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[TheSpoiler]

I don't see any other options.

The cookout in Witchita is the most inspiring thing I've seen all year. It's a shame it was only in the media spotlight for 3.5 seconds.

People matching should have been the most inspiring thing you saw all year. The cookout is a nice event, but that isn't going to change much in the long run unless that's a constant thing regarding outreach. It's probably not in the public eye because it happened once. Make that a common event, with police seeking to help the people as they should, and then we'll talk.

Until then, I'm inspired by the protest far more.

Have one of those in every city, on every Sunday until we get our shit together. When officers don't get charged in killings like this one, they are breaking the law. Making new laws don't deter serial law breakers. We have to get our shit together on a personal level without help from the state or the media. The government is wildly incapable of handling things with nuance.

The gov't would be bringing in the law. But I agree with you. That outreach needs to be done by the police, though. The onus should not be on the oppressed to do so.

Today the right is only talking to the right and the left is only talking to the left. I believe this is due to communication technology advancing. It's much easier today than even 8 years ago to live in our own little bubbles. The iPhone was only a few months old Obama was elected. The entire paradigm of accessing information and communicating with each other is infinitely more efficient and somehow in doing so it's polarizing almost every nation politically. I think it creates these echo chambers that we're going to have to consciously avoid moving forward.

I think the "left", including minorities in general, have done a great job of inviting the right to the dinner table. That's what BLM is, and other many groups who have been not only providing factual information about the systematic and overt racism that poisons our country, but are willing to speak to people.

But they have to be able to listen. And when you don't have any repercussions for your shitty actions, you probably won't listen. An echo chamber is far more dangerous when you are the one holding all the power, and like I said before, it should not be on the oppressed to continuously start conversation, since the ones impacted are them.

That's another part of it. Both sides are trying to gag the other. In the economy of information, the best argument shouldn't need help prevailing. Neither side wants to play by those rules and we haven't even started the conversation because of it. There's been more censorship in the last 6 months than the last 6 years.

We should really stop doing this "both sides" shit. It's tiresome. If minorities don't want to talk, things get worse and worse for them. If white people don't want to talk, things get worse and worse for minorities. I think people do try and gag the right, but that's usually because it's the kind of shit that's threatening to entire race of people. So, why wouldn't they?

 

[Byakuya769]

Time for another cookout.

 

[kamspy]

I think people do try and gag the right, but that's usually because it's the kind of shit that's threatening to entire race of people. So, why wouldn't they?

This part is key I think. We need to let the better argument win. When Twitter banned Milo they basically told all his supporters that he's 100% right. If he was left to his own devices his trolling would have died out on it's own and it's flaws would have been evident for all to see. Censorship martyrs the message.

We can't outlaw racism. Attempting to would only embolden it given the demographics.

We're going to have to explain some really complicated shit to some really ignorant, unintelligent people. It's a task so daunting that I think a lot of us are skipping right past it subconsciously, but it my mind it's the only way make this a country we all want to live in. I've seen a BIG push for the left to become as oppressive as the right has been. It is not the answer and it is pushing people away from our cause.

 

[BlueTsunami]

He broke omerta

 

[atr0cious]

This part is key I think. We need to let the better argument win. When Twitter banned Milo they basically told all his supporters that he's 100% right. If he was left to his own devices his trolling would have died out on it's own and it's flaws would have been evident for all to see. Censorship martyrs the message.

This is so right, let's ask Zoe Quinn how life is being left alone with Milo and friends.

You're very wrong. The problem is society hasn't caught up with how to deal with the internet, leaving the offenders who abuse everyday that we don't toss them out to continue to think they can get away with it.

 

[Brazil]

Pieces of shit mafiosos.

Very weird. Surely the police knew this would be a PR nightmare.

Those fuckers give no shit about PR. They're immune because people support them.

 

[K.Jack]

How often does, "Fuck the police", feel more apropos?

 

[NastyBook]

Keep recording. SMH @ DeKalb County PD.

 

[TheSpoiler]

This part is key I think. We need to let the better argument win. When Twitter banned Milo they basically told all his supporters that he's 100% right. If he was left to his own devices his trolling would have died out on it's own and it's flaws would have been evident for all to see. Censorship martyrs the message.

