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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Why should that matter in a world where anyone who wants to get vaccinated can be vaccinated for free, any day of the week? Many locations are starting to even offer choices of which vaccine you get.
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I can't see how a vaccine passport system gets introduced for anything domestic at this point. You kind of need that to be in place before you lift restrictions if you expect people to accept it.
Then again, maybe I'm just lacking in imagination.
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Jezbollah
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fair point
I suppose my fear is probably more at those who don't plan on getting the second jab..
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I predict the new "PUT ON YOUR MASK, ASSHOLE!" to random strangers who aren't wearing masks will turn into "SHOW ME YOUR VACCINE CARD, ASSHOLE!"
Because of course people need something to be mad about to replace the thing they no longer can be mad about.
Because of course people need something to be mad about to replace the thing they no longer can be mad about.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the C.D.C. said.
Fully vaccinated people only need to wear masks in health care settings, on mass transit and in transportation hubs, and in prisons and homeless shelters.www.nytimes.com
Light at the end of the tunnel.
TheContact
Member
I hope we see more states lifting the restrictions but you know there’s gonna be people out there unvaccinated not wearing a mask unfortunately
MachRc
Member
I just went and got some card holders..and going to wear them as lanyards
like these.
clear ones
Got a bunch of long lanyards and I can display my high visibility vaccine card holder to everyone near me. Good etiquette.
Going to Knotts this weekend as a preview pass holder..having these around our necks might make people around us in line feel more comfortable.
like these.
clear ones
Amazon.com: Teskyer 5 Pack CDC Vaccination Card Protector, 4 X 3" Immunization Record Vaccine Card Holder, Plastic Clear ID Card Holder Name Tags Badge Holders: Office Products
Amazon.com: Teskyer 5 Pack CDC Vaccination Card Protector, 4 X 3" Immunization Record Vaccine Card Holder, Plastic Clear ID Card Holder Name Tags Badge Holders: Office Products
www.amazon.com
Got a bunch of long lanyards and I can display my high visibility vaccine card holder to everyone near me. Good etiquette.
Going to Knotts this weekend as a preview pass holder..having these around our necks might make people around us in line feel more comfortable.
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Jezbollah
Member
First indications of the analysis of the India variant. Basically, more transmissable as the Kent variant, but the effectiveness of the vaccine (ie the ability to protect against serious illness and death) remains. This is crucial in ensuring health services are not swamped.
CloudNull
Banned
I just went and got some card holders..and going to wear them as lanyards
like these.
clear ones
Amazon.com: Teskyer 5 Pack CDC Vaccination Card Protector, 4 X 3" Immunization Record Vaccine Card Holder, Plastic Clear ID Card Holder Name Tags Badge Holders: Office Products
Amazon.com: Teskyer 5 Pack CDC Vaccination Card Protector, 4 X 3" Immunization Record Vaccine Card Holder, Plastic Clear ID Card Holder Name Tags Badge Holders: Office Productswww.amazon.com
Got a bunch of long lanyards and I can display my high visibility vaccine card holder to everyone near me. Good etiquette.
Going to Knotts this weekend as a preview pass holder..having these around our necks might make people around us in line feel more comfortable.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
When I first heard the news I was like good news finally, we are getting back to normal. By the summer we should be very close to back to the way things were.
And then admittedly there was a small thing that crept into my mind that said is this a new strategy to try and coax people into getting the vaccines since it’s coincidentally coinciding with certain cities and states offering incentives? Ohio is offering a million dollar raffle, NYC is offering free French fries, etc. Is this “if you get vaccinated you no longer have to wear a mask and you can go near people” the latest nudge to get the unvaccinated vaccinated and they plan on reverting right back to mandatory masks again?
I think it’s highly unlikely, but I hate the fact that the idea even crept into my mind, but because of everything that went down over the last year, I’ve lost so much trust in all involved that I can’t entirely rule out that possibility.
Just crossing my fingers this truly is it and no more lockdowns, no more mask shaming, people packing into sporting events again, and people eating out at restaurants again.
This tweet certainly doesn't help any concerns I have:
And then admittedly there was a small thing that crept into my mind that said is this a new strategy to try and coax people into getting the vaccines since it’s coincidentally coinciding with certain cities and states offering incentives? Ohio is offering a million dollar raffle, NYC is offering free French fries, etc. Is this “if you get vaccinated you no longer have to wear a mask and you can go near people” the latest nudge to get the unvaccinated vaccinated and they plan on reverting right back to mandatory masks again?
I think it’s highly unlikely, but I hate the fact that the idea even crept into my mind, but because of everything that went down over the last year, I’ve lost so much trust in all involved that I can’t entirely rule out that possibility.
Just crossing my fingers this truly is it and no more lockdowns, no more mask shaming, people packing into sporting events again, and people eating out at restaurants again.
This tweet certainly doesn't help any concerns I have:
Kilau
Member
It is a tough situation for sure, the honor system isn’t going to be perfect.
