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Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
It is unusual but most cards drop well under preorder price within a month of coming out. The innistrad were high and then drop to the $9-$10 range and most others. Especially this late they're already upping prices. You can guess and hope it pays off but still doesn't change the fact that unless you need the card right away it will almost always drop. Duals jumped from $10-$12 to around $15+ for most of them, like all preorders, if you wanted in you should have by now. Most are overvalued now. Not to mention some of your valuations that you're using are beyond silly. You really think vraska is worth anything near the $40 they preorder for? That's skewing your prices so hard on mythics and he's going to drop instantly from that point, even freaking ajani people were going apeshit for is under $20 now.
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No, I don't. That's the entire point of my post. Please read it.
 
From a retailer perspective, our allocations have been cut on this set by 10-15 percent. It fits with everything we're hearing and matches the hype. There will likely be a product shortage for this set that hasn't been seen since Magic 2010. It's quite possible that singles prices jump after release.
 
Gatekeeper said:
From a retailer perspective, our allocations have been cut on this set by 10-15 percent. It fits with everything we're hearing and matches the hype. There will likely be a product shortage for this set that hasn't been seen since Magic 2010. It's quite possible that singles prices jump after release.
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Interesting...

*preorders more*
 
Gatekeeper said:
From a retailer perspective, our allocations have been cut on this set by 10-15 percent. It fits with everything we're hearing and matches the hype. There will likely be a product shortage for this set that hasn't been seen since Magic 2010. It's quite possible that singles prices jump after release.
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Which is a load of horseshit. Artificial inflation of prices almost always come back to bite niche companies in the ass.

Shit like this will make them lose their new fanbase they're so very proud of.
 
WanderingWind said:
Which is a load of horseshit. Artificial inflation of prices almost always come back to bite niche companies in the ass.

Shit like this will make them lose their new fanbase they're so very proud of.
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It's not artificial- it's that they do multiple print runs. Happened last year too.
 
kirblar said:
It's not artificial- it's that they do multiple print runs. Happened last year too.
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People who aren't familiar with print runs will just know one thing. They won't be able to buy the product on release day.

That splits the base into 2 groups. One which will be more excited and continue to frequent the store in hopes of scoring a legit purchase, and and the other which will decide it's not worth it and just drop the hobby. Guess which camp people who picked up due to DotP will likely fall under.

It's not as if WotC wasn't aware of the popularity of Ravnica or the demand that things like shocklands would generate among hardcore enthusiasts. If they're dropping preorder allocations, they're going to lose new business, guaranteed.
 
WanderingWind said:
People who aren't familiar with print runs will just know one thing. They won't be able to buy the product on release day.

That splits the base into 2 groups. One which will be more excited and continue to frequent the store in hopes of scoring a legit purchase, and and the other which will decide it's not worth it and just drop the hobby. Guess which camp people who picked up due to DotP will likely fall under.

It's not as if WotC wasn't aware of the popularity of Ravnica or the demand that things like shocklands would generate among hardcore enthusiasts. If they're dropping preorder allocations, they're going to lose new business, guaranteed.
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I haven't heard anything about Wizards Direct dropping pre-order allocations, but you can only order directly from Wizards if you meet certain requirements. It could be that wholesalers like ACD, Alliance, etc. are reducing their allocations, due to having more demand from their clients than expected.

I have a friend who runs a hobby shop and he gets from Wizards Direct as well as a few other distributors. He hasn't mentioned anything about any allocation changes in the last couple of days.
 
WanderingWind said:
People who aren't familiar with print runs will just know one thing. They won't be able to buy the product on release day.

That splits the base into 2 groups. One which will be more excited and continue to frequent the store in hopes of scoring a legit purchase, and and the other which will decide it's not worth it and just drop the hobby. Guess which camp people who picked up due to DotP will likely fall under.

