Keru_Shiri
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I'd love to see a Doubling Season reprint. The $25 it commands on SCG is a bit too much for my tastes.
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Keru_Shiri
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Yeah, I keep forgetting that Planeswalkers enter with double the number of starting loayalty counters with Doubling Season out.
The Technomancer
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A pic of it too:
Regardless, we'll learn soon enough if it's fake or not
Did they explain where they got it or why they only got the one card?
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/rootborn-defenses-return-to-ravnica/
Erenberger Bruce
My wife bought a sealed booster box from our local card shop. This was in the 3rd booster pack from the top. in a sealed pack. It was in place of where the land card would be, just after the rare. Its the only card that didn't belong out of the entire box, So I wasn't sure what to make of it. Who knows, maybe it will get printed correctly and I'll just have a unique card to myself.
Well, I still haven't ordered the cards I need for my decks yet... I decided to help my younger brothers out and get them some cards for the cube they're building, which has delayed things considerably - they're currently abroad, so it's difficult to talk to them
Why doesn't Channel Fireball's store save cart contents between sessions? It's a real pain to have to enter everything in again... It doesn't help that a bunch of the cards I wanted have gone out of stock since Monday when I started putting together my list.
Have any European MTG-Gaffers used MagicCardMarket.eu? I've had it recommended, and the prices seem pretty competitive (though international shipping is quite expensive, and you have to buy from as few sellers as possible to keep the shipping down).
And anyone know any good UK-based stores other than Magic Madhouse (nearly everything in stock, but high prices) and Bazaar Games (better prices, but smaller selection)? I tried buying some cards from Kool Kingdom as I had bought Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokémon cards from there years ago - they cancelled all the valuable cards in my order, and pointlessly shipped the cheap ones with recorded delivery. I'm definitely not ordering from there again :/
Why doesn't Channel Fireball's store save cart contents between sessions? It's a real pain to have to enter everything in again... It doesn't help that a bunch of the cards I wanted have gone out of stock since Monday when I started putting together my list.
Have any European MTG-Gaffers used MagicCardMarket.eu? I've had it recommended, and the prices seem pretty competitive (though international shipping is quite expensive, and you have to buy from as few sellers as possible to keep the shipping down).
And anyone know any good UK-based stores other than Magic Madhouse (nearly everything in stock, but high prices) and Bazaar Games (better prices, but smaller selection)? I tried buying some cards from Kool Kingdom as I had bought Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokémon cards from there years ago - they cancelled all the valuable cards in my order, and pointlessly shipped the cheap ones with recorded delivery. I'm definitely not ordering from there again :/
If it is a fake it's probably the most well done fake in years.
The artwork is from a known Magic artist in his style, has elements of Selesnya in the painting and the artwork is not available or found anywhere else.
The mechanic is cute enough to actually be the new GW mechanic and it meshes reasonably well with the original GW ability Convoke.
Most fakes are done at the rare or mythic level because it's easier to believe a busted/broken card. A decent limited common is much harder to do.
Right now I have no reason to not believe it's real.
The artwork is from a known Magic artist in his style, has elements of Selesnya in the painting and the artwork is not available or found anywhere else.
The mechanic is cute enough to actually be the new GW mechanic and it meshes reasonably well with the original GW ability Convoke.
Most fakes are done at the rare or mythic level because it's easier to believe a busted/broken card. A decent limited common is much harder to do.
Right now I have no reason to not believe it's real.
The Technomancer
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Yeah, I think the art is the clincher. For now it seems like its real.
Keru_Shiri
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Pretty much my exact thoughts on the matter.
Correct, it's likely to get reprinted, just not in a Standard-legal product.
The Technomancer
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Anything to drive down price. Its my favorite card of all time but my pure green thallids deck that contained both my copies got lost a few years ago
Price really isn't that big a deal w/ casual cards because it doesn't affect format accessibility. It's actually sort of a desired effect.Anything to drive down price. Its my favorite card of all time but my pure green thallids deck that contained both my copies got lost a few years ago
Anything to drive down price. Its my favorite card of all time but my pure green thallids deck that contained both my copies got lost a few years ago
I remember back when Ravnica had just been released, Doubling Season was my favourite card ever and I bought three copies, they were something like $5 apiece, but SOMEHOW I managed to lose two of them. I have no idea where I put them, I'm sure I didn't trade them but I can't find them anywhere.
