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Marvel is dumb. Spider-Man gets organic webshooters.
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Quadrophenic
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Hahahaha. hahahhaha. hahahaha. hhahaha.
I haven't read a comic since around 1991 so please explain to me what in god names happened to the art ....they look like they just arrived from Japan everyting glossy and over or under exagerated wtf is up with everyone looking like a teen? no wrinkles, no blotchy paint , no hand painted shadowing thingy...how can people accept this crap as a comic? comic are supposed to be kindy fluggly within.
Manabanana
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Andre the Giant hands!
Exactly. "Fans" are bitching. Marvel is just making this change to appeal to Joe Nobody, just walking out of Spider-Man 2. What about the guys that were here all along? The guys that stuck through the Clone Saga, and the Howard Mackie relaunch.Bacon said:
WHAT ABOUT US?!
I'm just going to pretend the organic web-shooters never happened in the comics.Drensch said:
You're reading about 3 Spider-Man books too many.Seth C said:
Aren't you going to miss the "uh-oh, I'm out of web-fluid" moments? I will. (A shame nobody ever writes theses in anymore).
Now, Marvel is going to come up with some poor reasoning to explain the organic webshooters. When Peter is bumping uglies with Mary Jane, do the organic webshooters "shoot" as well?
Please explain.DeadStar said:
This faux-manga art style is only used in a few titles. Unfortunately, Spectacular Spider-Man, wide regarded as "the Spider-Man title for douchebags" is one of these titles. I can post some decent art if you'd like.thefit said:
You and me both, brother.shuri said:
Winged Creature
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They should keep the shooters mechanicals, u dont fuck around with these things. With all that said Batman is the greatest hero.
nomoment said:
No, I'm a casual fan. Sorry, I'm not hardcore. However, I would think if people can stomach the general absurdity of comics that have been running for decades with the same character(s) in a huge clusterfuck of alternate timelines, clones, time travel, etc, and a penchant for finding ways of rewriting history, I'd think they could handle a small change like this.
Quadrophenic
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karasu said:
Thats exactly why I liked the mechanical webshooters.
Ristamar said:
No shit. Of course, nomoment rarely says or does anything regarding comic books that actually makes sense.
I'm sure the effect will end up "wearing off" some years down the road when the writers get tired of it anyway. It's no big deal. They didn't even try to re-write Spidey's history (he still used his smarts and developed the web shooters, etc.). He basically became a spider, due to the affects of a mutant, and this is what was left over as a result.
Shogmaster
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I don't give a shit if mechanical shooter is the tradition. The tradition was idiotic!
What makes more sense? A teenager is able to invent the strongest known artificial fiber that shoots out of pill sized catridges in his basement lab in few months (weeks?) after being bitten by a radioactive spider, or the same radioactive spider bite that changed his body physiology to climb walls and super human strength and agility also gave him organic web shooters?
The organic shooter is much more sensical than mechanical. Deal with it.
What makes more sense? A teenager is able to invent the strongest known artificial fiber that shoots out of pill sized catridges in his basement lab in few months (weeks?) after being bitten by a radioactive spider, or the same radioactive spider bite that changed his body physiology to climb walls and super human strength and agility also gave him organic web shooters?
The organic shooter is much more sensical than mechanical. Deal with it.
karasu said:
And if you read the article you'll plainly see they can still do all of those things. He still DID come up with all of those webbings. They are not re-writing Spider-Man's past. He can still run out of webbing. Hell, they basically already did it in the Spider-Man 2 movie. He can run out of organic webbing just as easily as he can synthetic.
If there were interesting stories that hadn't been done involving the web shooters themselves, I could understand the fuss. There aren't, or they've already been done. The fact that Spider-Man could shoot webs had just become an accepted ability of the character. For years now where they come from has been a completely unimportant, non-existent part of any Spider-Man storyline.
I'm a hardcore Spider-Man fan. If they were re-writing his history I'd be upset. They aren't, so I look forward to seeing how the writers deal with the change.
Neh... I think this is a good move, but a little late. I had been reading Spiderman in the 80s and stopped somewhere in the mid 90s. Marvel started the 2099 line with Spiderman who had organic webshooters and i thought "geez, this makes a lot more sense than some non-scientist kid making mechanical 'webshooters.'" The 60s was full of cornball ideas and I'm glad that writers try and update the image of characters (course, they really overdo it most of the time).
BTW, does the Ultimate Spiderman use mechanical or organic webshooters?
BTW, does the Ultimate Spiderman use mechanical or organic webshooters?
Also... I've been hearing a lot about Aunt May being alive in the comics again. WTF????
Everything that happened in the mid-90s and later seems to not have happened. Did people like these revisions? If so... how can you complain about these newer ones? =P
I'm really against writing certain things out or pretending somethings never happened.. or just plain changing continuity around in the main series. Isn't this why the Ultimate universe was made? So that they can start all over again and draw in a new audience with updated versions of old characters?
Everything that happened in the mid-90s and later seems to not have happened. Did people like these revisions? If so... how can you complain about these newer ones? =P
I'm really against writing certain things out or pretending somethings never happened.. or just plain changing continuity around in the main series. Isn't this why the Ultimate universe was made? So that they can start all over again and draw in a new audience with updated versions of old characters?
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You mean they weren't organic before ??!!
Shouta
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http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/SPECSM021002_color.jpg <--- good looking Black Cat
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spidey3.jpg <---- Really fucking ugly by any standard -_-.
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spidey3.jpg <---- Really fucking ugly by any standard -_-.
Ristamar said:
Heh...