MachRc
Member
Well Im glad there isnt going to be any more mask issues to argue about.
I never thought it would turn political.
There's was nothing wrong about being a gun totting,
border protecting,
law and order abiding conservative
who wear masks to show that you care.
I mean past all that - you need a n95 to block out the particles.. If it helps transmit less even less than 25% its was to show your community or coworkers
that you care.
You can be the most liberal person
who hates guns but love bible study and church retreats for spiritualty
and go raving hard afterwards throwing up the hail satan sign eveyrtime the beat drops
who believe the science so much that you ditch the mask because youre vaccinated - the end.
Thats fucking cool too now.(oh man the coffee is kicking in)
I think if we are aware of our different regions and their respective mandates like SoCal whos had a outdoor mask mandate since the beginning of time ( unlike minesota or florida who never really had an outdoor mask mandate) It be easier to get to the point of masks not being used as a tool to align people to smart, dumb. Left, Right. common sense, youre an idiot.
I just hope we're not letting our guard down too fast, Ill be the first one to ditch the mask but after reading some stuff about the double mutant from India(pictured a page back)
in england. I know Im vaccinated so Im not going to die from it, but Im worried it will get the public/media panicked to possible slow down or even restart our progress on mandates.
today's news
www.standard.co.uk
I never thought it would turn political.
There's was nothing wrong about being a gun totting,
border protecting,
law and order abiding conservative
who wear masks to show that you care.
I mean past all that - you need a n95 to block out the particles.. If it helps transmit less even less than 25% its was to show your community or coworkers
that you care.
You can be the most liberal person
who hates guns but love bible study and church retreats for spiritualty
and go raving hard afterwards throwing up the hail satan sign eveyrtime the beat drops
who believe the science so much that you ditch the mask because youre vaccinated - the end.
Thats fucking cool too now.(oh man the coffee is kicking in)
I think if we are aware of our different regions and their respective mandates like SoCal whos had a outdoor mask mandate since the beginning of time ( unlike minesota or florida who never really had an outdoor mask mandate) It be easier to get to the point of masks not being used as a tool to align people to smart, dumb. Left, Right. common sense, youre an idiot.
I just hope we're not letting our guard down too fast, Ill be the first one to ditch the mask but after reading some stuff about the double mutant from India(pictured a page back)
in england. I know Im vaccinated so Im not going to die from it, but Im worried it will get the public/media panicked to possible slow down or even restart our progress on mandates.
today's news
Alarm as cases of Indian variant surge to 400 in London
Alarm as cases of Indian variant surge to 400 in London
The Indian variant is believed to spread faster than the Kent mutation
www.standard.co.uk
bigsnack
Member
All initial indications show that the vaccine is effective against the variants (see a couple of posts above us), so it's time to let it go. As far as light at the end of the tunnel, I'm at the end of the tunnel and the air is sweet. The fork has been stuck in, and I'm hungry. Anyone who declines the vaccine is putting themselves at risk at this point. The level of risk is obviously varying depending on how healthy they already are, but it's their choice at this point. I've had C19, and been fully vaccinated, so I'm about as done as anyone can be.
Airbus Jr
Banned
pardon me but which statement is incorect there, that statement is spot on
T8SC
Member
"SAGE warning that Indian variant could ‘realistically’ be 50% MORE infectious than Kent strain and lead to 1,000 deaths a day by summer"
I think at this point, SAGE need to fuck off with their completely bullshit "predictions".
We've seen this crap before - https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/
I think at this point, SAGE need to fuck off with their completely bullshit "predictions".
We've seen this crap before - https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/
Jezbollah
Member
The prevelance in the UK of the Indian variant is based upon the combination of two considerations. 1) certain ethnic demographics and their socalising/mixture of households causing community spread and 2) those same certain demograpics unwillingness to take offered vaccinations due to lack of education and/or mistrust of science.
As the Indian variant takes hold in the UK (and it'll likely take over as being the main variant, given it's - not confirmed - up to 50% more spreadable than the previously dominant Kent variant), then you only have to overlay the hotspots with the ethnic breakdown of that part of the community.
At the end of the day, there is little the government can do if people refuse to take the vaccine. the best thing the UK can do here is ramp up the vaccination program and bring down the second jab schedule, which is exactly what has been put into motion.
As the Indian variant takes hold in the UK (and it'll likely take over as being the main variant, given it's - not confirmed - up to 50% more spreadable than the previously dominant Kent variant), then you only have to overlay the hotspots with the ethnic breakdown of that part of the community.
At the end of the day, there is little the government can do if people refuse to take the vaccine. the best thing the UK can do here is ramp up the vaccination program and bring down the second jab schedule, which is exactly what has been put into motion.
Raven117
Member
Who cares? They have made their choice. Even not getting the second jab. Not your problem.
The government both in the US and UK have made the vaccine readily available to those who want it. If there are underserved communities, outreach efforts must be increased.
Other than that, its your own personal responsibility. As it should be.
