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[BlewHedgehog]

Is it really awkward that these sweet (presumably staple) removal spells are taking up rare slots? Sure, they're good, but it's hard to believe they'd warp limited enough to justify being better than uncommon. Guess just because rare isn't what it used to be?

A Blue-Red spell that says "Counter target instant or sorcery spell and put a copy of it onto the stack under your control. You may choose new targets for the copy."

I hope there's some counter that has a cool additional effect which makes it worth targeting these uncounterable spells anyway. For some reason, the interaction between Absorb and Urza's Rage back in Invasion was really memorable to me. I'd hoped to get the chance to Mana Leak a creature cast with Cavern of Souls just to make my Runechanter's Pike lethal at some point, but alas. It never happened =(

 

[kirblar]

Is it really awkward that these sweet (presumably staple) removal spells are taking up rare slots? Sure, they're good, but it's hard to believe they'd warp limited enough to justify being better than uncommon. Guess just because rare isn't what it used to be?

Not really. This set has a billion good cards in it that will help reduce their overall price level once supply shortages dissipate.

 

[BlewHedgehog]

Not really. This set has a billion good cards in it that will help reduce their overall price level once supply shortages dissipate.

Fair. I guess I just don't see why that decision would be made. Dreadbore is just a bad Terminate in limited. We've all opened bad rares in our time, but I would rather that spot be something that is at least unique. Both of these cards are comparable in purpose and power level to Oblivion Ring.

 

[Negator]

Preordered two Lotleth Troll and two Jared just in case I don't open any in my box.

 

[ZZMitch]

I think I will wait until the set comes out before I buy any individual cards.

 

[tch]

Hnnngggg. This card is nuts. I am afraid what the price will be due to it being a FUCKING cross-format ALL-STAR
I was building a bg zombie deck with rancor before RTR spoilers and goddamn are there some amazing additions.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I think I will wait until the set comes out before I buy any individual cards.

Ya, only thing I'm even considering is Isperia, the rest I'll wait until prices stabilize.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Hot damn. Control decks have so many good tools coming up in this set; I have no idea where I'm even going to start.

When I saw Dreadbore, Slaughter Games, and Mizzum Mortars, I thought for sure I was staying Grixis. Now I could just as easily go BUG, Junk, UW, etc. It's going to take a while to figure out what the best control strategy is going to be.

 

[f0rk]

I think you want Thragtusk as he does so much work, but I'm not sure what else. There are a lot of options to start with definitely.

The can't counter clauses are weird aa thet aren't really relevant right now. With cards to come I wonder if UR Delver is going to get mad tools as well as Izzet Charm and they wanted to make it worse, or they are going to print a new counter spell.

 

[Neverender]

I just bought the Magic 2013 XBLA game, and having never had any experience with Magic before, I think I'm hooked.

 

[acheron_xl]

Ok. Played one Commander game with the beta MTGO client, and wow is it a clusterfuck. I don't know if it is optimized for a duel, but having to horizontally scroll across a field of unscalable cards in a multiplayer game is a disaster. There's no way to assess the game state a glance. I hope they don't kill the old client for a while, because the new one still has a ways to go.

 

[Venfayth]

Ok. Played one Commander game with the beta MTGO client, and wow is it a clusterfuck. I don't know if it is optimized for a duel, but having to horizontally scroll across a field of unscalable cards in a multiplayer game is a disaster. There's no way to assess the game state a glance. I hope they don't kill the old client for a while, because the new one still has a ways to go.

Ugh, that was another thing I complained about during the preview event. Maybe I didn't scream loud enough. Is there a zone for your commander and a way to tell when it's active?

 

[WanderingWind]

I just bought the Magic 2013 XBLA game, and having never had any experience with Magic before, I think I'm hooked.

Enjoy! And if you run into a roadblock, play the goblin deck. It's easy mode.

Ok. Played one Commander game with the beta MTGO client, and wow is it a clusterfuck. I don't know if it is optimized for a duel, but having to horizontally scroll across a field of unscalable cards in a multiplayer game is a disaster. There's no way to assess the game state a glance. I hope they don't kill the old client for a while, because the new one still has a ways to go.

Yeah, just fired it up. It's a hot mess right now. For instance, if you have cards in a deck, it won't show up in your collection some of the time as you owning the card. I own 4 rancors, but they're in several decks that were imported from the old client. Nothing I could do would make them show up in my collection. Yet, there they are, playable and everything.

...and there is no real bug reporting feature. The super unhelpful ORCs are just pointing people toward the "this player was mean to me" reporting page that gets you a blanket response.

 

[ultron87]

Lol at new MGO client.

How is Wizards so catastrophically bad at developing software?

