We need to stick with the facts.
It doesn’t matter if a person had a mild case of Covid19, or is still suffering months after their infection, the fact is we don’t know what the long term sequelae of the virus will be - it might be terrible.
It’s not ‘fear-mongering’ to state the facts, and these are the facts:
Chiefly, what will the long term sequelae be? - it’s obvious... we don’t know yet, and we won‘t know for a decade. Even a person who experienced a very mild version of Covid19 and feels perfectly fine right now may have suffered vascular damage, or some other terrible illness that won’t immediately emerge. To shrug off this possibility in light of the data we’re seeing would be irresponsible.
It should at least be clear by now that the top medical people are all saying the same thing, that they’ve never seen anything like this disease, and that there’s so much that’s unknown about it. .
yes. And fuck your point you refuse to make. IcAnPosTVidEOsToO.
Nothing wrong , whole Europe is turning red and icus are starting to feel pressure ! Thanks for the vacation ! Which we didn’t do ! Now we can sit in the shit till may nice spreading all!
Best spreading fall !!!
So what? Why are we destroying our present for an uncertain and quite frankly unlikely future? And besides, if that is the case, then it's already here, as tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people already have this virus and it's not going away. If there is a ticking bioweapon named COVID-19 in my body, then I'm fucked. Open up and let me enjoy the time I have FFS.
Unfortunately, a few family members of the residents at the long-term care facility in which I work will exhibit this same attitude.
I’m not saying that you personally would act this way, but we have family members who show up and demand to see their loved ones - and these people, in the way they act, simply don’t give a damn about the other residents. It’s one thing to say you don’t give a damn personally - but in not giving a damn about the virus, and acting in a certain way, you ARE spreading the contagion, and therefore ARE harming others.
At my facility we had 70-plus positives, and it was likely double that because many residents (in the early days, before we understood about asymptotic cases) were not tested. After months of exhaustive work we managed to eradicate the virus from our facility.
I have to blunt here. You’re probably a nice enough guy in person, but I have to be blunt:
It’s utterly selfish, and imbecilic to show up at our facility expressing the exact same sentiments you just expressed - and yet, astonishingly, that’s exactly what’s happening with about 5-10% of the family members of our residents.
Recently, there have been days when I’ve had to find a quiet place to myself and literally swear out loud.
Get out of here with this bullshit. Just about everyone in this topic criticizing the draconian measures has added the caveat "but use common sense when feasible to protect the truly vulnerable". That being said I can sympathize with these family members. And your residents don't want to stay locked down indefinitely themselves. After a certain point even old age homes need to return to some semblance of normal. We're probably not quite there yet in most areas. But we're WAY past that point among the general population.Unfortunately, a few family members of the residents at the long-term care facility in which I work will exhibit this same attitude.
I’m not saying that you personally would act this way, but we have family members who show up and demand to see their loved ones - and these people, in the way they act, simply don’t give a damn about the other residents. It’s one thing to say you don’t give a damn personally - but in not giving a damn about the virus, and acting in a certain way, you ARE spreading the contagion, and therefore ARE harming others.
At my facility we had 70-plus positives, and it was likely double that because many residents (in the early days, before we understood about asymptotic cases) were not tested. After months of exhaustive work we managed to eradicate the virus from our facility.
I have to blunt here. You’re probably a nice enough guy in person, but I have to be blunt:
It’s utterly selfish, and imbecilic to show up at our facility expressing the exact same sentiments you just expressed - and yet, astonishingly, that’s exactly what’s happening with about 5-10% of the family members of our residents.
Recently, there have been days when I’ve had to find a quiet place to myself and literally swear out loud.
Well I've never shown up at yours or any other facility demanding to see old people, so fuck off with that.
You simultaneously missed the point I was trying to make, and also reinforced it. I wasn’t accusing you personally of showing up at our facility and acting like a belligerent jerk who cares nothing about others in the populace - but people LIKE you.
No need to imagine. Plenty of fuckwits who do that.Imagine unironically citing the 200k number after CDC admitted only 6% of deaths are definitely attributable to covid-19
Keep calm and car...
