Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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hariseldon said:
Just did my first ever DIY haircut today as I stupidly didn't get one before lockdown. It went as well as you'd expect.
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Im just going to imagine that you have the same hair cut as the owner of the Raiders...

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Techies said:

I'm seeing multiple new articles popping up the recent days around "cytokine storm"
And lots stories about patients near death recovering after receiving an Interleukin-6 inhibitor, especially from the frontline. Although it seems steroids are also used, but less effective or "less targeted"
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i wouldn't be opposed to taking a heroic dose of tocilizumab, under the right circumstances (with an injection of the live virus)

we'll see, mayo is looking at it
 
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Just a bump in the road at this point



"Straight" CFR right now is at around 6% (Deaths / Total Cases).

It's remaining pretty high even as testing ramps up, but should hopefully end lower once more testing is done for asymptomatic people.
 
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It really begs the question of why we have a WHO, but ultimately, it becomes a spoils system and will never go away. The WHO's job is to perpetuate the existence of the WHO.

Also - New York has negative hospital admission rates at the end of the first week with warm Spring-like weather... but we're totally going to be dealing with this all summer.

Also - is anyone else getting annoyed at all the virtue signaling commercials that don't actually mention what's going on. Like, "we know times are tough, but we are hear for you...." Just fuck off.
 
ManaByte said:
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That's not social distancing.

At the same time, I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of this, especially in California where their governor seems to fashion himself as the sole ruler of an independent nation state and wants an indefinite lockdown.
 
Zefah said:
That's not social distancing.

At the same time, I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of this, especially in California where their governor seems to fashion himself as the sole ruler of an independent nation state and wants an indefinite lockdown.
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He's Pelosi's nephew. Of course he thinks that.
 
Bluntman said:
What normal people would agree with the self destructive "liberal" EU "values"? Despite this, Hungarian people are one of the most pro EU thinking people in Europe, they just have common sense and know that the EU can't push every stupid shit at us, like the forced distribution of illegal immigrants by quotas. Germany and France sent them the invitation, they can keep them.
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So you want EU benefits, but not the responsibilities. That doesn't go together with the kind of solidarity the EU requires.
But I think it's okay if countries who don't agree with that instead decide to leave the EU.
 
Just finished making some masks for me and my wife - heavy cotton with shoelaces to keep them in place. I'm not a natural at sewing but I reckon they came out ok. Feeling pretty pleased with myself right now.
 
hariseldon said:
Just finished making some masks for me and my wife - heavy cotton with shoelaces to keep them in place. I'm not a natural at sewing but I reckon they came out ok. Feeling pretty pleased with myself right now.
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cool. homemade masks rule. some masks showed up in my mail yesterday. only reason i left the house today.

got some TP at Publix. they had signs saying one pack per customer so thank god i could actually get one. lot of people in the store, some of them without masks. lot of silly joggers and shit just out and about like nothing is up.

got home and had a text from my ex roommate. she works at Whole Foods in another state. she told me they had a Rona case in one of the employees at the store down the street from me! so im staying in for good now :messenger_medmask:
 
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All this evidence of COVID death numbers being inflated with questionable death certificates is making me wonder if China's death toll is the real one and WE are the ones doing the lying.....
 
Birdo said:
All this evidence of COVID death numbers being inflated with questionable death certificates is making me wonder if China's death toll is the real one and WE are the ones doing the lying.....
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So you think almost every other country is lying, but China is the honest one?

Even in the US that seems suspect. I could maybe see a few cities or states trying to pad their count, but find it unlikely to even be manageable across a whole state or the whole united states. We're not that coordinated, and states themselves operate completely differently than each other. Some cities/states HATE Trump and I could see them changing numbers to make him look bad, while others LOVE Trump and could change their numbers to make him look good.. but odds are most are just reporting numbers as best they can.

Other countries.. uhh maybe? But you're saying there is some sort of coordinated movement to play up COVID-19 deaths by the whole world...?