Can't say I care...soon as I saw the thread title, I thought to myself "well, who cares...when's the last time the web cartridges were a big fucking deal in one of his stories?". If someone has the answer let me know, cause as of now I'm thinking you'd have to go back to pre-Clone War stories.
Dodson's Black Cat > Everybody else's Black Cat.
And Shouta, please don't link to the pages in the article. They're all butt-ugly. Let me post some real Spider-Man art, ala Frank Cho:
(I swear, someone needs to give this guy a regular Spider-Man assignment. He's drawn the best version of the character and villains I've seen in a while)
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MK_SPIDEY_5_1.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0807.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0808.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0809.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0813.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0816REVISED.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0821REVISED.jpg
Simply gorgeous.
And Shouta, please don't link to the pages in the article. They're all butt-ugly. Let me post some real Spider-Man art, ala Frank Cho:
(I swear, someone needs to give this guy a regular Spider-Man assignment. He's drawn the best version of the character and villains I've seen in a while)
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MK_SPIDEY_5_1.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0807.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0808.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0809.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0813.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0816REVISED.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/Spider-_Man/MKSM0821REVISED.jpg
Simply gorgeous.
Regarding Venom, I'm pretty sure Eddie Brock will return as the "normal" Venom by the end of MK: Spider-Man #8. We'll see.DeadStar said:
And yeah, I absolutely love Tim Sale's Spider-Man (and New York, as well). His art in general, is very impressionistic -- which I feel an artist must possess if he wants to draw a good Spider-Man. Of the recent Spider-Man artists, I'd say Terry Dodson, Frank Cho, Tim Sale, and (probably) Mark Buckingham have managed to pull off this new, "old school" look.
Shouta
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That's pretty good. It is really old-school in feel (although a bit sleeker). I don't like the Venom though. Well, it's more so the fact that looking at his face in the B&W makes me think of Spawn (*shudder*).
You know very well why I linked it, to show what fugly looks like ;p.
Oh and about Dodson's Black Cat, I remembered what I didn't like about. It was his facial/head design for her. It was always too feral for me which I didn't like. It makes me think she's going were-cat on me and rip my face out whenever I look at his work. The Black Cat that's in the link I posted struck a cord with me because of the subdued and slightly smug look on her face and the more "normal" structure of her features. I reiterate though, though Dodson gets a "Mmmmm" for shiny
You know very well why I linked it, to show what fugly looks like ;p.
Oh and about Dodson's Black Cat, I remembered what I didn't like about. It was his facial/head design for her. It was always too feral for me which I didn't like. It makes me think she's going were-cat on me and rip my face out whenever I look at his work. The Black Cat that's in the link I posted struck a cord with me because of the subdued and slightly smug look on her face and the more "normal" structure of her features. I reiterate though, though Dodson gets a "Mmmmm" for shiny
Shinobi said:
THANK FUCKING YOU!!!! When was the last time running out of webbing was an issue for Spiderman. I'm willing to bet that in the 50 years the comic has been published no more than 10 times has his webbing or lack of been made an issue. It's like the Flash, he's supposedly the fasteest man on Earth, can run through time and vibrate through walls. If this was true then all the Flash comics would be the same thing. he finds out the bad guy is up to something so he runs back in time and stops him the day before the villain starts his plan. Does this happen, no. he's only the fasterest man alive when the writers need him to be, likewise with Spiderman and his shooter, only when their is need for drama does he run out, and that happenes far and few between. .
A few important points:ShadowRed said:
1. Running out of webbing hasn't been an issue for Spider-Man lately because the writers no longer need it. The medium has evolved to the extent where characters don't need the "running out a webbing factor" as comic relief, or as a cheap cliffhanger. However, just because the writers don't need this motif, doesn't mean they can't use it. The introduction of organic webbing removes the possibility of this "classic" moment. (And yes, I know Breevort says in the interview that Spidey can run out of organic webbing, etc., but it won't be the same.)
2. The current Flash can't run back in time without the Cosmic Treadmill. He also can't vibrate through solid objects without causing them to explode. The Flash hasn't been able to do this stuff since pre-Crisis!
And suggesting that the Flash should travel back in time to stop a villain before he starts is absurd. Haven't you learned anything? You can't travel back in time and alter the past without severely fucking up the future!
karasu
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Shinobi said:
Running out of webbing is only one side of it. I also liked how he came up with different types of webbing, impact webbing and shit. And mainly, it's lame to change something just because a fucking movie is popular. It's like they think the movie was popular because of his Organic webbing for crying out loud.
The science shit is a stupid excuse though. I hate when people say "How is a kid gonna create super sticky shit that Nasa hasn't created". For one people create useful crap that Nasa hasn't created all of the time, and two this isa fucking comic where cops tend to fly around with jetpacks,goverments create 100 foot tll robots with a vast array of superpowers, and the cure for pimples is a holographic projector.
nomoment said:
Unfortunately, you don't matter to these comic book publishers, because the bottom line is that despite all the fanboy bitching about changes to their beloeved characters, they all continue to buy the books anyway. It's getting new readers that Marvel is concerned about.
And yeah, giving Spider-Man organic web shooters is really lame. I thought they created the Ultimate universe to do crap like this?
>He also can't vibrate through solid objects without causing them to explode.
A tangent to the thread but I'm pretty sure Flash could do this during Waid's run since even Impulse could do it. I take it Johns changed that. I personally liked all the things Flash could do around the speed of light since it's theoretically possible in quantum physics.
A tangent to the thread but I'm pretty sure Flash could do this during Waid's run since even Impulse could do it. I take it Johns changed that. I personally liked all the things Flash could do around the speed of light since it's theoretically possible in quantum physics.
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