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Mr Johnson today announced he is making the Army available to help the police enforce stringent new coronavirus rules. The Prime Minister said the police will now have the 'option to draw on military support where required' to free up officers so more can go out and crackdown on rule-breakers as he revealed fines are being doubled to £200.
Downing Street ruled out deploying soldiers on the streets however, saying they would be used 'backfilling certain duties, such as office roles and guarding protected sites, so police officers can be out enforcing the virus response'.
The PM also said that if the new plans fail to get the disease under control he 'reserves the right to deploy greater fire power'.
They never said that, thats just you not understanding the data.Imagine unironically citing the 200k number after CDC admitted only 6% of deaths are definitely attributable to covid-19
I’m getting a colonoscopy in 2 weeks. I’m worried I might catch the covid while knocked out.
Yeah do some crunches or something.I recall from previous chats that you mentioned being overweight, so improve your odds. Drop your weight (I'm currently shifting weight rapidly with the one-small-meal-per-day diet) and get plenty of Vitamin D in you. It won't work miracles in such a short time but even if you shift only 5 or 6 lb it'll still have a material impact on your chances if you do get it.
6% had only COVID listed.They never said that, thats just you not understanding the data.
I’ve been taking D3 daily since March. I run a few days a week, but my diet is what does me in. I don’t think I eat a ton, but my weight doesn’t lie.I recall from previous chats that you mentioned being overweight, so improve your odds. Drop your weight (I'm currently shifting weight rapidly with the one-small-meal-per-day diet) and get plenty of Vitamin D in you. It won't work miracles in such a short time but even if you shift only 5 or 6 lb it'll still have a material impact on your chances if you do get it.
Traditional weddings are overrated anyway. So much money spent just to say "we are hitched". If you don't personally know me, then GTFO I sayWelp ... that’s my wedding reduced again. From 250 to 30 and now 15 ... fucking hell
Recently, there have been days when I’ve had to find a quiet place to myself and literally swear out loud.
6% had only COVID listed.
roughly 80 percent had TWO or more co-morbitidies.
So let's say between the two arguments: one side saying it's only just under 10k deaths, and the bedwetters saying near 200k....that we will include the people who had just one co-morbidity. That makes it roughyl 1/5 of the total reported death toll.
In other words, somewhere around 30,000 to 35,000 people. Still nowhere near the 200k number people keep throwing around as fact. And if that number were on CNN 24/7 people would not be as hysterical.
Other countries like Japan are only reporting deaths as COVID if they believe COVID was the main cause of death. Hence their death toll, even if we tripled it, is roughly the same as one US state. Or even if we triple it, it is still 10X lower than New York alone. Do you seriously believe that Japan has under 2k dead solely due to them being more diligent, or their government responding so well...when the truth is that their healthcare system didn't have the testing capacity of South Korea, and in fact they were actually criticized as doing a poor job back in April? If anything people in Korea criticize Japan for being too relaxed - in that they kept bars, restaurants, and parks open throughout the entire year.
6% of people dying with no other contributing medical factors does not mean only 6% of people died from COVID. What a terrible twisting of the data.
Contributing medical factors is not the same thing as as co-mordibities either. Not many people are walking around with cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest, for example, which was listed on the death certificates of about 50% of the cases. Death certificates can list multiple causes of death, with each cause being preceded by an antecedent until you arrive at what the physician feels is the ultimate cause of death. Some physicians are more detailed than others, and will include things like cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest. For example, they may list that a patient died from "Respiratory Arrest" secondary to "Acute Respiratory Distress syndrome" secondary to COVID19. In this case, COVID19 is the ultimate cause of death. Others don't bother and only list the ultimate cause, since there is really no value to including a term like "cardiac arrest" - every death involves cardiac arrest.
Physicians also have the ability to note other medical conditions contributing to but not ultimately causing death. This is often where things like chronic medical illnesses come in to play.
