidian Eye Niv-Mizzet deck. Next up, Scion the Ur-Dragon, Azami and Edric!
I love the EDH format. Some cards you never thought of using in 60 card decks can suddenly be of much use in EDH!
I started with the precon Mimeo. Then built a non-Curiosity/Ophidian Eye Niv-Mizzet deck. Next up, Scion the Ur-Dragon, Azami and Edric!
I love the EDH format. Some cards you never thought of using in 60 card decks can suddenly be of much use in EDH!
Oh wait I see!
Play it, love it. I also started with precons, Political Puppets. Quickly built a Sharuum deck, liked the colors and the ability.
Working on a Ghave deck now. Love playing it, just so stupid once you get built up. They attack and I make some ridiculous sized saprolings to block, or with Requiem Angel out, some big ass spirits.
Also funny looking at cards like I did years ago again. Some big dumb mana-expensive creatures look really cool again since they can be played in EDH.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Got my Royal Assassin deck built, so far so good. Undefeated thus far (just casual games with friends, of course). Still, it's really a fun deck to play. Especially with Lorthos thrown into the mix. Hell, I realized in the middle of a game that I could use Merfolk Looter to discard him, then Rise From The Grave to get him out for 5 mana instead of the 8 he costs. Yeah, I'm sure it sounds like a "duh" strategy to most of Magic-GAF, but for me it was one of those "oh shit" moments. :lol
It's also an annoying deck to play against. As I found out when we switched decks and I had to play against it. :lol
It's also an annoying deck to play against. As I found out when we switched decks and I had to play against it. :lol
You can do some pretty gross things like that if you pass your first turn without laying a mana down then discard an 8th card, of course the 8th card being some kind of ridiculous fatty, then play something to bring him back from the grave on turn 3 or 4.
I use to be big into it, but recently have had a falling out due to money going to Standard. Last EDH I built was Bant Tokens. SO GOOD.
acheron_xl
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It's pretty much all I play on MTGO when I'm on. That and the occasional classic set draft.
My friend built an EDH deck which if he can pull a particular combo off, lets him attack for an infinity amount of time. One enchantment let's him pay mana to get an additional attacking phase. The other enchantment card let's him untap all his land whenever creature attacks. Cheap!
So I picked up the Spiraling Doom event deck. It's the shell of a Birthing Pod deck essentially.
I'm trying to tweak it up in a fairly cost efficient manner. I already ordered 2 more Pods to replace the Diabolic Tutors, and switched in Llanowar Elves for the Young Wolfs (because I'd rather have a turn 2 pod than an undying 1/1), and put a Sheoldred in place of the Myr Battlesphere as the top end of the creature chain. I'd like at least one more 6 CMC creature in there, but I unfortunately don't have any appropriate color Titans. I guess I could just throw in the other Brutalizer Exarch I have.
I honestly think this already will be more than fine for the generally casual way my friends and I play. So I don't want to spend much more money on it. I don't really have any plans to take it to FNM or anything anytime soon.
And am I wrong in thinking that having 2 Mimic Vats in the deck would be ever such fun?
I'm trying to tweak it up in a fairly cost efficient manner. I already ordered 2 more Pods to replace the Diabolic Tutors, and switched in Llanowar Elves for the Young Wolfs (because I'd rather have a turn 2 pod than an undying 1/1), and put a Sheoldred in place of the Myr Battlesphere as the top end of the creature chain. I'd like at least one more 6 CMC creature in there, but I unfortunately don't have any appropriate color Titans. I guess I could just throw in the other Brutalizer Exarch I have.
I honestly think this already will be more than fine for the generally casual way my friends and I play. So I don't want to spend much more money on it. I don't really have any plans to take it to FNM or anything anytime soon.
And am I wrong in thinking that having 2 Mimic Vats in the deck would be ever such fun?
Hmm, Wurmcoil would be quite nice.
I believe since Mimic Vat makes a token that is a copy of the card it gets everything including the CMC.
Edit: Yes.
From the Comprehensive Rules:
I stand corrected then. I still think the card is a 50/50 in this deck though. Since you exile the card for token creation purposes, you lose two cards if someone offs your Vat. For fun, I'd say go for it, but I don't know if that could work in this deck competitively.
Hey rules experts, here is a question for you from a situation that arose during my lunch game.
So I had Mikaeus the Unhallowed, Sheoldred, and a bunch of zombies out. So all my creatures (except Mikaeus) had undying.
My opponent casts Alpha Brawl on Sheoldred so it deals 7 (thanks to the +1 from Mik) to all my creatures then they all hit him.
Where we got confused was whether or not the Undying effect from Mikaeus would take effect or not. Do the creatures dying enter the stack one at a time? If so who choses the order the controller of the creatures or the guy who cast alpha brawl?
So I had Mikaeus the Unhallowed, Sheoldred, and a bunch of zombies out. So all my creatures (except Mikaeus) had undying.
My opponent casts Alpha Brawl on Sheoldred so it deals 7 (thanks to the +1 from Mik) to all my creatures then they all hit him.
