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[kruis]

This is the part I don't get.

What is with the rise of this segment of gamers aggressively and loudly proclaiming their desire to see a game they don't like become a huge, studio-shaking flop and one that hope will cost lots of people their jobs?

it's just a game you don't like; why are actively clamouring for a terrible disaster?

It's the same thing with Fairgames but what worse because it we've not seen anything about that and nobody outside the studio has played it. But legions of people are already convinced it is complete dogshit and again so, so bad and seemingly so, so I dunno offensive that they are actively baying for its blood. They want the studio to fail and they want everybody to lose their jobs.

What is this level of furious rage directed at these games? Why do these people become wildly hostile to any high-profile game they think won't meet with success?

Why do these people seem very excited and happy about the prospect of another Concorde?

That's not a difficult question to answer: there's a huge number of PS owners who ABSOLUTELY HATED the sudden and absolutely massive move into GAAS by Sony. The promise was that 12 planned GAAS games wouldn't mean there'd be less single player games, but the reality was that studios that were famous for their single player games wasted many years with GAAS games that were ultimately canceled (Naughty Dog, BluePoint, Bend). Those PS fans enjoy every GAAS failure and hope it will shake things up that every single Sony exec associated with that multi billion disaster will get axed.

 

[Killer8]

Game footage in poorly encoded 360p streamed from a Chinese server farm doesn't look its best. Crazy stuff.

 

[thief183]

I can't see why there would ever be any need for any more than about 3 before other games in the genre start to suffer and lose players, I cannot see this game getting a foothold above the likes of Arc, Hunt and Tarkov, meaning I can't see how Marathons player base is going to keep it sustainable

The same could be said for anything else tho, I mean, Hunt is almost 10 years old, Tarkov the same, Arc is new but it is not an FPS, The cycles has been killed by Cheaters and stubborn devs, Hunger kinda looks like a melee take on it, as far as I'm concerned Devs should stop making third person melee games, they are the same (according to your post), but I don't agree, let them do them I'll buy the one that I like. Same goes for the immense roster of 4 games in a genre... to be clear, I don't care about Marathon but I find the hate against it unjustified.

 

[Loomy]

That's not a difficult question to answer: there's a huge number of PS owners who ABSOLUTELY HATED the sudden and absolutely massive move into GAAS by Sony. The promise was that 12 planned GAAS games wouldn't mean there'd be less single player games, but the reality was that studios that were famous for their single player games wasted many years with GAAS games that were ultimately canceled (Naughty Dog, BluePoint, Bend). Those PS fans enjoy every GAAS failure and hope it will shake things up that every single Sony exec associated with that multi billion disaster will get axed.

lol let's be honest here. Bend released 1 original game in like 20 years. And ND had a completely separate team from the the Intergalactic team working on Factions - a game ND fans really wanted.

Bluepoint is the only head scratcher here. Aside from them, all of Sony's single player studios are working on single player games still.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

But gamers are the ones designing games.

Pretty clear distinction imo.

 

[iHaunter]

I like games that don't look like slop:


This is one of the worst things I've seen in gaming in a very long time

What about it looks like slop? Specifically?

 

[Negotiator101]

As a professional video editor I can assure you that I can bit-compress ARC Raiders in a similar way that it will look like a bad PS360 gen generic shooter.

Actual playtest feedback is surprisingly positive even on Reddit, and Reddit is usually a cesspit of negativity.

You can't make it have shit art direction like Marathon, that's for certain.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

What about it looks like slop? Specifically?

Everything? Art direction looks like Temu mirrors edge, colors are distracting and ugly as fuck, and graphics look worse than last gen

 

[iHaunter]

Everything? Art direction looks like Temu mirrors edge, colors are distracting and ugly as fuck, and graphics look worse than last gen

Did you play it?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Did you play it?

I don't play games that I don't think I'll like and I just told you I hate everything about it?

are you one of those foreigners who don't speak English or something?

Or do you go out of your way and play games that you think you won't like because your time is worth that little?

 

[Loomy]

I don't play games that I don't think I'll like and I just told you I hate everything about it?

So why bother reading about it or making a whole thread about it then?

Also, I'm convinced if Mirrors Edge came out today, some of you would say it looks like shit.

Because there's a lot of similarities.

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

What a waste of resources and everyone's time

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Hard to tell whether they would have ever been replaced if they were not called out.

The style/design language influenced the art style of the game, there is a reason those assets fit in so well. They could have easily gotten away with it by only taking inspiration from the style without yanking straight assets. But they gave away that they essentially have an uncredited, uncompensated art director.

Gotten away with what? That artist did not invent that style lmao.

 

[iHaunter]

I don't play games that I don't think I'll like and I just told you I hate everything about it?

are you one of those foreigners who don't speak English or something?