The data is available here if you're interested and not willing to take information at face value from a dubious twitter feed:
COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics
Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.
www.cdc.gov
I’ve been taking D3 daily since March. I run a few days a week, but my diet is what does me in. I don’t think I eat a ton, but my weight doesn’t lie.
Photos show Wuhan clubbers partying maskless in former COVID-19 epicenter
Meanwhile, coronavirus deaths in the US have now surpassed 200,000.nypost.com
Speaking of China. Our governments are determined to keep us locked indoors and wallowing in misery while in Wuhan they're out partying with thots. Who are the ones with freedom?
You know, everyone got on China for lying about their death totals, and even that article says that Wuhan got 2.5k out of a total of maybe 3k across the entire country. But maybe China is the one telling the truth and the west is lying, especially with that 200k number being thrown around today. We know - objectively, factually, without a doubt - that the 200k is a fake number. So what's the real one?
Somewhere between 40-50% of deaths in the US are nursing homes. This will likely come across as cold, but there is a massive, massive difference between people dying who are just walking down the street and people in end-of-life type facilities. Anyone who has a problem with the cold nature of that fact needs to toughen up. We are talking life and death here. These are cold realities.6% had only COVID listed.
roughly 80 percent had TWO or more co-morbitidies.
So let's say between the two arguments: one side saying it's only just under 10k deaths, and the bedwetters saying near 200k....that we will include the people who had just one co-morbidity. That makes it roughyl 1/5 of the total reported death toll.
In other words, somewhere around 30,000 to 35,000 people. Still nowhere near the 200k number people keep throwing around as fact. And if that number were on CNN 24/7 people would not be as hysterical.
Other countries like Japan are only reporting deaths as COVID if they believe COVID was the main cause of death. Hence their death toll, even if we tripled it, is roughly the same as one US state. Or even if we triple it, it is still 10X lower than New York alone. Do you seriously believe that Japan has under 2k dead solely due to them being more diligent, or their government responding so well...when the truth is that their healthcare system didn't have the testing capacity of South Korea, and in fact they were actually criticized as doing a poor job back in April? If anything people in Korea criticize Japan for being too relaxed - in that they kept bars, restaurants, and parks open throughout the entire year.
This is what one of Sweden's top scientists said, the Asian woman. She said "Most of them were people who were about to die even if they were never infected" - she said it very calmly and boldly.Somewhere between 40-50% of deaths in the US are nursing homes. This will likely come across as cold, but there is a massive, massive difference between people dying who are just walking down the street and people in end-of-life type facilities. Anyone who has a problem with the cold nature of that fact needs to toughen up. We are talking life and death here. These are cold realities.
I feel for people who lose family members in these facilities. We also need to recognize that the nature of nursing homes is that people die in them. It is a sadness for the families, but it is not comparable to an otherwise healthy 45 year old dropping dead. They are not in the same category.
This is what one of Sweden's top scientists said, the Asian woman. She said "Most of them were people who were about to die even if they were never infected" - she said it very calmly and boldly.
She also said "I haven't tested positive yet, unfortunately". This is the attitude I thought would become the norm for healthy people who have no symptoms.
But now with all the talk about possible permanent lung damage, many young people who are very active, ie- a diving instructor I talked to yesterday, disagreed with me when I said I would be relieved if my test was positive and I had zero symptoms. said she'd hope she would never test positive because of her job as a diving instructor means she needs high stamina (she's only 30) and she wouldn't wanna risk permanent respiratory damage. She's American, she wasn't wearing a mask, she walked right up to me with no distancing and we talked forever, basically both of us hadn't talked to another American or Westerner in person for a long, long time.
All that talk is fucking bullshit! There have been sixty million cases in the US at least! If tens of millions of people had permanent lung damage that affected their lives it would be (rightfully) plastered all over the news all day every day - doctors overrun with people with permanent lung damage. All this lockdown shit kicked off with Rudy Gobert testing positive and that dude played 40 minutes a game in the NBA playoffs. Permanent lung damage stuff is BULLSHIT.
But we dont know. Better to lockdown for 1000 years just to be on the safe side!
