Strider_Blaze
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*me drools and rubs hands together*
The special effects look great!
Trailer had me more hyped for the film.
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Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT2| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)
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*me drools and rubs hands together*
The special effects look great!
Trailer had me more hyped for the film.
The previous Avengers operations were immensely illegal, though! Other than the events of the original Avengers, where they're essentially government contractors working for SHIELD in an official capacity, the Avengers are essentially a team of mercenaries on Tony Stark's payroll. They're not waiting for permission to attack HYDRA bases.
The international community is willing to turn a blind eye, because they're doing good work and had earned a lot of goodwill from the whole New York business. But by the time the Accords are put together, the world has agreed they'll no longer tolerate it.
I guess the question there is twofold - is the Raft being operated by the UN, with Ross holding an official position and placed in charge of it's operations? Or is it an American black site, with Team Cap surrendered to US authority because they were operating a super-prison? (Would still be weird for the secretary of state to be personally running things, though...)
I rather doubt they've gone before a judge when Stark visits, but it really depends on how you define the Avengers. Private citizens? Enemy combatants? Terrorists? Is this US jurisdiction, German, ICC?
If they've gone before a judge and officially been charged by the time Cap breaks them out, it's absolutely defensible legally. If not - which I admit is probably the case - yeah, they're being held illegally by pretty much any definition. I suspect that it's Ross doing so on behalf of the US government after Germany relinquished custody, though. The UN doesn't really have the framework to arrest or detain people.
As a digression, I think you could still make an argument for Wanda being detained, considering how little her powers are understood.
What? Steve helps Bucky escape from the government lead SWAT team, directly attacking members of the team so Bucky can get away. Bucky then legs it. That falls pretty neatly into the definition of "escape"
The Accords do supersede previous UN Law, specifically in relation to all metahuman matters, yes. Because those regulations instantly become UN Law, the moment the bill is passed. That's sort of the entire point of the film. There's absolutely no indication whatsoever in the film that Steve's team being imprisoned is an illegal act, either...especially in conjunction with the Accords having recently been implemented and a General within the United States Military (General Ross) and Stark working within the facility...so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
"Character consistency and progression at its finest."
Let's not go overboard, buddy.
Jest Chillin
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That's my point. It was always illegal and they weren't ever generally recieved as "bad guys" for it. Hence my "not a fugitive in the typical sense."
Ross is placed in charge of the enforcement of the Accords by the UN, so any actions taken under them falls to their purview regardless of his political ranking with the US Gov't.
Fair enough @ Wanda. I'm still sticking to not-a-mutant = Human though. ;p
He attacks some and directly saves the lives of others and again, never lets Bucky escape him. Your version is how Ross would undoubtedly spin it but it's not strictly the truth as the events happen.
The can not supersede UN Law as the Accords are not aimed only at Super/Meta-humans. They apply to Widow and Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Iron Man, and Falcon. Who are normal Humans. By your logic, those laws would then also apply to any force on the planet operating within one of the signed countries borders without express UN permission. Which would apply to any and all wars, skirmishes, etc.. that happen within the signed countries borders, including actions BY those signed countries.
They're being held in a black site. The entire concept of a black site is that it's a violation of UN law simply by existing. The locations existence is the very first thing that makes Tony doubt his decision to sign the Accords.
I think we need to set Doctor Strange on this case
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
All you need is a big picture of Tony for the Stark Cinematic Universe.
Have you come to bargain?
Just fill up the OT3 with pictures of Carol Danvers.
Slayven will never join us again
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I finished up Iron Fist yesterday, it was better than what I expected, but I went in with very low expectations. Still the worst effort out of all Marvel Netflix seasons. Actor playing Danny Rand can't fight, or even make believe like he could fight. He also is not cut like the Danny Rand from the comics, so that took me out of it a bit. I also never understood where the story was going where they kept changing who was going to turn on him.
I should have known better because the dude directed the worst seasons of Dexter. On the plus side, it does tamper my expectations for Inhumans.
I should have known better because the dude directed the worst seasons of Dexter. On the plus side, it does tamper my expectations for Inhumans.
broncobuster
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Speaking of Carol, apparently Brie Larson was asked about it often during the Kong press tour. Haven't heard any of it myself to know if there's anything of substance, but she should've read the IW script by now.
As bad as Carol is, I think Larson is great and I'm excited to see how they distance the movie character from the comic character to turn Captain Marvel into an interesting and charismatic heroine.
broncobuster
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Wait til they announce John Goodman as Uncle Ben.
I buy that public opinion would be divided on Cap - I can see the "Hero or Traitor?" headlines now - but I don't buy schools showing stuff with him. He's controversial at best and condemned by the US government at worst.
Like, for example, I can't imagine a school presenting a pep talk from Edward Snowden without very specific context.
Okay, in that case, there's an issue, because the UN doesn't have the authority to pursue and detain criminals. So maybe Ross is acting with UN oversight but using the machinery of member states (I would assume US military and German police, possibly Interpol). No one is being held on UN authority in that case. Though I imagine they would probably ask where they went, and the US going "uhh no comment" wouldn't cut it there.
The other option is that the UN, via the Sokovia Accords, authorized a temporary detention policy via some sort of task force. In that case we can't really say what their detention policy is - in this fictional framework, Team Cap may well have already had their hearings and simply have been denied bail.
I legit might do this. I wanna gonna include cast photos for all the major players but I can just put her in everybody else's place.
Black Panther.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSLzwAclDV7/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSLzwAclDV7/
Haven't been on gaf for awhile so I'm assuming you have seen the past bts vids of this shoot (which should wrap shooting this week.)
I've seen them but they haven't been posted in here.
THe MCU was good before him, it'll be good after him. lol
I'm assuming if the deal works out well for both sides they'll come to an agreement. If I had to guess, maybe Sony wants even more MCU movies (e.g. Venom or Black Cat)?
What I've seen was really just fluff, e.g. talk about what she wants Captain Marvel to be. Don't think there was anything concrete.
I feel like the article I read about the Venom movie indicated that it wouldn't be part of the MCU. I'll see if I can find it.
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http://io9.gizmodo.com/venom-will-be-sonys-attempt-to-break-into-r-rated-comic-1793681257
I think that's where I got it from.
George Oscar Bluth II
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If Sony Pictures are actually considering separating from the MCU, it shouldn't be all that surprising. We've seen how inept they are.
I think Sony is weighing MCU money vs R-Rated Deadpool/Logan money. It seems like an easy choice to us but as you said, we are talking about Sony.
BrokenFiction
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Fuck Sony. You'll come back for that Marvel money, cause you've got nothing else.
I mean this goes without saying. This seems like a non story though.
BrokenFiction
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How dare you, sir! This is the internet! I need outrage to survive!
*drowns in outrage*
torre_avenue
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That is literally the logline of the film. That's exactly why Toomes is pissed.
fallengorn
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What if Stark hired Toomes all along so Damage Control has a constant flow of business. Whatatwist!
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