Marvel vs Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds |OT| - Ya down with OTG? Yeah, you know me!
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Kuugrr said:
I'm not too far from Newark! Wish I knew what place though - screw it I'm just gonna call all of them.
do you honestly believe that they're hating on it solely because it's different? c'mon now.notworksafe said:
you're pretty much corroborating Wong's point. it's easy to get good in this game. it wasn't for mvc2. this is not to say that there's anything wrong with it being easier, but at least empathize their point of view instead of impetuously disregarding it as "hate."
I really don't understand the people that will play one specific character just 'to win' even if it's not fair or even that fun.
do most people realize? probably not. so it's a non issue. do the 'leaguers' or whatever realize? if so, rule the overpowered characters out.
all this just reminds me of is how everyone played fucking Sagat and Ken online for the first 8 months of SF4.
do most people realize? probably not. so it's a non issue. do the 'leaguers' or whatever realize? if so, rule the overpowered characters out.
all this just reminds me of is how everyone played fucking Sagat and Ken online for the first 8 months of SF4.
Let's take for granted that Sentinel is the ABSOLUTE OMEGA GOD TIER in this game... last time I checked there are 3 characters in a team.
So if both players pick Sentinel and pick 2 different players to support him, that's still more variety and diversity you will have than MVC2.
Normally I wouldn't be up in arms about this but I am a huge MVC fan but even I can see the faults in MVC2, which were substantial. Supporting MVC2 OVER MVC3 I just don't comprehend. There is no real argument here.
So if both players pick Sentinel and pick 2 different players to support him, that's still more variety and diversity you will have than MVC2.
Normally I wouldn't be up in arms about this but I am a huge MVC fan but even I can see the faults in MVC2, which were substantial. Supporting MVC2 OVER MVC3 I just don't comprehend. There is no real argument here.
notworksafe
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Well I'm just saying "back to MvC2" thing is just a tear-stained letter from him. Maybe it's just me but I don't care what Wong says, especially when it's about Sentinel being strong in MvC3. Because he wasn't good in MvC2 at all, right?El Sloth said:
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enzo_gt said:
Yep. I despised playing as Blackheart, but his VA is the reason I'm going to try and learn him. His VA is gdlk.
SonOfABeep
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damn wong is really talking some shit about this game.
he knows what he's talking about too. has me worried.
I'm super hype for it but I'm worried it's going to be shallow and devolve into the same 2 combos for each team quickly.
We will see.
he knows what he's talking about too. has me worried.
I'm super hype for it but I'm worried it's going to be shallow and devolve into the same 2 combos for each team quickly.
We will see.
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HK-47 said:
Exactly the point I've been trying to make the entire time. Matt Fraction, Joss Whedon and to some extent, Grant Morrison, have done a lot to make him a far better and more likable character.
notworksafe
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What's Wong's point? That Sentinel is good in this game as oppose to 2? Riiight.ntropy said:
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Oh man...im crying lolChamber said:
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notworksafe said:
Reading this within the context of his other twats, I think what he's saying is that Sentinel is good, but in MVC3 you can learn 100% combos and just beast with him in like 5 minutes and MVC2 Sentinel is also good, but getting good with him isn't quite that easy.
I'm probably the biggest Marvel newbie on GAF so maybe I'm off base here, but that's what it seems like he's saying to me and there's a pretty big difference between saying that, and simply bitching because a character is strong.
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Where? About what?Spruchy said:
Oh, no, I agree with you there. I also don't see the big deal with Sentinel, but then again I never played MvC2 as seriously as he or Sanford did so I'm not gonna say anything about that. I was saying that of course he'll play it if he can make good money off it despite his problems with the game, wouldn't you?notworksafe said:
Yeah it's easy to get into this game. It's probably also "cheaper" but so what? If it's cheaper in the sense that EVERY character can do as much damage as Storm or other top tier characters or move just as fast or have as much health or more than Sentinel.. then I accept this new form of "cheapness".ntropy said:
I don't know, he has to be a bit more specific. The statements that he provides could easily be used against him and MVC2. "Wanna get good at MVC2? Yeah learn to play a runaway Storm who spams Hail and some B&B Sentinel tactics with combos using the CapCom assist. It's the best team in the game, you will be good against anything."
