Marvel burnout/Wolverine reception

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I've been reading a lot of stuff about the apparent exhaustion among fans of the Marvel movies and shows due to over-saturation of releases. I saw a graph the other day that was charting the popularity/profit of Marvel releases since Avengers: Endgame and it's been trending down year over year.

How do you think this will affect reception of the Wolverine game when it comes out? Do you think it will fall flatter than expected? How do you think it'll stack up against the Spider Man games' success?

I have zero interest in the Marvel stuff but I thought bringing Wolverine's upcoming release into the Marvel burnout fold might lead to some good discussion.
 
powder said:
I've been reading a lot of stuff about the apparent exhaustion among fans of the Marvel movies and shows due to over-saturation of releases. I saw a graph the other day that was charting the popularity/profit of Marvel releases since Avengers: Endgame and it's been trending down year over year.

How do you think this will affect reception of the Wolverine game when it comes out? Do you think it will fall flatter than expected? How do you think it'll stack up against the Spider Man games' success?

I have zero interest in the Marvel stuff but I thought bringing Wolverine's upcoming release into the Marvel burnout fold might lead to some good discussion.
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It won't. Deadpool & Wolverine made close to a billion dollars, those characters are eternally popular like Spider-Man.
 
powder said:
I've been reading a lot of stuff about the apparent exhaustion among fans of the Marvel movies and shows due to over-saturation of releases. I saw a graph the other day that was charting the popularity/profit of Marvel releases since Avengers: Endgame and it's been trending down year over year.

How do you think this will affect reception of the Wolverine game when it comes out? Do you think it will fall flatter than expected? How do you think it'll stack up against the Spider Man games' success?

I have zero interest in the Marvel stuff but I thought bringing Wolverine's upcoming release into the Marvel burnout fold might lead to some good discussion.
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No link between the games and the movies. Most people watched the Marvel movies from Iron Man to Endgame as a big long film (or TV series), the story was over, there is nothing much interesting afterwards
 
I liked the Deadpool/Wolverine movie. I think that was my last Marvel anything. Time for Disney to make new IP's based on the Abu Dhabi Disney Theme Park.
 
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I think people have MCU burnout more than Marvel burnout.
Wolverine could stand out by delivering something that feels refreshingly different in visual and tone, like Marvel Rivals or Logan.

They are not going to do that though, it's probably going to be the adventures of Wolvenperson and strong independen bisexual Jean Grey, but technically they could.
 
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I don't think movies have too much influence on the games or even the comic industry.

Besides, Deadpool & Wolverine was the second highest grossing movie of 2024 and X-Men '97 has been a big hit.
 
We got TWO GTA6 trailers before a Wolverine trailer. Which is fucking insane.

Dont know why they even bothered announcing this game.
 
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Fbh said:
Wolverine could stand out by delivering something that feels refreshingly different in visual and tone, like Marvel Rivals or Logan.
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Honestly considering the fact that the tone of Wolverine in the comics, movies, and last game have mostly been of sadness, rage, and loss, an actual different tone for the game would be to make him slightly more light hearted like Uncharted/Indiana Jones going on a grand adventure, or his fun Capcom version, or like the Xmen cartoons after the 90s one where he was a mentor and a person who had already lived through past events.

The typical path here would actually be to make him suffer through everything again, as every other piece of media has already done. I'm already expecting the latter.
 
i'm as concerned about insomniac burnout as anything else. while they continue to succeed, profit-wise, they've been looking a bit depleted imagination-wise. maybe a new property like wolverine can jump-start them?...
 
I just like great super hero action games. I'd prefer Infamous tbh. Don't give two shits about Marvel but I get Spider-Man and I'll get Wolverine.
 
It will be fine. Plus you have to factor in the fact the most MCU products have been badly received in the past years because most of these products were mid / bad compare to what came before. The trend has less to do with fatigue than quality. If/when Marvel produce good stuff again (relatively speaking), people will like it basically the same as before.
 
powder said:
exhaustion among fans of the Marvel movies and shows due to over-saturation MID-LACKLUSTER releases.
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The game is not going to flop. but I don't know if the buzz afterward is going to be that great (especially if the game has some weird woke things here and there )
 
Has Insomniac really been radio silent this whole time since the leak and both directors left the project? I can't recall of any updates at all
 
powder said:
I've been reading a lot of stuff about the apparent exhaustion among fans of the Marvel movies and shows due to over-saturation of releases.
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As in Star Wars and in many other places, there is a burnout of wokism and bad movies or series instead. When they make good movies and series they work very well.

powder said:
How do you think this will affect reception of the Wolverine game when it comes out?
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If it's good enough and not woke anough, Wolverine will break sales records as Marvel Rivals or Spider-Man 2 did.
 
