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No, but turn 5 seems safe to me.
divisionbyzorro
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Doh! Shouldn't try to post from my mobile phone.
EDIT: On a different topic - did I (or the commentators) miss something, or was that really just an epic punt in that last quarterfinals game? With the missed Vendillion Clique trigger?
I'm looking at the list of timeshifted cards from Time Spiral and there's a bunch that could be reprinted in Modern Masters for non-foil new frame. Screw Modern, I have EDH/casual in mind.
Pendelhaven for instance is one of the cards I like to put in several decks but I only have FNM foils, and they bend. Mystic Snake (please wotc PLEASE), Gemstone Mine, Akroma, Gaea's Blessing and Pandemonium also come to mind.
Pendelhaven for instance is one of the cards I like to put in several decks but I only have FNM foils, and they bend. Mystic Snake (please wotc PLEASE), Gemstone Mine, Akroma, Gaea's Blessing and Pandemonium also come to mind.
Super epic puntDoh! Shouldn't try to post from my mobile phone.
EDIT: On a different topic - did I (or the commentators) miss something, or was that really just an epic punt in that last quarterfinals game? With the missed Vendillion Clique trigger?
Keru_Shiri
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I'm looking over a Legacy Eggs deck. How does that deck work, exactly?
acheron_xl
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I'd really love to draft some Modern Masters too, but considering they're announcing it now for a release 7+ months away, on top of shortprinting it, I don't expect to ever see any. Is there a place on Earth that's going to have packs for sale at MSRP?
I'm sure they're releasing it online too, but most cards are probably already cheap, and I can kinda get a similar experience drafting cube.
Whatever. Hope it works out for them.
I'm sure they're releasing it online too, but most cards are probably already cheap, and I can kinda get a similar experience drafting cube.
Whatever. Hope it works out for them.
I'm chalking it up like I do the "From the Vault" series'. I'm never going to get it, and that's alright.
It's not even going to be released here, I'd have to import boxes from America (= astronomical shipping costs and taxes).
It will be a lot more available than FTV. Limited runs arent all created equal.
Perhaps, but at $7 a pack I don't know how much I can afford. It's just starting to feel more and more expensive to buy cards... I feel like I'm going to take a break from buying for a good long time at this pace.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
They're going to be in for a rude awakening if they don't approach the future with care. Right now, MTG is sort of faddish, thanks to DotP. They admit as such all the time, but without recognizing that the upswing will carry with it a massive downswing, and it's stuff like this that will expedite it.
I can afford to buy a box or two of MM, no problem. But when casuals start to see that they're really not wanted ("We're trying to keep this product out of the hands of newer players") then it doesn't exactly engender goodwill. There are too many premium products flooding the market with no control over it. FTV. Commander's Aresenal. Limited promos. Helvault/Guild promotions that not everybody could get. Modern Masters.
When your core business model is shouting at new players to basically get the fuck out, you're not going to continue the success that they're helping to provide.
acheron_xl
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This is why I'm glad I got out of paper and out of tourney Magic a decade ago. Add mythics to the mix, and I can't imagine what I would be spending these days if I wanted to stay on top of things in paper. Getting my jollies online and sticking to EDH and odd limited formats is much more my speed.
I don't really think their core has changed as much as they've started actively catering to the hardcore now through means other than "buy a shitload of boosters".
I read in a recent forbes article on RtR (sorry can't find the exact one) that Hasbro has positioned MTG in the male 30-35 demographic, which is known to spend and spend big. Perhaps new "casuals" can afford to buy a box or two of MM just like you? I'm 32, started playing Magic last year and spend large sums of money for packs, singles and premium content alike.
I think that this is a misinterpretation.
They do not want it in the hands of newer players because it would cause too much confusion.
"Wait I can't use this when I play on friday night? Why did I buy it?"
"What is modern ...what is standard?"
Having two booster formats out at the same time can cause issues to casuals and newer players.
A player who knows what modern is, will know what these are and how to get them.
They should not be at Walmart and Target, and they are limiting them to try and keep some value to what is out there.
But they are not excluding anyone, they are trying to head off issues with people getting confused.
I personally do not care about modern at this time, even less after watching that shit Pro Tour coverage.
