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Mario Kart ds survey from Nintendo

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Drensch

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I received and email from nintendo asking about Mario Kart ds. At the end of the survey they ask for suggestion to make Nintendo WIFI better. I assume many of us will get this email. I think we should make a list of suggestions that many of us add, so that there is a better likelyhood that these changes take effect.


What, if any, suggestions do you have for making the Nintendo Wi-Fi connection even better?

1. A chat feature. Perhaps linked to my Nintendo accounts, to only allow chatting for those over 18.
2. An online "lobby" where players can agree to play each other, much like Blizzard's Battle.net.
3. Clans/teams
4. Ability to add players to friends list online either in a lobby or post race, and the ability to black list or block other players.
5. Ability to report cheating or other malignant activity.
6. A fix for Netgear Routers.
7. Severe penalties for Snakers and Droppers.
8. The ability to pick and select what power ups (if any) are used in a race, a la Super Smash Bros Melee.
9. Rankings ladders and tournaments.
10. Special privileges based on My Nintendo registry.
 
Why penalize snakers?

Anyone who's ever played a Mario Kart for an extended period can do that.

Good suggestions all around, though. :)
 
I got this survey too, I'm also going to include your points 1-4, 7-9. Sounds pretty good. I think the chat lobby is what I'd like the most, pictochat lobby that is.
 
Penalizing snaking would be a bad move and as such would be overly penalizing droppers since this is a portable platform after all.

Most important would be a lobby.
 
Simple solution: allow the snaking penalty to be toggled on or off as a match-making condition.

Then the snakers can enjoy playing against each other while those who'd rather play without the technique don't have to compete at that level. Non-snakers will only be paired against each other and vice-versa.
 
It's hard to determine exactly what constitutes snaking. Is it okay to boost twice in a turn? Three times? Is it okay to boost and additional time when coming out of a turn onto a straight? That kinda stuff.
 
Clear something up a bit on snaking.

Do you consider snaking just to be pressing the Dpad back and forth when dragging to get the boost, or doing it during the whole race, even when there aren't any turns?

One is an intentional feature of the game, and the other is skill.


Anyway, it's like saying they should penalize noobs or crappy players.
 
I wasn't expecting it in the first go-around, but something I'd like to see in the future:

Online time trial records, including the possibility to download the ghost of recordholder.
 
It wouldn't be hard at all. Simple playtesting would determine a maximum amount of boosts that a player could reasonably reach around each turn in a given course, not boosting on straightaways. Even allocating three-four a turn would be fine, far below the total amount of boosts a snaker reaches.

Then you just program the game to cap off a player's maximum boosts per course. You hit fifty and suddenly you can't boost anymore, etc.
 
I agree with 1 and 2, and raise you the release of a DS headset with a mic. The system has the jacks all ready to go, after all... I wonder why they didn't release one alongside Nintendogs.
 
It's just astonishing to me that Nintendo would make a handheld with a touchscreen and built-in mic, then NOT ALLOW COMMUNICATION OVER THE INTERNET FOR GAMING.
 
I wouldnt even bother asking them to penalize snakers, it is simply too difficult to judge whether someone is snaking or not.

More importantly, at the moment, you cannot choose which of the friends on your friends list you want to play with, nor can you choose how many. A lobby that fixes such problems with a host/join system or what not, would be a much better addition to ask for.
 
Drensch said:
What, if any, suggestions do you have for making the Nintendo Wi-Fi connection even better?

1. A chat feature. Perhaps linked to my Nintendo accounts, to only allow chatting for those over 18.
2. An online "lobby" where players can agree to play each other, much like Blizzard's Battle.net.
3. Clans/teams
4. Ability to add players to friends list online either in a lobby or post race, and the ability to black list or block other players.
5. Ability to report cheating or other malignant activity.
8. The ability to pick and select what power ups (if any) are used in a race, a la Super Smash Bros Melee.
9. Rankings ladders and tournaments.
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This is what I would like to see. If you have #5, then you don't need #7.
 
Teddman said:
It wouldn't be hard at all. Simple playtesting would determine a maximum amount of boosts that a player could reasonably reach around each turn in a given course, not boosting on straightaways. Even allocating three-four a turn would be fine, far below the total amount of boosts a snaker reaches.

Then you just program the game to cap off a player's maximum boosts per course. You hit fifty and suddenly you can't boost anymore, etc.
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That's a great idea!
 
doing it during the whole race, even when there aren't any turns?
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That's what bothers me. It such a joke. First of all it's akin to button mashing in a fighter. Secondly, pretty much all of the snakers I've races against can't race for shit w/o snaking. Thirdly Snakers are the biggest droppers I race against, invariably if you are beating them, they drop.