Nah, life ain't debate team. Minorities shouldn't have to endlessly fight with trolls all day, engaging them in long-winded discussions when the other side doesn't really have to listen.

Have you seen the dude going around the RNC, using actual facts to talk to people about Islam? One dude even says "have you read the Koran lately", and the peaceful dude replies that he just read it a month ago. He then asks the RNC dude if he read the Koran, and in response, is told that he's full of bullshit and other insults.

You don't "win" an argument with people if they don't change their mind. And minorities really should not be the ones spending their time to educate people on basic human rights.

Also, as for the Twitter thing, that company (and any other) absolutely has the right to step in when abuse happens. Twitter is not some area where you can say whatever you want. You follow the guidelines of the TOS, just like Facebook and anything else.

We can't outlaw racism. Attempting to would only embolden it given the demographics.

Well, I mean, you can. In fact, there are laws in place for some forms of racism as we speak! That's how I'm able to use any water fountain. God bless this country.

But really, if society shits on racism, and laws are in place to protect minorities, racism can't grow. You can't embolden anything if it's not allowed to thrive.

We're going to have to explain some really complicated shit to some really ignorant, unintelligent people. It's a task so daunting that I think a lot of us are skipping right past it subconsciously, but it my mind it's the only way make this a country we all want to live in. I've seen a BIG push for the left to become as oppressive as the right has been. It is not the answer and it is pushing people away from our cause.

See, my problem is, as a minority, while I'm gathering all this data to present to someone, I still have to watch out. From the police, from everyday racism, etc. And if I finally make it to the podium to speak, if the people in power don't seek to change anything or don't act on what I've said, it means nothing.

That's why society and gov't laws actually working would be the best route. What has the left done to be oppressive? They aren't perfect, but then again, if they are trying to snuff out the ideology that I'm some sort of animal and should be shot, I'm all for it.

Minorities are tired of being treated like shit. None of us deserve to sit around and wait, and we have every right to be angry. I don't agree with all methods, but marching and things like that aren't even being all that oppressive. Ohh oh no people have to see years of welled up anger and passion in front of their TV screens - how horrifying.

 

[Cipherr]

The people defending the cops and running all the #wait-for-all-the-facts bullshit are always ghost in threads like this.

They just.... lose all interest in discussion when these threads pop up.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Let this be a lesson to US GAF. Pay your traffic tickets on time!

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/s

 

[kamspy]

Well, I mean, you can. In fact, there are laws in place for some forms of racism as we speak! That's how I'm able to use any water fountain. God bless this country.

That's all marching and civil disobedience achieves. Drinking fountains and photo ops. Meaningless tokens. You can't outlaw racism (effectively).

The only choices left on the table are open rebellion and community outreach in an attempt to stir some empathy. Half assing the rebellion will only take players off the board before the real thing begins. You can see that in the thread title.

 

[JaMarco]

Trying to discourage people from exposing their shit won't work. People are tired of this. Record police,.

Lol what is that from?

 

[TheSpoiler]

That's all marching and civil disobedience achieves. Drinking fountains and photo ops. Meaningless tokens. You can't outlaw racism (effectively).

The only choices left on the table are open rebellion and community outreach in an attempt to stir some empathy. Half assing the rebellion will only take players off the board before the real thing begins. You can see that in the thread title.

Yeah, MLK only got us meaningless tokens with his civil disobedience and marching.

Those aren't the only choices. I've actually stated some real choices. Those choices are things those players can't ignore, and they either get on the train to change, or shut the fuck up and deal with it.

I mean, community outreach is great, but that's not going to impact police brutality on blacks like more bodycams and enforced laws for them wearing that shit.

 

[Odoul]

Fucked.

The guy who filmed Michael Garner getting choked is being constantly fucked with by the NYPD too.

He's about to go to prison for 4 years.

He also previously spent time in jail and was supposedly constantly slipped rat poison in his food.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Intimidation.

 

[Claude Augario]

Maybe if he gave a cookout they wouldn't be trying to ruin his life right now.

 

[Loudninja]

Lol what is that from?

Looks like a Vine.