I will definitely be buying packs of this though to get things for EDH and also let's be honest I will be buying some in hopes of things to flip for other things that I need.
acheron_xl
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WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The issue with our demographic is pretty simple. We don't stick around for long, generally speaking, when it comes to luxury products. We tend to pick up things like kids, mortgages and car payments. The first thing to go is things like games. I'm quite happy to be able to buy into MTG. I'm glad somebody is still marketing products toward my age group.
What I'm unhappy about is the fact that the pendulum is swinging too far away from the largest segment of their population. The rarity of products like MM and FTV are entirely under their control. Artificial rarity of entire lines of products bug the crap out of me, as does the zero control they have over LGS. There is rarity of subsections like mythic rarity, which grows the game through organic supply and demand position. Then there is creating a problem, then selling the solution at a massive uptick in price, like FTV and MM, which I find extremely distasteful and ultimately self-defeating.
I mean, straight up telling people that are tuned in to watch a tournament that "Hey, here is this exciting new product you've wanted. But it's not for you!" is a terrible, terrible move. We see arrogant moves like this all the time from entrenched niche companies that have a spark of sudden re-popularity. And it never, ever ends well.
Obviously, I want them to do well. I want the game to continue to grow...I will probably stick with it even if it doesn't, albeit at a much lower buyin from myself.
Regardless of what they think they're broadcasting, when people look at comments like that, it's exclusionary. WotC are the ones pushing Modern as a format. Seems to be the entirely wrong way to push it, by telling people that the products made specifically for that format are not for them, and to limit the run to such a level as to cause massive inflation of price...which will happen, or I'll eat my deckbox.
I think you overestimate the reading ability or at least willingness to read of the average consumer.
Really random question here, and hopefully someone can understand what I'm asking.. cause I certainly don't.
I remember some friends talking about a different game type for magic cards, though for the life of me I can't remember that name. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
I remember some friends talking about a different game type for magic cards, though for the life of me I can't remember that name. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Well, there is EDH/Commander. Legacy, Standard, Limited, Constructed.
I'm assuming commander/EDH is what you're thinking of though.
acheron_xl
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Could be anything, really. Magic has a ridiculous number of variant formats, both official and non.
Modern Masters would make a lot more sense if it was paired with some pre built decks that people could buy in the style of Event Decks that were Modern legal. It'd be a perfect actual gateway into the format (much like the Commander decks were) instead of "here, buy some expensive boosters and figure it out". The obvious problem there is that, since they seem stupidly determined to not affect the price of Modern cards by any large margin, any deck would need to be pretty expensive to have a chance at being competitive.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Perfect example of a inclusionary selling practice. Collectible card games always have to walk the tight rope between the "collectible" and the "game" but I honestly can't see how it can be argued that they're not bending knee to the collectors (that don't add to the internal economy) and entrenched, rather than allowing the game to actually grow into it's new and returned fanbase.
That sounds like it... invented in Alaska too...
acheron_xl
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I know many people who have done this, personally. Some multiple times. The game is weird that way.
Exactly. If it wasn't why then would you have a player base that has aged with the game.
Dthomp
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Ok, I need some advice here. Used to play Magic up until around Future Sight (not much into FS) and kind of want to get back into it. Just not online Magic and here's my issue, the local card shop only does constructed for FNM and the area seems to be pretty hardcore or at least only playing top tier decks. Where can I begin to build a cheap deck that at least is semi-playable. I have bought probably half a box worth of RTR and pulled a couple of Jaces and don't know if I should just ebay there for the $80 and wait for singles to come down a bit more in price or keep these and try to get a playset for some unknown deck to me?
Long story short, I just want to come up with something that I can throw together right now that can at least be fun. Any ideas for a G/U/W aggro-ish deck or is that just not going to work in this current environment?
Long story short, I just want to come up with something that I can throw together right now that can at least be fun. Any ideas for a G/U/W aggro-ish deck or is that just not going to work in this current environment?