Tanzania has 3 deaths out of 32 cases, that's a 9% CFR! They're definitely in on the plot. 😷
 
Birdo said:
All this evidence of COVID death numbers being inflated with questionable death certificates is making me wonder if China's death toll is the real one and WE are the ones doing the lying.....
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nah China still be lying.

The debate about the death toll being inflated is kinda of stupid and a distraction. Even Dr. Birx was straight up saying thats how we can't it, with not from.

The only difference it will make is in the future where we can understand how deadly the virus is, but it makes 0 difference during a pandemic.

For now if the virus speed up their deaths or not doesn't change the fact that hospitals and funeral homes are being over run in heavy hit areas, and that we are placing an unfair burden on health professionals. They didn't sign up for a pandemic and to work 12 hours a day in the most dangerous and infectious places in the world.

When we get through the pandemic we can then seperate the with's and the from's.
 
www.jpost.com

Coronavirus is the leading cause of death in the US - report

In interactive time lapse analysis, the US death toll is shown to have risen from just 12 on March 15, to overtaking the nation's previous leading cause of death, with 1,940 deaths on April 8.
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Interesting little graph they have. COVID has overtaken all other disease in USA to become number 1 per day average killer

Surprisingly Heart Disease kills 1774 a day, cancer 1641 a day, followed by accidents (466) and Chronic lung diseases (439).

they wanted to include suicide by Hillary Clinton on there but the numbers are too high to measure.
 
Birdo said:
Most aren't even testing.

On top of that. Dying of other illnesses with COVID-19 is being counted as dying OF COVID-19.
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Generally I don't know if it matters.

If someone goes and gets tested for COVID-19, picks up their results and it says they're positive, and on the drive home to self-quarantine they get in a car accident and die. Should that be counted as a COVID-19 death? No, I don't think so. Would it? I have no idea, but I don't think so.

If someone with cancer gets COVID-19, and it severely hastens their exit from this world, I think it's fair to say the death is a result of COVID-19. Would they/Could they have died ANYWAY? Maybe? It's possible, but then again so is anything.

I think if COVID-19 plays a part in the demise, it should be counted. It'd be nice to have a more granular count, but not sure that's possible in the worst hit places. It'd also be nice to get a count of people who died from other things, but directly due to the COVID-19 outbreak (heart attack and couldn't get help fast enough due to overwhelmed hospitals etc).
 
Jooxed said:
As I mentioned before in the thread a lot of overweight people have undiagnosed conditions which make things worse for them. Diabetes, Heart Conditions, Hypertension. Which probably also really contributes to this. Could be he had none of this going and and was relatively healthy besides his weight or could be luck of the draw.
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Yeah, I get that, and I've stated before that having underlying conditions increases your chances of having a more severe outcome if you catch this virus. The person I was quoting stated that anyone with a BMI over 25 was screwed regardless of health conditions and I was giving an example of someone that wasn't.
 
cryptoadam said:
www.jpost.com

Coronavirus is the leading cause of death in the US - report

In interactive time lapse analysis, the US death toll is shown to have risen from just 12 on March 15, to overtaking the nation's previous leading cause of death, with 1,940 deaths on April 8.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

Interesting little graph they have. COVID has overtaken all other disease in USA to become number 1 per day average killer

Surprisingly Heart Disease kills 1774 a day, cancer 1641 a day, followed by accidents (466) and Chronic lung diseases (439).

they wanted to include suicide by Hillary Clinton on there but the numbers are too high to measure.
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Since March 15th... Well fuck, I imagine so, since we're shutting down the country for it.

Let's see where things shake out at the end of the year and looking at the entire year.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
Generally I don't know if it matters.

If someone goes and gets tested for COVID-19, picks up their results and it says they're positive, and on the drive home to self-quarantine they get in a car accident and die. Should that be counted as a COVID-19 death? No, I don't think so. Would it? I have no idea, but I don't think so.

If someone with cancer gets COVID-19, and it severely hastens their exit from this world, I think it's fair to say the death is a result of COVID-19. Would they/Could they have died ANYWAY? Maybe? It's possible, but then again so is anything.