The sole survivor is sleeved in my Ghave EDH.
I'm with you on all that but to play devil's advocate, how could one card from a future set months away show up in a sealed pack?
narcosis219
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They do print cards well before their release for testing, and it's not entirely impossible that the factory staff dropped a bunch of sheets, and accidentally moved an RtR sheet into the M13 stack. But then again, if it was an entire sheet, then we'd see a couple more of these boosters around (and probably in the same box too). Not entirely sure how they do the booster packs nowadays (since Innistrad block the way they do booster packs have changed, boxes can't be mapped like they could before anymore); perhaps their new method is having some growing pains and someone messed up.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Ya, doubling season will not be reprinted. Ulting Bolas or pretty much any planeswalker instantly and not killing the planeswalker is broken.
Why would it not die? I assume the reason Doubling Season is strong is because it lets their + abilities generate twice the amount of loyalty.
Keru_Shiri
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By the way it's worded, the PWs start with double their normal loyalty, so Nicol Bolas would actually come into play with 10 loyalty counters.
The set isn't that far out, it isn't out of the question that they are already printing the cards in prep for the launch.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Followed by? You would have to play the 5 mana card first... A Bolas deck is very possible right now, it's not that hard in a control deck to get to 5 mana.
Very few planeswalker will die when doubling their beginning count even if you ultimate.
narcosis219
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Better stock up on Geist of St. Traft.
If Rootborn Defenses is actually real (which it seems be be) then GoST is going to be even more killer.
GoST > Attack > Rootborn Defenses = congrats, your GoST and Angel token are now safe from combat tricks that were meant to take GoST out AND you get to keep the Angel token!
If Rootborn Defenses is actually real (which it seems be be) then GoST is going to be even more killer.
GoST > Attack > Rootborn Defenses = congrats, your GoST and Angel token are now safe from combat tricks that were meant to take GoST out AND you get to keep the Angel token!
My novice impression of the card is that, like you're saying with GoST, it's a combat trick. Your deck has to have spots where it's vulnerable to such things happening, along with worthwhile token targets, in order for this card to be any good.
Seems like that might be kinda tough to fit most decks' bill. edit: for now anyway we obviously can't see the rest of the set yet, so hard to see what kind of decks will show up featuring tokens.
Seems like that might be kinda tough to fit most decks' bill. edit: for now anyway
we obviously can't see the rest of the set yet, so hard to see what kind of decks will show up featuring tokens.Keru_Shiri
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The Technomancer
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Yeah. Funnily enough it doesn't actually double the loyalty they gain from abilities, as that loyalty is worded as a cost and Doubling Season only doubles effects.
In case anyone wants to read it, Brian Kibler is doing an AMA on reddit tomorrow (thread up now, will start answering stuff around noon tomorrow).
Doubling Season will double the amount of counters planeswalkers come into play with.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
My money is that the Rootbound Defenses card is either real, or that guy is getting pranked by somebody pretty hard. He seems legitimate that he opened that thing.
I had the rule wrong. But still, if you have room in a Grixis control deck for a 5 mana do-nothing enchantment your meta is shitty.
narcosis219
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No more flashing in Wolfir Avenger to surprise block a Geist.
Geist is going to be so hard to remove if Rootborn Defenses sees maindeck play.
Hexproof, indestructible, make an angel GODDAMN.
...the only answers to Geist with indestructible right now are like Geth's Verdict, Black Sun, Mutilate...Killing Wave...Terminus...Devastation Tide (lol?)... two of which are going to rotate by the time Rootborn comes along. Fuuuuuu there better be some answers to hexproof in RtR. I hate that keyword so much.
WotC's reaction is the giveaway here.
divisionbyzorro
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I'm less interested in this card in general, and more interested in the mechanic, and wondering what they'll attach it to. I want to see token decks just run out of control.