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Over-saturation, it's a cope because they're worse in quality on top of the formula being tired.
 
Maitre_Piccolo said:
It will be fine. Plus you have to factor in the fact the most MCU products have been badly received in the past years because most of these products were mid / bad compare to what came before. The trend has less to do with fatigue than quality. If/when Marvel produce good stuff again (relatively speaking), people will like it basically the same as before.
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Nothing changed then? The MCU always had more mid and bad movies than good ones.
 
Over-the-shoulder combat and slow walk while Wolverine talks in the earpiece about social issues burnout will probably get to it before the Marvel burnout does.
 
Fbh said:
I think people have MCU burnout more than Marvel burnout.
Wolverine could stand out by delivering something that feels refreshingly different in visual and tone, like Marvel Rivals or Logan.

They are not going to do that though, it's probably going to be the adventures of Wolvenperson and strong independen bisexual Jean Grey, but technically they could.
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Seems like it's perfect time to reboot X-Men as a group of trans women who are "ex-men"
 
Durin said:
Over-saturation, it's a cope because they're worse in quality on top of the formula being tired.
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I think that's what the reporting is alluding to - budgets for the shows and movies are getting cut which is making the quality drop. Maybe they need to just chill with it for a while.
 
powder said:
I think that's what the reporting is alluding to - budgets for the shows and movies are getting cut which is making the quality drop. Maybe they need to just chill with it for a while.
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They probably should reduce their output, but some of these movies have higher budgets than the phase one of Marvel that were better quality.
 
Chuck Berry said:
Has Insomniac really been radio silent this whole time since the leak and both directors left the project? I can't recall of any updates at all
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It has been oddly quiet. Would be crazy if they cancelled it and decided to switch gears. Maybe that development roadmap we saw leaked is changing
 
Topher said:
I think I'd be more excited about Wolverine if it was a studio other than Insomniac.
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They nailed it here. All they have to do is have that gameplay refined a bit and make it into a wide linear character action game. No open world bullshit with Wolvie helping the local community center.
 
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I never liked Marvel in the first place but I'm sick of it because like Minions back then it's fucking everywhere and it's infecting majority of western media.
 
Represent. said:
We got TWO GTA6 trailers before a Wolverine trailer. Which is fucking insane.

Dont know why they even bothered announcing this game.
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Hard to believe but pre-2022 SIE was a very different animal than what's come after.

And we technically have yet another phase post-Ryan, which is still in its early parts. I really think the ransomware hack set things back significantly with Wolverine, Insomniac have probably been busy heavily redesigning major chunks of the game.

Danjin44 said:
I never liked Marvel in the first place but I'm sick of it because like Minions back then it's fucking everywhere and it's infecting majority of western media.
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Yeah I haven't gone to the movies for an MCU film in ages and don't plan to. Kinda why I'm glad to see more video game film adaptations breaking through with Sonic, Mario, even Minecraft.

And if Sinners is any indication maybe people are ready to support original non-adaptation works more going forward. Should bode well for Nolan's Odyssey (well, okay that's kind of an adaptation itself but loosely & not around a commercial IP per se).
 
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March Climber said:
Honestly considering the fact that the tone of Wolverine in the comics, movies, and last game have mostly been of sadness, rage, and loss, an actual different tone for the game would be to make him slightly more light hearted like Uncharted/Indiana Jones going on a grand adventure, or his fun Capcom version, or like the Xmen cartoons after the 90s one where he was a mentor and a person who had already lived through past events.

The typical path here would actually be to make him suffer through everything again, as every other piece of media has already done. I'm already expecting the latter.
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I've been wanting a wolverine that is happy and things go his way for ages. Every story is the same. Id envision a wolverine who has Domino's good luck and shit just backfires that tries to harm anyone he cares about.

Heard the new ultimate wolverine is the same as its always been. Loved Logan but that should have been a signal to any creative to ease up a little. He did get to bang Jean Grey in the krakoa saga by Jonathan Hickman cause they were in a trople with cyclops.

But according to the leaked script of the game it's a BLEAK wolverine game
 
Lunarorbit said:
I've been wanting a wolverine that is happy and things go his way for ages. Every story is the same. Id envision a wolverine who has Domino's good luck and shit just backfires that tries to harm anyone he cares about.

Heard the new ultimate wolverine is the same as its always been. Loved Logan but that should have been a signal to any creative to ease up a little. He did get to bang Jean Grey in the krakoa saga by Jonathan Hickman cause they were in a trople with cyclops.