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Liljagare
Member
Brazil P1 has mutated, it helps the virus evade antibodies, and enables the R<1 to assume.. N501Y, K417N, and E484K mutations does not sound like good news atm. This observation indicates that 501Y.V2 may escape the neutralizing antibody response elicited by prior natural infection. It raises a concern of potential reduced protection against re-infection and by vaccines designed to target the spike protein of earlier SARS-CoV-2 variants.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Thank goodness for the vaccine. The vaccinated are pulling the bootstraps for the deadweight anti-vaxx. I’d say that 50% of anti-vax are doing it for political reasons, while the rest of the hippies, religion cultists, and conspiracy tards are doing what they always do.
He (and the entire government) has absolutely no authority to mandate mask wearing based on proof of vaccination. Thus he is a clown for acting like he has that authority. I hope this gets taken to the Supreme Court. What about religious exemptions for vaccination? HIPAA? Privacy laws? Are those no longer a thing because...reasons?
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
"Reasons"? As in you think they have no good reason or reasonable justification?
arkhamguy123
Banned
That publication was from January dude?
arkhamguy123
Banned
It floods the news cycle when a spike is upcoming or ongoing but nobody every talks about it when it starts declining. I had to find out indias wave is already coming down just from browsing worldmeters and google.
Great Hair
Banned
World’s Most Vaccinated Nation Is Spooked by Covid Spike (Published 2021)
Seychelles has seen a surge in coronavirus cases even though much of its population was inoculated with China’s Sinopharm vaccine.
in case its paywalled
Reasons that supersede the rights granted to us as Americans? No, he doesn't. This virus has a < 1.5% fatality rate. I'm not willing to suspend Americans' rights or expand government authority for that. Like I said, I truly hope this gets taken to the Supreme Court, because I'm confident that all this vaccine passport nonsense and "you have two options: get a vaccine or continue wearing a mask indefinitely" authoritarian drivel coming out of Biden's mouth will get smacked down.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The current COVID fatality count in the USA is over 500,000 people.
The terrorist attacks of September 11 killed 3,000 people, and we suspended American's rights and expanded government authority far more than a vaccine passport would.
Was the suspension of rights granted to us as Americans after 9/11 without reason? Are you sure the cost/benefit analysis you are doing with respect to this virus is contextually accurate?
Furlong
Banned
That's only about 0.16% of the US population by my reckoning. Wake me when it gets to 1%
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Jezbollah
Member
Slightly incorrect as with the UK you are only offered it based upon age. Of which we are closely hitting the 30s.
As for the Indian variant, just came to post this:
gaps in vaccine uptake will keep COVID around.
MisterFalcon
Member
This could be expected, everyone who thinks they had the virus and shrugged it off (most didn't) or are so healthy they don't need the vaccine now get infected with this possibly more severe variant and start getting quit ill.
Raven117
Member
You are right, UK hadn’t made them as available as the US. But when they do, they can do what the US did.
Sure, there will be some one offs
Raven117
Member
Man, that thread over there about Trader Joe’s and masks is bonkers.Meanwhile at Reeeeeeeee
A couple of points:
- Yes, I feel the government overreached after 9/11 in many respects and encroached on constitutionally protected liberties in ways they shouldn't have, and for longer than they had reason to. So, while I don't feel they were "without reason," I do feel similarly about that overreach.
- I disagree that the abrogation of rights was/would be more severe after 9/11 than in a hypothetical vaccine passport world (where it is required for domestic activities such as bars/lounges/restaurants/sporting events/stores etc.). In the latter, you are de facto being coerced into putting something into your body simply to live what was a normal life up until 14 months ago. Doesn't get much worse than that imo. It's a violation of one's own physical sovereignty.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Cool
We got to live that normal life because there was no threat. The vaccine nullifies that threat significantly.
It is not a de facto coersion. You are still free to do whatever you want to do, but if you continue to be a threat to public health and safety, there will be public and private measures in place to protect others. You are free to choose your own path, but your rights end when they start to encroach or limit my own. This is usually how it works for most things. You are free to say whatever you want until it becomes a threat to me. You are free to go wherever you want until you encroach on my private property, or on my personal space in a threatening manner on public property. This is how we measure the rights of one individual vs another, and one individual vs a community.
The Patriot Act and many of the post 9/11 legislation utterly destroys due process, allows assassination of US citizens, and commits warrantless search upon every single American daily. I'd say that's a lot worse.
Where does your physical sovereignty end and mine begin? Is it a violation of my physical sovereignty to allow potentially biohazardous individuals within my personal space?
Would you be okay if only private entities were allowed to discriminate based on vaccination status, as in "no shirt, no shoes, no vaccine, no service"?
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Why do some COVID patients get dangerously ill while others don't even notice they contracted the virus
Amsterdam researchers discovered why some COVID patients get dangerously ill while others don't even notice they are infected and also identified a more effective treatment.
www.universal-sci.com
Birdo
Banned
"Scaremongering" is the word he was looking for.
Expect more variants in the near future.
Jezbollah
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