No, more like X-Factor is bullshit and turns heavy hitters into one man armies.notworksafe said:
We've all the seen the shit. Yeah, its okay to be hyped still, but that doesn't mean that its not a valid criticism of the game. 3 months from now, lvl 3 xfc is going to hit just as fucking hard
So as a general fan of fighting games, he should be happy to see more broken shit? cmon sonenzo_gt said:
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Went back to read some tweets of his and yeah, he's bitching because the game is "too easy". Yes, there isn't mega high level play yet. Might want to wait for it to be released before starting to give it a hard time on that front.Lost Fragment said:
Not at all. I think he should wait for the game to actually get out there for people to dissect before bitching as if it's broken forever. LV3 XF is going to be strong forever, yes. But that doesn't mean there won't be counters to it that are just as strong. From what I've played locally and online, being on point with aerial exchange combos is a good way to hold someone down and keep the damage on them high...so maybe something like that is a good counter to XF3. Time needs to be put into this game before automatically declaring it broken, imo.DY_nasty said:
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Justine Wong can complain all he wants.
Sentinel may sure as hell be overpowered in this game: I'll still play. I joined the MvsC2 bandwagon too late, and therefore sucked ass. I was not motivated to get better in that game, but I'm starting as early as I can with this game. I cannot wait for the upcoming "finds" and "strategies" in this game. All the characters look fun/interesting to use, and I rarely feel that about a fighting game.
Sentinel may sure as hell be overpowered in this game: I'll still play. I joined the MvsC2 bandwagon too late, and therefore sucked ass. I was not motivated to get better in that game, but I'm starting as early as I can with this game. I cannot wait for the upcoming "finds" and "strategies" in this game. All the characters look fun/interesting to use, and I rarely feel that about a fighting game.
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Most of the shit I've seen so far no one is using snap backs WTF with how bad assist get raped in this, I figured I'd see it more often... oh well most people playing now are casual xD
Sounds like Wong needs to stop being a bitch and step his game up.
Easier combos for every character in this game mean he isn't going to be able to just rely on out-executing everyone to make it in the top 8 at Evo, at least not initially. The field is more level, and now we find out who the REALLY good fighting game players are.
Easier combos for every character in this game mean he isn't going to be able to just rely on out-executing everyone to make it in the top 8 at Evo, at least not initially. The field is more level, and now we find out who the REALLY good fighting game players are.
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enzo_gt said:
I initially felt the same way about Mega-man but after playing Zero, Arthur and Viewtiful Joe I don't miss Mega-Man in the slightest. He was a really boring character in Mvc1 and 2 IMHO. Strider and Silver Surfer would be nice though and it looks likely that we'll get Frank West so my only real request is for a Spidey villian: he easily has the best rogues gallery this side of Batman or the X-Men. If Volnut makes it in for god's sake give him a helmet.
Its still early, and he's still going to play the game and people are still going to by it. Its Mahvel, etc.notworksafe said:
Still, XFC is some of the most unnecessary shit to ever exist. Its manufactured cheese. No way to cut around it. People are going to (have to) learn to deal with it, but that doesn't change what it is. No need to downplay it either.
lol u funnyGatorBait said:
Nah I'm saying he shouldn't be happy going back to MvC2 because it is even MORE broken shit. MvC3 is nowhere NEAR as broken as MvC2 if early indications go, and Sentinel is not god tier the way probably thinks, so I doubt it's him seeing more broken shit, and it's more of him facing the grim reality that Sentinel isn't the same anymore and *god forbid* he might be more accessible.DY_nasty said:
His complaint sounds especially stupid since it implies the ability to use and execute moves as a character is much easily acquired, and this is a bad thing. This isn't SSFIV fam, execution of moves is pretty secondary to the whole team management and synergy mechanic.
enzo_gt said:
How are the two even synonymous? Your irony is gossamer at best. Two different games two different characters. I think the point being made is that Sentinel is still OP, but he's much easier to tap into.