 

[kirblar]

Lol at new MGO client.

How is Wizards so catastrophically bad at developing software?

Because they have like 0 people.

 

[WanderingWind]

I am a bit concerned about the future of the client. Some other bits that are odd is the card preview isn't dockable. So on large screens, you either have a giant floating card hiding everything, or nothing. And the zoom levels are broken. You also can't multitask any longer, like watching a game and chatting at the same time. You can't trade with buddies. You have to search them and then trade.

It is prettier.

 

[y2dvd]

I just bought the Magic 2013 XBLA game, and having never had any experience with Magic before, I think I'm hooked.

If you get into paper magic, prepare to drop some pretty pennies on it!

 

[bigkrev]

I just bought the Magic 2013 XBLA game, and having never had any experience with Magic before, I think I'm hooked.

Congrats! If you want to jump a little bit further down the rabbit hole, you should see if a store near you is hosting a Magic Celebration this week- http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/211d

Its free cards, and a nice, easy way to meet other people that also play Magic!

 

[ZZMitch]

I just bought the Magic 2013 XBLA game, and having never had any experience with Magic before, I think I'm hooked.

I actually just bought this too, I wonder if any store still have that free 6 card booster for it heh.

 

[ultron87]

I actually just bought this too, I wonder if any store still have that free 6 card booster for it heh.

Pretty unlikely.

What you should do is go to the enter Promo code screen in the game (I think it is under Extras or Store) and enter these codes:

1 - WMKFGC
2 - KWPMZW
3 - FNMDGP
4 - MWTMJP
5 - FXGJDW
6 - GDZDJC
7 - HTRNPW
8 - NCTFJN
9 - PCNKGR
10 - GPCRSX

They each unlock one card per deck that can't be unlocked normally. In some cases the cards you get are really really good.

 

[ZZMitch]

Pretty unlikely.

What you should do is go to the enter Promo code screen in the game (I think it is under Extras or Store) and enter these codes:

1 - WMKFGC
2 - KWPMZW
3 - FNMDGP
4 - MWTMJP
5 - FXGJDW
6 - GDZDJC
7 - HTRNPW
8 - NCTFJN
9 - PCNKGR
10 - GPCRSX

They each unlock one card per deck that can't be unlocked normally. In some cases the cards you get are really really good.

My Xbox is actually packed up at the moment (flying back to school on Saturday), but I will be sure to do this when I have it all set up again!

Thanks

 

[Kurtofan]

Maro confirmed there's a rare multicolor uncounterable cycle.

 

[Volimar]

Congrats! If you want to jump a little bit further down the rabbit hole, you should see if a store near you is hosting a Magic Celebration this week- http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/211d

Its free cards, and a nice, easy way to meet other people that also play Magic!

My local shop just dropped out of the promotion, and the next closest one is over 20 miles further away. Dammit.

Pretty unlikely.

What you should do is go to the enter Promo code screen in the game (I think it is under Extras or Store) and enter these codes:

1 - WMKFGC
2 - KWPMZW
3 - FNMDGP
4 - MWTMJP
5 - FXGJDW
6 - GDZDJC
7 - HTRNPW
8 - NCTFJN
9 - PCNKGR
10 - GPCRSX

They each unlock one card per deck that can't be unlocked normally. In some cases the cards you get are really really good.

Wow that's pretty cool. I had the original DotP for the 360 and then I won 2012 for PC (I actually got two codes for it, because of a screw up with the emails [their fault, not mine], and I gave the second code away here on GAF), but I just don't have the money for the latest edition. Sucks.

 

[OnPoint]

Maro confirmed there's a rare multicolor uncounterable cycle.

Given the couple we've seen already it's not incredibly surprising, honestly. I welcome it. I'm sick of counterspells.

 

[bigkrev]

Maro confirmed there's a rare multicolor uncounterable cycle.

So this all but confirms that Izzit is getting RU Uncouterable Counter Target Spell, right?

 

[rexor0717]

So this all but confirms that Izzit is getting RU Uncouterable Counter Target Spell, right?

Uncountable draw/burn? I hope so.

 

[joelseph]

Uncouterable Counter Target Spell, right?

But that is just silly. What's next? Uncouterable Counter spell that can't be countered by uncounterable counter spell?

 

[WanderingWind]

R/U Force of Will

 

[rexor0717]

Draw might lack interactivity, I'd say burn or bounce, maybe something like Threaten. Bounce seems boring at first though, so maybe burn.

Yeah, we are pretty early in the spoilers, but so far all we've seen from Izzet is burn. They did have stuff like Invoke the Firemind before, but as far as I can tell, Izzet may be going in a different direction.