Where we got confused was whether or not the Undying effect from Mikaeus would take effect or not. Do the creatures dying enter the stack one at a time? If so who choses the order the controller of the creatures or the guy who cast alpha brawl?
divisionbyzorro
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I hope I get this right!
1) Sheoldred deals 7 damage to your creatures.
1a) As per the gatherer ruling, state-based actions are not checked in between 1 and 2.
2) Your creatures all hit Sheoldred.
3) All creatures go to the graveyard simultaneously as a state-based action (lethal damage)
4) All of your creatures (aside from Mikaeus) had undying when that state check was made, so the undying abilities trigger when they hit the graveyard (based on last known information). You control the creatures, so you can decide the order in which the undying abilities will go on the stack (this may or may not be relevant).
5) Assuming nothing else happens, all of the undying abilities resolve.
That's how I figured it occured. Thanks!
Boogalogist
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I feel that Standard sucks more money than Legacy. You have to keep buying and the sets keep rotating.
Sounds like Nature's Will + Aggravated Assault / Hellkitecharger combo.
What I've learnt from EDH is that you need removals for all sorts of things. Creature removal, Enchantment removal, Artifact removal, Land removal....cause each of these permanents can be deadly, either on its own, or combo-ed together with some other card(s).
Besides removal, the other option would be disablers, like Nevermore, Strangehold, etc. But of course, if you're in color, there's always counterspells.
narcosis219
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3 DA draft is kind of painful. No removal makes bombs so good and it's kind of pointless once someone gets their bomb/semibomb out cuz you have to beat it down the hard way. Should have gotten an innistrad box instead
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Welp. I'm a dumbass. I mixed up the boxes going out to Technomancer and y2dvd. Problem is, the ones going to Technomancer weren't worth a whole lot. The ones going to y2dvd were.
So...in case anybody feels like I tried to rip them off, I wanted to air it publicly. 'tis a crime of sending out 5-6 boxes at a time and mixing up a couple of labels.
Mea Culpa.
So...in case anybody feels like I tried to rip them off, I wanted to air it publicly. 'tis a crime of sending out 5-6 boxes at a time and mixing up a couple of labels.
Mea Culpa.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, I opened my box and was like "the fuck?"
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Well, at least you're honest....a lesser man could have screwed me out of a bit of cash.
Now....how to best get the right cards to the right person?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Hopefully he'll PM me back and we'll work something out.
Standard does keep rotating but good Legacy cards are far too expensive for my taste. And I like the stability of Standard as oppose to the "If I don't have turn one victory then I just lose" mentality of Legacy.
Boogalogist
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Turn one victories are a propagated myth in Legacy and Vintage.
I think the worst part of Legacy is the whole "play blue or you're pretty much screwed" deal.
Although that might be outdated since from what I've seen it's Stoneforge Mystic who's dominating right now? What a broken card. But I don't follow Legacy very close, I think the Modern format is more fun since it starts around when I started playing Magic again.
Although that might be outdated since from what I've seen it's Stoneforge Mystic who's dominating right now? What a broken card. But I don't follow Legacy very close, I think the Modern format is more fun since it starts around when I started playing Magic again.
Boogalogist
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Actually, there are competitive decks in Legacy that don't have blue. Affinity, Dredge, Maverick, Zoo, Mono Red Painter, The Rock etc...
Legacy is known for a variety of decks...and not every one of them has Force of Will.
Legacy is known for a variety of decks...and not every one of them has Force of Will.
I defer to you, I don't play Legacy and that was merely an outsider's view.
BTW I really enjoyed this article by Patrick Chapin about the girls who recently top8ed tournaments: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/23688_Women_In_Magic_Moved_To_Select.html
BTW I really enjoyed this article by Patrick Chapin about the girls who recently top8ed tournaments: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/23688_Women_In_Magic_Moved_To_Select.html
You actually get one pack per win. Here's a chart of winnings and possible win/loss combinations; once your winrate hits ~50%, 8-4 and swiss become tied for best option, and 8-4 becomes the best by far if your winrate is over 50.
WWW 8, 4, 3
WWL 4, 3, 2
WLW 0, 2, 2
LWW 0, 0, 2
WLL 0, 2, 1
LWL 0, 0, 1
LLW 0, 0, 1
LLL 0, 0, 0
12 packs given out to the table in an 8-4, 11 given out in 4-3-2-2, 12 given out in swiss. If you're interested in going infinite, the average value of an opened pack is around $1.65 for most standard sets, meaning you have an effective entry fee of like ~7.55 for INN block drafts.....
tl;dr going infinite requires a pro tour player-high winrate. Even on heavy amounts of adderall it's really fucking hard.
Looking at cards on Ebay is bad for me.
I just went looking to get two more Birthing Pods. I've now ordered 5 things in the last two days. Thankfully no individual thing has been more than 5 bucks. And it all had free shipping. But I could see this rapidly spin out of control.
I just went looking to get two more Birthing Pods. I've now ordered 5 things in the last two days. Thankfully no individual thing has been more than 5 bucks. And it all had free shipping. But I could see this rapidly spin out of control.