Fix for Netgear routers? My WGT624 v2 works just fine.
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Take a look at netgear's forums, or Nintendo's router page. Netgear is really bad when it coems to Nintendo wifi.
 
Definitely the ability to select powerups. Those flying turtle shells and bullet bills are so freaking unfair. They left them in so the kids don't cry when you're so far ahead.

Soul4ger said:
It's just astonishing to me that Nintendo would make a handheld with a touchscreen and built-in mic, then NOT ALLOW COMMUNICATION OVER THE INTERNET FOR GAMING.
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It's probably a CPU issue. Voice has to be compressed and uncompressed on the fly. Not an issue for the Xbox or a PC but definitely one for the DS.

Wouldn't be a problem in a lobby though.
 
Drensch said:
That's what bothers me. It such a joke. First of all it's akin to button mashing in a fighter. Secondly, pretty much all of the snakers I've races against can't race for shit w/o snaking. Thirdly Snakers are the biggest droppers I race against, invariably if you are beating them, they drop.
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QFT.

I played against a snaker for the first time today. The first race was on Wario Stadium and he destroyed me. No matter what I hit him with, I couldn't catch him. I forgot what level I picked next, but I made sure that it would be somewhere difficult to snake. He quit before the race was over.
 
. I forgot what level I picked next, but I made sure that it would be somewhere difficult to snake. He quit before the race was over.
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If you race Rainbow Road, it's the same as turning of a snaker's DS. They can't race for shit, get blown out and quit.
 
The whole people getting angry about someone racing better than them because they can't pull off a technique that utilizes the mechanics of the game really pisses me off for some reaosn.

Read the Online forum. There was already a big discussion about it.
Let's stop going in circles, it's GAF, I know, but god what a dumb argument.
 
Nice list, totally agree. I'd add online battle mode and a notification when someone has added you to their friends list with the option to add them to yours (ala Live!).
 
John Harker said:
The whole people getting angry about someone racing better than them because they can't pull off a technique that utilizes the mechanics of the game really pisses me off for some reaosn.
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I just said that my opponent sucked and quit when he wasn't able to snake. Are you telling me that he's better than me?
 
John Harker said:
The whole people getting angry about someone racing better than them because they can't pull off a technique that utilizes the mechanics of the game really pisses me off for some reaosn.
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People get angry because you're relying exclusively on one aspect of the gameplay to win.

Variety's the spice of life.
 
Beezy said:
I just said that my opponent sucked and quit when he wasn't able to snake. Are you telling me that he's better than me?
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He was on the race he won. I don't care so much about snaking, I'm more irritated by people who drop. I would prefer actually racing to win rather than getting free wins.
 
How is snaking cheating? It's in the game. It's not a glitch. It's skill. The best multiplayer games are those that have a little room past the ceiling to reach so that players who are good actually have an advantage--especially in a game like this one where a lot of times it's more luck who wins. If it bothers someone so much, I don't understand why they wouldn't practice and learn how to do it. If you're really good at playing without the extra technique, imagine how good you'll be when you master it.
 
satterfield said:
How is snaking cheating? It's in the game. It's not a glitch. It's skill.
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It's not cheating, but it does border on being an exploit. There's a reason that Nintendo is asking gamers whether they'd like to penalize snakers.

It's a narrow style of play that not everyone enjoys and focuses on one aspect of the game to trump all others. In fact, I don't think most snakers even enjoy doing it, they just do it to get a substantial edge over the less skilled.

If an option to toggle snaking on or off for matchmaking was added, you'd probably see the overwhelming majority of players elect to toggle it off, even accomplished snakers.
 
Teddman said:
It's not cheating, but it does border on being an exploit. There's a reason that Nintendo is asking gamers whether they'd like to penalize snakers.

It's a narrow style of play that not everyone enjoys and focuses on one aspect of the game to trump all others. In fact, I don't think most snakers even enjoy doing it, they just do it to get a substantial edge over the less skilled.

If an option to toggle snaking on or off for matchmaking was added, you'd probably see the overwhelming majority of players elect to toggle it off, even accomplished snakers.
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Yeah, there's no reason why it shouldn't at least be an option to turn off and on. No harm in that.
 
Teddman said:
It's not cheating, but it does border on being an exploit. There's a reason that Nintendo is asking gamers whether they'd like to penalize snakers.
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Is that in the survey? I thought that was just one of Drensch's sugestions.
 
I also suggested that snaking should be removed from the game or the players should be penalized. It disrupts the balance of gameplay and provides fun for only those who do it, though I imagine that after a while it could become a chore.