I've been running a Grixis control deck for a while, and I can safely say that even if Doubling Season was legal, I wouldn't even consider it.
I've been running a Grixis control deck for a while, and I can safely say that even if Doubling Season was legal, I wouldn't even consider it.
Keru_Shiri
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Yeah, I'm kinda sick of Hexproof also. Then again, I'm a Red guy, so I hate anything I can't burn away, haha. At least those stupid Swords will have rotated by then, also.
divisionbyzorro
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I've said it before, but I think that the problem with Hexproof isn't the keyworded ability, but the creatures they give it to.
Blue is a very interactive color, with counterspells, unsummons, deck manipulation, etc. It has some of the most consistent and broadly applicable spells. It should not also end up with hexproof creatures, otherwise you end up building decks where only one player can interact with the other (Invisible Stalker being one of the worst offenders).
Green, on the other hand, is typically not a very interactive color. It's very vulnerable to the more interactive colors, and as such I think it's fine for it get hexproof creatures. Cards like Thrun and Dungrove are just fine in my book.
Blue is a very interactive color, with counterspells, unsummons, deck manipulation, etc. It has some of the most consistent and broadly applicable spells. It should not also end up with hexproof creatures, otherwise you end up building decks where only one player can interact with the other (Invisible Stalker being one of the worst offenders).
Green, on the other hand, is typically not a very interactive color. It's very vulnerable to the more interactive colors, and as such I think it's fine for it get hexproof creatures. Cards like Thrun and Dungrove are just fine in my book.
It also fits green better flavorwise. Green should be a natural foil to blue's interactivity in many ways.
So after modifying my deck yesterday, I've made the following changes:
Maindeck
-2 Geth's Verdict
+2 Doom Blade (Will most likely replace with Go for the Throat)
Sideboard
-2 Doom Blade
-1 Cavern of Souls
+2 Geth's Verdict
+1 Killing Wave
Still debating whether or not to maindeck Killing Wave, and if I did, what to take out for it.
Maindeck
-2 Geth's Verdict
+2 Doom Blade (Will most likely replace with Go for the Throat)
Sideboard
-2 Doom Blade
-1 Cavern of Souls
+2 Geth's Verdict
+1 Killing Wave
Still debating whether or not to maindeck Killing Wave, and if I did, what to take out for it.
What's the best way to get actually into the physical card game? I have been playing it on steam and really like it but I want to actually try the physical game. I picked up some of the new player "packs" at Target and a box that came with some land and expansion packs. Do I need to buy any of the old cards or is the Magic 2013 set and the new sets that come out enough?
Thanks!
Thanks!
The Technomancer
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It depends entirely on what you want to do. Do you want to just play casually with friends or do you want to go to your local store and play in weekly events and stuff?
Find a local store that runs FNM, I'm sure they'd be happy to help.
Getting a deck builders toolkit is also a really good idea, also, wait for the RtR Event Decks to come out so you can get a nice standard deck going.
Also, try to avoid the Friday Night Magic crowd unless you are certain you have a good deck
Even their "off" decks are usually much better then anything you could make in the beginning
Also, start thinking of ideas of build decks around. Gatherer is your best friend in this regard
also, get your friends into magic, if you have no one to play with, you won't improve and you'll become stagnated with it
Also, try to avoid the Friday Night Magic crowd unless you are certain you have a good deck
Even their "off" decks are usually much better then anything you could make in the beginning
Also, start thinking of ideas of build decks around. Gatherer is your best friend in this regard
also, get your friends into magic, if you have no one to play with, you won't improve and you'll become stagnated with it
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
If you're serious about wanting to play PM me. I have a nice starters kit of cards for ya.
It's a shame m12 is not going to be standard soon, I would've loved to build a deck around
Stonehorn Dignitary and Conjurer's Closet
not the best combo obviously, but it would be cool as hell to see it work
Stonehorn Dignitary and Conjurer's Closet
not the best combo obviously, but it would be cool as hell to see it work
Had it done to me a few times in the Just for Fun MODO room. I always get salty at the kids that play only single games with jank like that!
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