I think if COVID-19 plays a part in the demise, it should be counted. It'd be nice to have a more granular count, but not sure that's possible in the worst hit places. It'd also be nice to get a count of people who died from other things, but directly due to the COVID-19 outbreak (heart attack and couldn't get help fast enough due to overwhelmed hospitals etc).
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It doesn't matter right now, but in the future it will matter.

If 100 people die of covid the hospital is still full with 100 people. But if you care about how deadly it is there is a difference if 100 people die and 99 of them were on oxygen machines with lung cancer and 1 of them was healthy it makes a difference on how deadly the virus is for the general public.

But that doesn't matter NOW when we are in the middle of the pandemic because thats still 100 people dead and clogging up the hospital system.

It will help though when we try to get back to "normal" live in identifying who are the most vulnerable in society and how we can protect them.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
Generally I don't know if it matters.

If someone goes and gets tested for COVID-19, picks up their results and it says they're positive, and on the drive home to self-quarantine they get in a car accident and die. Should that be counted as a COVID-19 death? No, I don't think so. Would it? I have no idea, but I don't think so.

If someone with cancer gets COVID-19, and it severely hastens their exit from this world, I think it's fair to say the death is a result of COVID-19. Would they/Could they have died ANYWAY? Maybe? It's possible, but then again so is anything.

I think if COVID-19 plays a part in the demise, it should be counted. It'd be nice to have a more granular count, but not sure that's possible in the worst hit places. It'd also be nice to get a count of people who died from other things, but directly due to the COVID-19 outbreak (heart attack and couldn't get help fast enough due to overwhelmed hospitals etc).
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Pretty much. its a grey area.

I've made this point before, but a lot of diseases severly threatening your immune system are very treatable these days (thanks to modern medicine) to the point of having only like 5-10 years cut from your lifespan.
In that case COVID-19 acts as a untimely trigger and is most definitely a major factor in the death.

But I think all of this are questions we can only really answer when the whole things over. Hopefully we're better prepared and make optimized (Both from a medical and economic standpoint) choices when something else comes along.
 
PrellboGark said:
So you want EU benefits, but not the responsibilities. That doesn't go together with the kind of solidarity the EU requires.
But I think it's okay if countries who don't agree with that instead decide to leave the EU.
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The EU doesn't require solidarity, it needs a proper leadership. If anything, this virus finally exposed that the EU is slow, ineffective and numb, and every proper solution comes down to the nation states. The EU doesn't have a unified army nor any border control.

The EU is a barely functioning economic alliance right now and don't feed me the bullshit that it's some kind of gift to be part of that.

Yes, Hungary gets lots of funds from the EU but it's not a gift, we basically gave up our market and industry when joining. The big countries, mainly Germany still get a lot more back than they give. Yes, we develop faster and live better but they have cheaper labor and we can buy more german luxury cars from them and stuff in the end.

The idea of an European Union is good. But it's that have to seriously course correct not the countries like Hungary.
 
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Bluntman said:
The EU doesn't require solidarity, it needs a proper leadership. If anything, this virus finally exposed that the EU is slow, ineffective and numb, and every proper solution comes down to the nation states. The EU doesn't have a unified army nor any border control.

The EU is a barely functioning economic alliance right now and don't feed me the bullshit that it's some kind of gift to be part of that.

Yes, Hungary gets lots of funds from the EU but it's not a gift, we basically gave up our market and industry when joining. The big countries, mainly Germany still get a lot more back than they give. Yes, we develop faster and live better but they have cheaper labor and we can buy more german luxury cars from them and stuff in the end.

The idea of the European Union is good. But it's that have to seriously course correct not the countries like Hungary.
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From my own experience they also tend to be big bullies when they don't get what they want. (They tried to threaten us multiple times over the years)
I still don't know whats so fantastic about the EU, and I do like the idea as well, but at the moment the EU is a utterly unappelling mess.
 
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