Wait for the RTR event decks to come out, buy one of those, and go from there
Or get some friends that don't take the game super seriously
I think you are hearing something completely different than what they've stated. Modern Masters is a limited set that is being printed in conservative numbers. It will not be a FTV type release where its 10/20 per store and that's it. That would hardly add enough of any card into existence to make a noticeable difference. Second, the product is priced at a premium because the value of the cards in it will be much higher than regular set releases (aside from Tarmogoyf, I expect Dark Confidant, Vendilion Clique, Mutavault, Thoughtseize, etc. to be in it) in addition to a foil card in every pack instead of a basic land. Not only that but they don't want to confuse newer players since previously any black-bordered release qualifies itself as a standard-legal product. Modern Masters is directly aimed at people who are returning to the game since they left. Magic is more popular than it ever has been and the print runs of previous sets were so low in comparison to the numbers newer sets have had that we need more cards in circulation to prevent absurd price-barriers to the Modern format so they can promote and grow it as the other big tournament type.
I would recommend you and anyone else here to carefully read what Aaron Forsythe wrote where he explains the product clearly.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/218
I will be floored if they reprint all of those
They are all Modern-format staples with low availability. I would expect all of them to be in this.
My biggest problem is still Tarmogoyf being a mythic. I'm sure it'll be joined by Dark Confidant and other staples. This is obvious pandering to dealers to not hurt the value of their stock much. And it won't even make Wizards more money through additional packs sales if the print run is as limited as they claim.
It's like you didn't even read the article I linked to.
Expect ALL of them. This is 6.99 for a reason.
I did. There is no reason for Goyf (and any other staples they might pick) to be Mythic besides not seriously hurting their prices on the secondary market.
^^^ He claims it's for drafting balance purposes ^^^
He said in that article that they're going to possibly do similar sets in the future. If they're all in, what room do they have to expand in the future?
He said in that article that they're going to possibly do similar sets in the future. If they're all in, what room do they have to expand in the future?
Oh, I guess I somewhat brushed over that one sentence. And that's hogwash anyway. A really good bear doesn't ruin Limited games.
You're right, of course, especially at mythic rarity. It's total hogwash. But that's their reasoning.
They're not going to dent Tarmogoyf enough due to the RTR player influx, sadly. Confidant/Clique at Mythic are fine though. (I also expect Doubling Season at Mythic.)
Okay, so you did read it and you do understand it, you just want to be bitter about it? He flat out says that they want to put more copies of cards like Tarmogoyf out into the market but not enough that it seriously devalues the card (like Chronicles did).
What else are they supposed to put at Mythic? Unlike a modern set, there aren't going to be any giant Timmy monsters clogging up the mythic slot, and probably no funky effects that Johnny loves- this is clearly a product for a Tournament playing spike, who didn't get real mythic feeling playables back in the day (Compare Dark Confidant to Primeval Titan- both are awesome, but one feels "Mythic" while the other doesn't). There aren't going to be any crap rares in this set- everything reprinted is something that either sees Modern play (even if its fringe), or they expect will see modern play.
And for follow up sets, By 2014, there will be Zendikar, Scars, Innistrad, Ravnica, and "Friends" Blocks completed, and I'm guessing they wait until 2015 anyway to do the next Modern Masters. They will make it work.
And for follow up sets, By 2014, there will be Zendikar, Scars, Innistrad, Ravnica, and "Friends" Blocks completed, and I'm guessing they wait until 2015 anyway to do the next Modern Masters. They will make it work.
This is why I'm considering buying a box. Similar for commons and uncommons as well if there isn't too much filler. Has anyone on the internet done a speculative list?
Updated my blog with a financial-related post re: a massive price floor increase due to the RTR player influx: http://kirblar024.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/rising-waters-sunken-hope/
It's too late now. (Wait for singles to crash and buy them on the cheap in about 3-4 months.)I'd buy shitloads of Return of Ravnica but my group isn't playing lately except for my brother-in-law and it gets kinda old playing always with the same person.
I'm glad there's an influx of new players though, Ravnica is a good set and deserves to be successful.
It's also a terrible idea to invest in RTR. Redemptions on MTGO are about to go up, and a complete set online is under half what it is in paper right now.
... That said, people speculating massive price crashes due to modern masters are being ridiculous. Despite collectors leaving the game in droves (which has been happening since the mid 2000s), casual players are flocking to paper Magic thanks to DOTP, and many of them are immediately entering the competitive scene. A limited print set cannot possibly meet demand for Modern era cards.
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