It's not as if WotC wasn't aware of the popularity of Ravnica or the demand that things like shocklands would generate among hardcore enthusiasts. If they're dropping preorder allocations, they're going to lose new business, guaranteed.
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To address the bolded, I don't think it will hurt as much as you might think. The newbies are about as likely to pick-up M13 or even Avacyn Restored (which wouldn't be a bad investment even) even if they find RtR on the shelves. This is based on anecdotal evidence, mind you.

It will be a long time before Wizards floods a market with product. They still remember the fiasco surrounding Fallen Empires and Homelands.
 
ultron87 said:
Just split boxes and draft with people. Best solution for everyone.
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Usually the best answer, but there's enough stuff already that I want that I'll get a whole box to myself lol. I'm actually considering of splitting a box and sharing rares one at a time like one of yall suggested before. M13 did me bad on the split. I wanna make sure I get a good split this time lol.
 
Yeef said:
I haven't heard anything about Wizards Direct dropping pre-order allocations, but you can only order directly from Wizards if you meet certain requirements. It could be that wholesalers like ACD, Alliance, etc. are reducing their allocations, due to having more demand from their clients than expected.

I have a friend who runs a hobby shop and he gets from Wizards Direct as well as a few other distributors. He hasn't mentioned anything about any allocation changes in the last couple of days.
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I hadn't heard of it either, locally. But that would explain why it's pay-up-front preordering this time around. And gatekeeper is a store owner. WHO STILL NEEDS TO FRANCHISE BTW.

Keru_Shiri said:
To address the bolded, I don't think it will hurt as much as you might think. The newbies are about as likely to pick-up M13 or even Avacyn Restored (which wouldn't be a bad investment even) even if they find RtR on the shelves. This is based on anecdotal evidence, mind you.

It will be a long time before Wizards floods a market with product. They still remember the fiasco surrounding Fallen Empires and Homelands.
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Yeah, but it's a balance. Thing. IF it's true that they're purposely holding back product, that's equally damaging.
 
WanderingWind said:
People who aren't familiar with print runs will just know one thing. They won't be able to buy the product on release day.

That splits the base into 2 groups. One which will be more excited and continue to frequent the store in hopes of scoring a legit purchase, and and the other which will decide it's not worth it and just drop the hobby. Guess which camp people who picked up due to DotP will likely fall under.

It's not as if WotC wasn't aware of the popularity of Ravnica or the demand that things like shocklands would generate among hardcore enthusiasts. If they're dropping preorder allocations, they're going to lose new business, guaranteed.
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It's fine. Outside of SCG and a Modern PT/GP, all the other tournaments in the month after the set releases are limited. The prices will drop by the time constructed is truly relevant.
 
Gatekeeper said:
From a retailer perspective, our allocations have been cut on this set by 10-15 percent. It fits with everything we're hearing and matches the hype. There will likely be a product shortage for this set that hasn't been seen since Magic 2010. It's quite possible that singles prices jump after release.
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What benefit does artificially inflating the price of singles have for Hasbro? I am betting it is business like usual, stock flooding every Walgret and LGS from coast to coast.
 
Jarate said:
also, why are box pre-orders at 120 instead of 100?

ive never seen magic inflation this bad in my life.

I think this is people trying to get the new bonfire though
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It's kind of funny with avacyn and stuff everyone was trying to undercut each other now it seems like it's who can make it even more expensive than the next person. I'll just need a couple rares for gameday if it's a good card but other than that I don't mind waiting until it evens out like with innistrad.


joelseph said:
What benefit does artificially inflating the price of singles have for Hasbro? I am betting it is business like usual, stock flooding every Walgret and LGS from coast to coast.
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In an awkward way it makes the set more desirable by being "worth" more.
 