 

[bigkrev]

But that is just silly. What's next? Uncouterable Counter spell that can't be countered by uncounterable counter spell?

Its not like they haven't done an uncounterable Counterspell before....

R/U Force of Will

I don't know.... There needs to be something between Force of Will (overpowered) and Foil (underpowered). I don't know if R/U is the way to do that

 

[zethren]

Burn draw uncounterable spell seems reasonable.

UR
Sorcery

Cannot be countered.

3 damage to target creature or player.
Draw 3 cards.

 

[Haly]

Seems perfectly reasonable.

I can't wait for

~
WG
Instant
~ can't be countered by spells or abilities.

Target creature gets +4/+4 until end of turn.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

It will be a counterspell that can only counter uncounterable spells.

 

[f0rk]

Burn draw uncounterable spell seems reasonable.

UR
Sorcery

Cannot be countered.

3 damage to target creature or player.
Draw 3 cards.

Not sure if your serious but that card would be ridiculous.

 

[OnPoint]

Burn draw uncounterable spell seems reasonable.

UR
Sorcery

Cannot be countered.

3 damage to target creature or player.
Draw 3 cards.

$80 - $100 in under a year. That card would be nuts.

Here's how I'd balance that.

Zetheren's Idea Realistically

2UR
Instant

Cannot be countered by spells or abilities.
Deal 2 damage to target creature or player
Draw 2 cards

Except it would probably be a sorcery. I just want it to be an instant lol

 

[Keru_Shiri]

Not sure if your serious but that card would be ridiculous.

If you think that's bad, just wait for the Dimir version

UB
Sorcery

Can't be countered

Draw 3 cards, then add BBB to your mana pool.

 

[ultron87]

It would be kind of hilarious if they just said fuck it and finished the implied cycle that Lightning Helix starts.

 

[Haly]

2UB
Sorcery

Can't be countered

Target player puts the top thirty cards of his library into his graveyard.

 

[OnPoint]

2UB
Sorcery

Can't be countered

Target player puts the top thiry cards of his library into his graveyard.

I want this card.

 

[bigkrev]

Seems perfectly reasonable.

I can't wait for

~
WG
Instant
~ can't be countered by spells or abilities.

Target creature gets +4/+4 until end of turn.

C'mon it wont be THAT bad...

~
WG
Instant
~ can't be countered by spells or abilities.

Untap target creature, and gets +4/+4 until end of turn.

 

[kirblar]

Yeah, these have not been charm/command style effects- these are one shot simple "boom goes the dynamite" style cards.

 

[Haly]

I wonder, since Golgari is going to be the +1/+1 guild of the block, what will Simic do?

 

[Kurtofan]

I wonder, since Golgari is going to be the +1/+1 guild of the block, what will Simic do?

Well they weren't going to get the same mechanic anyway.

 

[OnPoint]

That card seems to versatile for the cycle, essentially Shock+Concentrate combined on an Instant. Given Lightning Helix I suppose something like the following is possible:

UR
Instant
~ cannot be countered by spells or abilities.
~ deals 3 damage to target creature or player.

Of course it's possible they'll simply modify Electrolyze.

I was trying to find the balanced ground between combining Ancestral Recall and Lightning Bolt, but it's more difficult than you'd imagine.

 

[bigkrev]

I wonder, since Golgari is going to be the +1/+1 guild of the block, what will Simic do?

Uncounterable Polymorph for 1UG. Fits the theme of the guild, and would be a nice to have a tournament playable version of this card in Standard

 

[Haly]

Well they weren't going to get the same mechanic anyway.

Right, but flavorwise Graft really fit Simic well.

Uncounterable Polymorph for 1UG. Fits the theme of the guild, and would be a nice to have a tournament playable version of this card in Standard

I'd like this, every creature a mini-Pod.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

2UB
Sorcery

Can't be countered

Target player puts the top thirty cards of his library into his graveyard.

More like

2 colorless

Can't be countered

Search target player's deck, hand,and graveyard for a zombie, if a zombie is found that player loses the game.

;D

 

[WanderingWind]

More like

2 colorless

Can't be countered

Search target player's deck, hand,and graveyard for a zombie, if a zombie is found that player loses the game.

;D

Face it, the G/B WanderingWind zombie archetype is going to be rocking faces for a while. Just let it happen

 

[tch]

Right, but flavorwise Graft really fit Simic well.

It did fit the cytoplasts that Simic utilized. However, all of the cytoplast is (presumably) gone for good, along with Kraj, may he rest in peace.

It will be interesting to see how the Simic are portrayed now after such huge changes.

 

[Haly]

Oh right, I forget about the plot sometimes.