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From what I've played so far, it seems to be like Ultras in SF4. It's a good way to catch up in a match and if you know what you doing (or your opponant doesn't) you can really use it to turn the tide and get a win.DY_nasty said:
Gotta watch this while i do some work.Judderman said:
I agree the reason that the old guard is upset with mvc3 is that its less overhead to own people. They can't out muscle memory everyone. Less barrier to entry for newbs means you are going to have to out think rather than out execute.
I am interested to see how capcom handles sentgod
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Ok first of all, no one here who has NEVER PLAYED SENTINEL BEFORE can pick up MVC3 Sentinel and beast with him in fucking 5 minutes or however much time he has claimed.
Sentinel is basically a 100% adaptation into MVC3 with a OTG Rocket Punch. It isn't hard for anyone who has played Sentinel before to get in, get used to fly/unfly, string the basic MVC2 combos for MVC2 and then attack a OTG Rocket Punch into HSF. Yeah, Sentinel is going to feel OP to that person because now he has an extra way of doing damage that he never had before.
But going back to the initial statement, Sentinel is still a very hard character to pick up and play. Constant dashes and moving in the air field with quick fly/unfly requires a lot of dexterity. If you are too slow you will get caught into a combo or if you mess up a fly you will get hit and will not be able to block on time. You can't just expect to pick up Sentinel, go into high level matches and jump in, hit, launcher, hit, OTG Rocket Punch into HSF. No one is going to let you in. Sentinel thrives on his air mobility and mastering his mobility in the skies takes a lot of practice, months to years to get it perfect.
JWong has mastered that aspect of him and so have a lot of MVC2 pros. Sentinel is familiar to them and thus overpowered compared to the rest of the cast. Thing is that every other pro is familiar with Sentinel so that's why initial matches are just going to be one pro's Sentinel against another. There will be tears flowing obviously but guess what... DEAL WITH IT. That's the fucking bottom line of MVC, there is cheap shit in the game and you say to yourself "this is the task I am presented with... how do I optimize my performance in this infrastructure".
Sentinel is basically a 100% adaptation into MVC3 with a OTG Rocket Punch. It isn't hard for anyone who has played Sentinel before to get in, get used to fly/unfly, string the basic MVC2 combos for MVC2 and then attack a OTG Rocket Punch into HSF. Yeah, Sentinel is going to feel OP to that person because now he has an extra way of doing damage that he never had before.
But going back to the initial statement, Sentinel is still a very hard character to pick up and play. Constant dashes and moving in the air field with quick fly/unfly requires a lot of dexterity. If you are too slow you will get caught into a combo or if you mess up a fly you will get hit and will not be able to block on time. You can't just expect to pick up Sentinel, go into high level matches and jump in, hit, launcher, hit, OTG Rocket Punch into HSF. No one is going to let you in. Sentinel thrives on his air mobility and mastering his mobility in the skies takes a lot of practice, months to years to get it perfect.
JWong has mastered that aspect of him and so have a lot of MVC2 pros. Sentinel is familiar to them and thus overpowered compared to the rest of the cast. Thing is that every other pro is familiar with Sentinel so that's why initial matches are just going to be one pro's Sentinel against another. There will be tears flowing obviously but guess what... DEAL WITH IT. That's the fucking bottom line of MVC, there is cheap shit in the game and you say to yourself "this is the task I am presented with... how do I optimize my performance in this infrastructure".
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It's not the fact that claiming MvC3 is broken that's lolworthy, but the retort consisting of going back to an even more broken game is. I cannot tell if the irony is intentional.
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Of course he will. I'm just saying he shouldn't dismiss it so quickly, and I'm sure he is just letting off a little steam after getting some L's online.El Sloth said:
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