I do think right now Modern is probably more exciting as its meta is constantly changing from week to week or even daily if you look at MTG Online tournaments.
But like the other guy said you can play non-bue decks and win in Legacy. In fact I think two or three recent SCG Opens were won by mono-red! That entire deck can be put together for 150 dollars or so.
Oh right! Does anyone want to trade or buy shit for cheap from a GAFfer? I have plenty of popular standard stuff, a pretty freakin' massive collection, and I'm looking to downsize and become an EDH-only player.
Just a few highlights from the standard binder:
Multi:
3 Falkenrath Aristocrat
6 Drogskol Captain
2 Drogskol Reaver
1 Geist of St. Traft
1 Foil Geist of St. Traft
1 Foil Drogskol Reaver
8 Diregraf Captain
Artifact:
2 Sword of War and Peace
2 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Wurmcoil Engine (foil promo, played)
2 Batterskull
4 Molten-Tail Masticore
50 Runechanter's Pike
3 Elbrus, the Binding Blade
2 Helvault
2 Lux Cannon
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Signal Pest
1 Hex Parasite
White:
4 Champion of the Parish
5 Mirran Crusader
4 Honor of the Pure
8 Oblivion Ring
2 Thalia, G. Of Thraben
3 Thraben Doomsayer, 1 FOIL
4 Dispatch
2 Elite Inquisitor
1 F. Sudden Disappearance (shitloads of nonfoils)
Blue:
2 Foil Concecrated Sphinx
2 Skaab Ruinator
4 Mental Misstep
Red:
2 Shrine of Burning Rage
3 Slagstorm
2 Spikeshot Elder
1 Hero of Oxid Ridge
1 Stormblood Berserker
4 Gut Shot
1 Foil Hellrider
4 Hellrider
2 Whipflare
4 Reckless Waif
Green:
2 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Strangleroot Geist
6 Birthing Pod
2 Predator Ooze
1 Foil Predator Ooze
4 Ghoultree
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Primeval Titan
1 Garruk Relentless
4 Beast Within
Black:
4 Gravecrawler
3 Geralf's Messenger
4 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon (1 foil)
2 Mikaeus the Unhallowed
2 Grave Titan
8 Necrotic Ooze
1 Surgical Extraction
2 Sorin Markov
2 Liliana Vess
1 Reaper of the Abyss
4 Go for the Throat
4 Heartless Summoning
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Army of the Damned
4 Unburial Rites
4 Dismember
Land:
2 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Vault of the Archangel
4 Woodland Cemetary
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Dragonskull Summit
3 Isolated Chapel
4 Hinterland Harbor
I also have playsets (usually multiple) of pretty much every common/unc in standard, especially innistrad block. Sooooo..... yeah. If you wanna buy, I'll sell below low on tcgplayer, and charge actual shipping.
Just a few highlights from the standard binder:
Multi:
3 Falkenrath Aristocrat
6 Drogskol Captain
2 Drogskol Reaver
1 Geist of St. Traft
1 Foil Geist of St. Traft
1 Foil Drogskol Reaver
8 Diregraf Captain
Artifact:
2 Sword of War and Peace
2 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Wurmcoil Engine (foil promo, played)
2 Batterskull
4 Molten-Tail Masticore
50 Runechanter's Pike
3 Elbrus, the Binding Blade
2 Helvault
2 Lux Cannon
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Signal Pest
1 Hex Parasite
White:
4 Champion of the Parish
5 Mirran Crusader
4 Honor of the Pure
8 Oblivion Ring
2 Thalia, G. Of Thraben
3 Thraben Doomsayer, 1 FOIL
4 Dispatch
2 Elite Inquisitor
1 F. Sudden Disappearance (shitloads of nonfoils)
Blue:
2 Foil Concecrated Sphinx
2 Skaab Ruinator
4 Mental Misstep
Red:
2 Shrine of Burning Rage
3 Slagstorm
2 Spikeshot Elder
1 Hero of Oxid Ridge
1 Stormblood Berserker
4 Gut Shot
1 Foil Hellrider
4 Hellrider
2 Whipflare
4 Reckless Waif
Green:
2 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Strangleroot Geist
6 Birthing Pod
2 Predator Ooze
1 Foil Predator Ooze
4 Ghoultree
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Primeval Titan
1 Garruk Relentless
4 Beast Within
Black:
4 Gravecrawler
3 Geralf's Messenger
4 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon (1 foil)
2 Mikaeus the Unhallowed
2 Grave Titan
8 Necrotic Ooze
1 Surgical Extraction
2 Sorin Markov
2 Liliana Vess
1 Reaper of the Abyss
4 Go for the Throat
4 Heartless Summoning
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Army of the Damned
4 Unburial Rites
4 Dismember
Land:
2 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Vault of the Archangel
4 Woodland Cemetary
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Dragonskull Summit
3 Isolated Chapel
4 Hinterland Harbor
I also have playsets (usually multiple) of pretty much every common/unc in standard, especially innistrad block. Sooooo..... yeah. If you wanna buy, I'll sell below low on tcgplayer, and charge actual shipping.
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