But according to the leaked script of the game it's a BLEAK wolverine game
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I mean, Deadpool and Wolverine ended on an extremely happy note for that Wolverine variant.
 
Doom85 said:
I mean, Deadpool and Wolverine ended on an extremely happy note for that Wolverine variant.
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A variant who had lost everyone he cared about before finally getting a win.

Lunarorbit Lunarorbit was Patch Wolverine also a sad story or did it mix things up? From an outside perspective it looked like Wolverine playing James Bond, which seems like a fun idea.
 
Make a great game and it will perform well.

Of the game is good and has tons of great genuine feedback amongst people and on here, a lot of us will pick it up and enjoy it.
 
March Climber said:
A variant who had lost everyone he cared about before finally getting a win.

Lunarorbit Lunarorbit was Patch Wolverine also a sad story or did it mix things up? From an outside perspective it looked like Wolverine playing James Bond, which seems like a fun idea.
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-I mean, he got a satisfying ending for himself, that the important thing, right?

-Patch in the comics is the main universe Wolverine, not a variant of him, if that's what you're implying (my apologies if you weren't). It's the alias/disguise Wolverine went by during a story arc in the early days of his solo comic, when he goes to the fictional island of Madripoor which is divided by Lowtown (the poor district) and Hightown (the rich district). The Hightown district of Madripoor has appeared in the MCU in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier show when Sam, Bucky, and Zemo go there in episode 3. In Deadpool and Wolverine, it's also likely the variant Deadpool finds dressed as Patch is in Hightown (as he seems to be in a pretty nice-looking casino).
 
clarky said:
Marvel doesn't suffer from burnout, it suffers from terrible quality. Same with Star Wars.
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The low quality for a long period of time is what ultimately leads to burnout.
Like Disney really killed my interest and excitement for Star Wars to the point that I just don't really give a shit anymore. Even when they release stuff that people say is actually good, like Andor S2, I just don't care anymore.

I'll still check out new SW games because the world and setting have potential for good gameplay. But everything else is no longer relevant to me.
 
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Wolverine is one of the most popular characters so I think it will be ok. I would be more worried about Spiderman 3 though, the 2nd game was such a woke lugubrious slog and I think it did damage to the franchise despite what it sold. The PC port did not do well.

clarky said:
Marvel doesn't suffer from burnout, it suffers from terrible quality. Same with Star Wars.
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Here's the thing about Marvel. For over a decade people went to see anything with the Marvel name on it. Even stuff they never heard of like Ant Man. After Endgame, people aren't going to sign up for that again. It's too much. We are back to pre-MCU world where people are going to see movies with characters they like and skip everything else. They don't care about the entire MCU. So yes there is burnout.

Star Wars, it's just too much shit and it's all terrible.
 
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It's clear that Sony's plan for Spider-Man 3 will involve wearable haptics- namely a full body Spider-Man suit. It will be the most immersive experience ever seen in gaming and bring new life to the superhero genre.
 
diffusionx said:
Here's the thing about Marvel. For over a decade people went to see anything with the Marvel name on it. Even stuff they never heard of like Ant Man. After Endgame, people aren't going to sign up for that again. It's too much. We are back to pre-MCU world where people are going to see movies with characters they like and skip everything else. They don't care about the entire MCU. So yes there is burnout.

Star Wars, it's just too much shit and it's all terrible.
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I don't think its burnout, i just think the concept has played itself out. They needed to end it after Endgame. The latest Captain America movie was fucking awful.

If they made a movie as good as OG Iron Man or Winter Soldier then people would turn up. Unfortunately with the set up they have currently have that is highly unlikely.
 
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I've got big-time Marvel burnout, basically ever since Endgame.

I didn't even play Spiderman 2, even though I LOVED the first one and mostly enjoyed MM.

I guess I'll probably give Wolverine a try, but it needs to bring something super new to the table for me.
 
Dacvak said:
I've got big-time Marvel burnout, basically ever since Endgame.

I didn't even play Spiderman 2, even though I LOVED the first one and mostly enjoyed MM.

I guess I'll probably give Wolverine a try, but it needs to bring something super new to the table for me.
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You know Wolverine with just be reskined Spiderman. Zero interest in that personally.
 
Considering the current state of woke infection within Insomniac I've got zero interest in the new Wolverine game. I wish X-Men Origins Wolverine was remastered, it's the only good game with this character I can think of.

There's definitely room for GOOD games with Marvel (or DC) superheroes. Midnight Suns had a whole bunch of them and both playing them and interacting with them in the sanctuary was cool.
 
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Deadpool and Wolverine did enough to show it's not so much Marvel fatigue as it is fatigue from the direction Marvel had been going recently.
 
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