Or do you go out of your way and play games that you think you won't like because your time is worth that little?

I don't think you can properly judge something without at least experiencing it first to some extent.

The game is really tight and the combat is really fun. I can agree it can be distracting. I liked it more than Arc and I play Arc regularly, personally.

 

[lifa-cobex]

So why bother reading about it or making a whole thread about it then?

Because it comes from a deeply respected company from back in the day.

It's interesting to see what was to what is being created today.
Am disappointed.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

So why bother reading about it or making a whole thread about it then?

I already went over this. I responded directly to you, and you never replied to what I said.

You argued that the free market should decide whether the game succeeds, and I pointed out—accurately—that the free market relies on feedback. That's how it works.

You're misunderstanding how the free market functions, and several others in this thread have already pointed that out as well.

And stop trying to tell people they shouldn't talk or restrict their right to give feedback just because it hurts your feelings. It makes you sound like a little girl.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I don't think you can properly judge something without at least experiencing it first to some extent.

There's no way you actually believe that you have to play a game to form an opinion as to whether you should play a game? In no universe is this feasible dude. I don't have enough time to play the games I know I want to play.

 

[Loomy]

And stop trying to tell people they shouldn't talk or restrict their right to give feedback just because it hurts your feelings. It makes you sound like a little girl.

Oof. Okay.

I didn't send my response to you earlier because I didn't think a thread about game visuals needed to devolve into a debate on economics.

I will say a part of it was about how the last thing I want is for people to not give feedback or critique games.

But here's the point I was trying to make. You hate everything about the game so much you have zero interest in even trying it out. Why not put everything about that game on ignore and pretend it doesn't exist? The only way you can tangibly (and legally) affect this game is by not buying it and you're already on that.

Also, if someone walks by a restaurant and sees food on a plate and think "yuck, I hate that food". And then goes home and writes a blog about how much that food sucks - even though they never tried it and have no intention of trying it - you'd think that person was crazy, right?

Now imagine someone sees compressed low bitrate videos of a game they already hated everything about, never played the tests, and have no intention of playing the game on release. Imagine that person starts a thread thrashing the game they hate, haven't played, and have no intention of playing.

What would you think of that person?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Oof. Okay.

I didn't send my response to you earlier because I didn't think a thread about game visuals needed to devolve into a debate on economics.

I will say a part of it was about how the last thing I want is for people to not give feedback or critique games.

But here's the point I was trying to make. You hate everything about the game so much you have zero interest in even trying it out. Why not put everything about that game on ignore and pretend it doesn't exist? The only way you can tangibly (and legally) affect this game is by not buying it and you're already on that.

Also, if someone walks by a restaurant and sees food on a plate and think "yuck, I hate that food". And then goes home and writes a blog about how much that food sucks - even though they never tried it and have no intention of trying it - you'd think that person was crazy, right?

Now imagine someone sees compressed low bitrate videos of a game they already hated everything about, never played the tests, and have no intention of playing the game on release. Imagine that person starts a thread thrashing the game they hate, haven't played, and have no intention of playing.

What would you think of that person?

I am enjoying myself but I'm sorry if you're triggered? The reactions in this thread alone make it 100% worth my time, but I appreciate your concern. I think the better question is why are you engaging with me instead of ignoring my thread?

Glad I'm bringing more light to this disaster, they deserve shame

 

[Loomy]

I am enjoying myself but I'm sorry if you're triggered?

lol not even remotely triggered, so don't worry about that. Despite what my profile says, I don't get upset, triggered, etc by what happens on forums.

I think the better question is why are you engaging with me instead of ignoring my thread?

Because once upon a time people who disagreed were still able to talk online. I'm 100% fine with someone having views/opinions that are opposed to mine. As long as you seem okay engaging in conversations about it, I'm cool doing the same.

If I sensed you were going to get upset at me challenging you and run crying to the mods, I would ignore the thread.

 

[nial]

I thought OP was exaggerating about this game's graphics, but it turned out to be true, with puke-inducing graphics at full display.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

lol not even remotely triggered, so don't worry about that. Despite what my profile says, I don't get upset, triggered, etc by what happens on forums.


Because once upon a time people who disagreed were still able to talk online. I'm 100% fine with someone having views/opinions that are opposed to mine. As long as you seem okay engaging in conversations about it, I'm cool doing the same.

If I sensed you were going to get upset at me challenging you and run crying to the mods, I would ignore the thread.

Yeah, but to what end? My opinion on the direction of the game is not going to change because someone argues with me about it. That is not how this works. Stuff like artistic direction and style is highly subjective. That's like you saying you could convince me to no longer like skinny chicks. I like what I like.

I am sharing my own take based on my tastes. Some people agreed, others will not, and that is fine. But it feels strange to assume you can debate someone into changing their personal artistic or stylistic preferences.