 

[Yagharek]

Sounds less like police are gangs and more like they are organised crime syndicates like the mafia.

Holy shit this is disgusting.

 

[thuway]

Can the president do anything about this ?

 

[Mr. X]

I guess the DoJ or FBI left or never arrived?

 

[PopeReal]

There is no bad PR for them. We continue to give them a pass.

 

[Jmanunknown]

Talking.

Talking only works if both sides are actually willing to talk. Black people and other minorities have been trying to have that talk forever but nothing ever happens because the majority likes the way things are and police like having no oversight and no accountability. So what point is their in having a talk when one side is not willing and does not want to have that talk? That is why whenever a police officer is brought up on charges grand jury's or jury's almost always them time find them not guilty.

 

[The Kree]

Can the president do anything about this ?

He can ask Americans to come together and whine about congress some more.

 

[kamspy]

Talking only works if both sides are actually willing to talk. Black people and other minorities have been trying to have that talk forever but nothing ever happens because the majority likes the way things are and police like having no oversight and no accountability. So what point is their in having a talk when one side is not willing and does not want to have that talk? That is why whenever a police officer is brought up on charges grand jury's or jury's almost always them time find them not guilty.

We already have laws to prevent this stuff that aren't being obeyed. What makes you think corrupt police would follow new ones? Shutting down highways might get a few new laws on the book in exchange for a ton of empathy. I don't think that leads to real peace and understanding.

This is what makes me think we should either go full rebellion or full outreach for empathy. I don't think we've exhausted the outreach effort so that's what I'm supporting and encouraging. It's not satisfying given the amount of painful inequity, but I think it's the smarter long term plan. We probably wouldn't win a physical fight. We have to keep that in mind.

 

[entremet]

The fix is in.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Didnt the store owner get into some confrontation too? Like he was detained and they stole his store footage illegally?

 

[duckroll]

Look people. There are two sides here. One side is able to shoot defenceless people and get paid for it. The other side gets arrested and discredited for complaining about it. I'm sure we can all sit down and talk this through. Both sides!

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Exposing institutionalized corruption while black.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Look people. There are two sides here. One side is able to shoot defenceless people and get paid for it. The other side gets arrested and discredited for complaining about it. I'm sure we can all sit down and talk this through. Both sides!

 

[kamspy]

Let's all shut down highways until we get some feel good legislation. Beg the system that oppresses us to make a new rule that it has to enforce against itself to stop oppressing us. That'll fucking show them. Maybe Kendrick Lamar and Bono can collaborate on a song, and we can get a Time Magazine cover, a memorable hashtag. A cool logo or colored ribbon to avatarize for the season. Iconic photographs of superstar politicians hugging poor minorities. Sky's the limit really.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Let's all shut down highways until we get some feel good legislation. Beg the system that oppresses us to make a new rule that it has to enforce against itself to stop oppressing us. That'll fucking show them. Maybe Kendrick Lamar and Bono can collaborate on a song, and we can get a Time Magazine cover, a memorable hashtag. A cool logo or colored ribbon to avatarize for the season. Iconic photographs of superstar politicians hugging poor minorities. Sky's the limit really.

So all MLK achieved was feel good legislation?

 

[duckroll]

People don't want feel good legislation, they want to see cops behind bars rather than behind BBQ pits. And I don't blame them.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Article and video at the link:

Don't forget that Ramsey Orta, who recorded the murder of Eric Garner in 2014, is going to prison for 4 years after "being repeatedly arrested and harassed by cops since he filmed the fatal police chokehold nearly two years ago."

Reading this after the Rio kidnapping thread makes me realize the gap between the police there and here is a lot thinner than I'd recognized. Organized harassment campaigns against citizens by the police in retaliation for holding them accountable for murder (or rather, trying to hold them accountable. Not a good look. :\

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

BLM should be more unified to respond to this. They need to push past just protesting deaths and keep this in the public's eye. Now, protest both dekalb's PD and the base.

 

[whatsinaname]

There needs to be a wikileaks type of distributed anonymous uploading tool/app. Only way to get around this shit.

 

[kamspy]

So all MLK achieved was feel good legislation?

Might as well of happened a century ago imo. Think about how the average person got the news back then. I think we have to use different tactics to match the tools of the day.