I also suggested being able to connect to an online lobby (for both DS and Rev) that allows you to see your friends list, who's online, what game they're playing, voice chat, and send invites. It's not quite Xbox Live, but it's a big upgrade to the barebones online that WFC provides right now. I also suggested friend codes that are DS specific, rather than game specific, allowing for a constant friends list.
 
satterfield said:
How is snaking cheating? It's in the game. It's not a glitch. It's skill. The best multiplayer games are those that have a little room past the ceiling to reach so that players who are good actually have an advantage--especially in a game like this one where a lot of times it's more luck who wins. If it bothers someone so much, I don't understand why they wouldn't practice and learn how to do it. If you're really good at playing without the extra technique, imagine how good you'll be when you master it.
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Agreed.
I don't even know why we need a name for it.
It's a skill, your not exploiting a glitch, your practicing a technique.

It's an aspect of the game to be explored, like jumping. When you use it, when not to, how to use it.

Are you going to tell me dragging a banana behind you to block shells is cheating too?
Exploiting a move!!! Your suppose to drag items to line up when to drop them on opponets, not block my attacks!! Cheater!!
I SAY DISABLE ITEM DRAGGING THEN!!

(you see the stupidity of the argument yet?)

Whose saying you can't power slide on straight runs?
Whose saying you can't use bannas to block shells?
Or use the jump to jump over rivers?

I mean, it's all part of the game. Don't bitch because you can't do it, just practice.
"it takes the fun out of it" ? What kind of argument is that?
Well, that's an opinion, so it isnt any grounds for a solid argument.

Hell, when someone beats me by doing it the whole time, I think that is a level of play I should aspire to, not degrade by mocking their play. And I find it much more enjoyable to practice difficult techniques then just slamming the Gas button down and hoping Mario can suddenly catch up when I'm behind - because going straight on a straight course is SOOOO much fun. ahem.
 
John Harker said:
Agreed.
I don't even know why we need a name for it.
It's a skill, your not exploiting a glitch, your practicing a technique.

It's an aspect of the game to be explored, like jumping. When you use it, when not to, how to use it.

Are you going to tell me dragging a banana behind you to block shells is cheating too?
Exploiting a move!!! Your suppose to drag items to line up when to drop them on opponets, not block my attacks!! Cheater!!
I SAY DISABLE ITEM DRAGGING THEN!!

(you see the stupidity of the argument yet?)

Whose saying you can't power slide on straight runs?
Whose saying you can't use bannas to block shells?
Or use the jump to jump over rivers?

I mean, it's all part of the game. Don't bitch because you can't do it, just practice.
"it takes the fun out of it" ? What kind of argument is that?
Well, that's an opinion, so it isnt any grounds for a solid argument.

Hell, when someone beats me by doing it the whole time, I think that is a level of play I should aspire to, not degrade by mocking their play. And I find it much more enjoyable to practice difficult techniques then just slamming the Gas button down and hoping Mario can suddenly catch up when I'm behind - because going straight on a straight course is SOOOO much fun. ahem.
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And seeing how much distance you can put between yourself and everyone else, nullifying even the blue shell attack, is what you call a challenge?
 
xsarien said:
And seeing how much distance you can put between yourself and everyone else, nullifying even the blue shell attack, is what you call a challenge?
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Actually, uh... yes?
Why does every race have to be by the split second?
It's very rewarding to see how badly we can beat others... I'm sure we all feel this way.

Not that I do that. I mean, I'm not that great. I'm like, 41 and 40. Hell, I don't even do the technique well/often.

But that doesn't mean I hold hard feelings.
 
Drensch said:
Take a look at netgear's forums, or Nintendo's router page. Netgear is really bad when it coems to Nintendo wifi.
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Yeah, but it makes it sound like every netgear router is bad. Hell, it lists my router with only one star and yet I haven't had a problem connecting to Mario Kart since the second day it was out.
 
SNAKING IS IN THE GAME DEAL WITH IT! And no its not like jumping, no its not like button mashing. I can beat button mashers. Somone has practiced this skill and the rest of you need to learn it or just deal. We don't ban parries just because somone is extremly good at. Get around it or do it yourself. Thats what comp is here for. I wouldn't have learned half the stuff I know about Street Fighter unless I played with high level people. The use cheap tactics yes, but the game is about winning for them!
 
SS4Gogita said:
Yeah, but it makes it sound like every netgear router is bad. Hell, it lists my router with only one star and yet I haven't had a problem connecting to Mario Kart since the second day it was out.
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Neither did I, in worldwide mode, but I have serious problems connecting to about half of my friends list (who have no problems connecting to each other), which is the problem most people with Netgears have been having. Just check out the Animal Crossing thread and look at how many people post about not being able to connect to my town if you want more proof. (Yes, this is after having spent many hours messing with port forwarding, firmware upgrades, etc.) I don't think any Netgear routers completely fail to connect -- it's the amount of compatibility with others that's fucked.

Walking outside and connecting to the neighbor's non-netgear router completely solves the problem, of course, but that's a little inconvenient.
 
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