I think I'm cracking and getting 3 jaces and the 4 green/white shocklands. I wish I would have jumped on the blue/white but they're too pricey and I'm hoping green/white is still a thing after rotation.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
In an awkward way it makes the set more desirable by being "worth" more.
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I can see that but artificially inflating the price of singles by limiting initial stock to drive demand sounds counter productive. The best case scenario IMO would be to flood the market with stock that contains a must have card. I bet some of us are still buying AVR hoping to crack Bonfires.
 
joelseph said:
I can see that but artificially inflating the price of singles by limiting initial stock to drive demand sounds counter productive. The best case scenario IMO would be to flood the market with stock that contains a must have card. I bet some of us are still buying AVR hoping to crack Bonfires.
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Sure, but if it's diluted too much it devalues the cards and less people want to buy boxes. And at least if it's hard early on then people are more likely to buy more and horde in fear.
 
Yes, when it comes to collectibles, there is a balance to be had if you're interested in making money and continue to create your product.

Too much and you devalue everything. Too little and you become a super-niche product only suitable for the hardcore.
 
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six mana. I know it's basically a removal spell when your opponent attacks into it (kind of like Plumeveil was), but it's a good one extra mana to be viable outside of draft.

In limited it is interesting because it's a six mana trick, which means that you will never actually trick anyone with it.
 
Fairie Invaders didn't end up being anything special in M13 draft so a more expensive version of that doesn't seem great. It is of course completely unplayable in constructed.
 
OnPoint said:
Why the hell is it six mana? It should have been 3UU. And even then it's worse than a Resto Angel that doesn't have a target to blink.

I thought they'd scale the six-drop slot back slowly... they really regret the Titan cycle in R&D, don't they?
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It's uncommon. Not a mythic rare. 6 mana for that card is fine for limited.
 
Sinatar said:
You guys stock up on Lumberknots yet? I have a feeling he's going to be an allstar in Golgari decks.

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He's too expensive to be relevant. If you have creatures on board that can die to pump him you're probably winning anyway. Disciple of Bolas is better I think.
 
Wow, neither did I. hahaha.

Oh man I am so pumped for this set. I already know I'm buying one box, and then I think me and my friends are gonna split another box to draft with. I'm a little dissapointed with the pre-release promos, considering they are just the intro pack rares. Still not sure if I wanna go Selesnya, so its easy for me to either add in golgari or azorius, or if I wanna go Golgari, so its easy for me to add in rakdos or selesnya.
 
I'm so bummed that our local place bowed out of the event tomorrow. I was going to take my nephew, get some free cards, play a bit.

Poo
 
WanderingWind said:
Which is a load of horseshit. Artificial inflation of prices almost always come back to bite niche companies in the ass.

Shit like this will make them lose their new fanbase they're so very proud of.
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It's not that they're being cut after we were told what we'd get. It's that what we're being told we can get is less than normal to meet the increased demand. Stores will sell out quick and they'll all hit distributors to get more and they won't be able to fill as many restock orders as usual.
 
Gatekeeper said:
It's not that their being cut after we were told what we'd get. It's that what we're being told we can get is less than normal to meet the increased demand. Stores will sell out quick and they'll all hit distributors to get more and they won't be able to fill as many restock orders as usual.
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I figured. Again, it's not as if this is unexpected for WotC or Hasbro.

Anyway, bought the Golgari vs Izzet duel deck and a pack of AVR.

Opened a Bonfire.

LML.
 
so what's the magic celebration thing all about? I want a free pack of cards...but I also don't want to miss watching my Seattle Sounders.
 
I think I may be switching to online only soon, I'm starting to really like my LGS. They started doing lower payouts for winning at prereleases and they changed standard promos so now only top 2 get promos and the other 2 are given away "at random" which equates to two shitty players they feel sorry for. Such BS and most of my cards rotated so I'm thinking I might just sell them and do online only now.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
I think I may be switching to online only soon, I'm starting to really like my LGS. They started doing lower payouts for winning at prereleases and they changed standard promos so now only top 2 get promos and the other 2 are given away "at random" which equates to two shitty players they feel sorry for. Such BS and most of my cards rotated so I'm thinking I might just sell them and do online only now.
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Do it, so I can kick your ass with my zombies and make you see the light.
 
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