I think (hope) that we would all prefer to win the minds. Like they're saying in the Pac thread right now, 'revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy'. Going this route is going to be unsatisfying and require a lot of patience. But they'll win a physical fight. Protesting is basically begging them to nice.

People don't want feel good legislation, they want to see cops behind bars rather than behind BBQ pits. And I don't blame them.

Any cop they would send to jail for that is basically a patsy. Would that be satisfying? To see them sacrifice a fall guy?

 

[Angelus Errare]

Very weird. Surely the police knew this would be a PR nightmare.

They get away with murder, you think they're going to be scared of this?

 

[Zubz]

He also previously spent time in jail and was supposedly constantly slipped rat poison in his food.

I remember reading about that. The response was something along the lines of "he had just as much rat poison as everyone else in his food." And a study did show there was rat poison in his food. That had me pissed for a number of reasons.

 

[duckroll]

The cookout in Witchita is the most inspiring thing I've seen all year. It's a shame it was only in the media spotlight for 3.5 seconds.

Any cop they would send to jail for that is basically a patsy. Would that be satisfying? To see them sacrifice a fall guy?

Lol.

 

[kamspy]

Lol.

What's your plan duckroll?

 

[duckroll]

What's your plan duckroll?

My plan is not to talk down people who are angry and disillusioned with a broken police system and an apathetic criminal justice system that sides with that. They are justified in their outrage and should be supported and encouraged to voice their dissent and express it in the most visible and loudest ways possible, because people who should be listening are clearly not listening.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

And the worst part is, despite all of this, those heartless bastards are going to get away with killing him, anyway. Any drastic measures that need to be taken on leashing in police officers should be made sooner rather than later; this is getting out of control.

If you know that it was dirty, then they didn't get away with it.

Its going to take alot of work to get this to a place where this behavior doesn't happen anymore.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Might as well of happened a century ago imo. Think about how the average person got the news back then. I think we have to use different tactics to match the tools of the day.

If you really think that's the only reason people marched, then you need to go back and hit them history books, my friend.

But, ah, I've been saying we should use different tactics. Making it not socially viable to be a racist piece of shit by silencing abuse on Twitter is a big step. You think it's "censorship", but those people follow the TOS, not some ill-understood form of freedom of speech.

I think (hope) that we would all prefer to win the minds. Like they're saying in the Pac thread right now, 'revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy'. Going this route is going to be unsatisfying and require a lot of patience. But they'll win a physical fight. Protesting is basically begging them to nice.

No, son, protesting is not "begging them to be nice". It's a form of showing people you've had enough.

Sorry dude, but I'm not going to wait around and sit at a table, doing community outreach like that'll help better than real laws (of which have been weak and hardly enforced).

You want minorities to chill out, wait, and have a civil discussion with uncivil people while their brothers and sisters die around them. Think about that for a moment.

Also, for whatever reason, you keep cherry picking small parts of my posts.

 

[demon]

What's your plan duckroll?

Your posts heavily imply that cookouts are the answer and any attempts at real justice (like locking up murderous cops) are futile cuz "patsies" and "fall guys".

It's not on us to come up with a 10-point plan to fix the problem. That's on politicians at this point. There needs to be deep and profound police reform and far more (any?) accountability to people outside of their own blue bubble. For starters, when a cunt cop murders a person in cold blood, they should be fired, prosecuted and imprisoned.

People also need to continue being vocal about police brutality. And continue video recording them and putting them on then internet for the world to see. The police obviously don't want that, as illustrated by this very story, so people need to continue doing it.

 

[Zeuanimals]

Every officer that is involved in this is a bad apple. Every officer that works with those that are involved and still say nothing is also a bad apple.

I'm pretty sure they have about as much sympathy for good cops who snitch as they do for regular people who do the same.

 

[Squalor]

Trying to discourage people from exposing their shit won't work. People are tired of this. Record police,.

As if cameras stop cops or get them convicted.

 

[Byakuya769]

What's your plan duckroll?

What are you arguing for?

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Time for another cookout.

The only true way to protest.

Also,

 

[Black Republican]

Wow wow. Fuck this shit. Fucking scum