The 2nd great flood will cleanse all.Fixed it for you.
yes. And fuck your point you refuse to make. IcAnPosTVidEOsToO.
Yo, chicken-little, people who want lockdowns to end are the ones who "accept the virus is here". We can not lock down forever, and the virus will still be here, even if it's the year 2100 when the lockdown lifts.Flubro gang still going strong! To bad it’s not the flu
So measures will be appropriate and will be implemented as long as needed .
And in the mean time you can argue all day on a message board !
Instead of accepting the virus is here .
Awesome huh
None want lock downs , but some measures are needed , I have a live, no chickens here , but I do all the measures . I never said we need lock downs now , but it was needed here in March . But that’s all you guys hear.Yo, chicken-little, people who want lockdowns to end are the ones who "accept the virus is here". We can not lock down forever, and the virus will still be here, even if it's the year 2100 when the lockdown lifts.
It's people like you who have this fantasy that if we just lockdown harder it'll go away who are the ones living in fantasy land.
Photos show Wuhan clubbers partying maskless in former COVID-19 epicenter
Meanwhile, coronavirus deaths in the US have now surpassed 200,000.nypost.com
Speaking of China. Our governments are determined to keep us locked indoors and wallowing in misery while in Wuhan they're out partying with thots. Who are the ones with freedom?
You know, everyone got on China for lying about their death totals, and even that article says that Wuhan got 2.5k out of a total of maybe 3k across the entire country. But maybe China is the one telling the truth and the west is lying, especially with that 200k number being thrown around today. We know - objectively, factually, without a doubt - that the 200k is a fake number. So what's the real one?
Define "going down". Did they die? Are they in an ICU? Were they hospitalized at all? Did they even need to seek medical treatment? Did they even have any symptoms?Everyone is going down here now both bosses and 1 of their wife’s .
2 weeks ago they shouted , I know no one who has it and I don’t do the measures , there is no virus Karma ...
Now be a good boss and stay the fuck at home
2 have symptoms , 1 doesn’t , no hospitalizations yet , but angry employee who takes care of her ill father and is a big risk and the boss didn’t stay at home while his wife went for a test ...Define "going down". Did they die? Are they in an ICU? Were they hospitalized at all? Did they even need to seek medical treatment? Did they even have any symptoms?
That’s what a lock down for 3 months did ! And welding shut buildings , disciplined.In China the kids are all back in School, you don't get temperature checked going into malls and supermarkets anymore. Few supermarkets even enforce mask wearing. People are not wearing masks on the street anymore where at peak China Covid is was 95%. Still have to wear a mask on the bus though.
It's back to normal.
So nobody is seriously ill, and one guy is angry. Stop the presses. Lock everything down forever! Weld all the buildilngs shut! That is the hallmark of great public policy! Better line up to get in your train car. Those "COVID safety camps" are gonna fill up quick. You are a fucking clown. No wonder you use that clown emoji so liberally.2 have symptoms , 1 doesn’t , no hospitalizations yet , but angry employee who takes care of her ill father and is a big risk and the boss didn’t stay at home while his wife went for a test ...
It’s not always you that you affect with your actions .. that’s why you need to keep doing these measures.
Also hospitalization can follow up to 2 weeks later or not at all , it’s Russian roulette, they are in their 50s and 60s. But it’s starting to spread like wildfire here in my small town at multiple locations .
That’s what a lock down for 3 months did ! And welding shut buildings , disciplined.
If only we could be more like Communist China. Something to definitely aspire to. The CCP is unassailable and on point, and everyone else is wrong.A lockdown where people followed the lockdown, will do that. Government said stay at home and they did, mostly. Each community locked themselves down and didn't let any outsiders in and mandatory temp checks when reentering were made.
Hey guy, I'm just reporting what happened on the ground. Not making a commentary on anything political.If only we could be more like Communist China. Something to definitely aspire to. The CCP is unassailable and on point, and everyone else is wrong.
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/, Sweden still has 8725 cases per 1m population vs UK's 5865..