nemiroff
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The funny thing is, the police officer standing closer than two meters handing over those handwritten papers with his bare hands should also by principle be fined.
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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The funny thing is, the police officer standing closer than two meters handing over those handwritten papers with his bare hands should also by principle be fined.
llien
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French influencer 'offered cash to spread vaccine disinformation'
Grasset shared e-mails with Euronews that show a proposition from someone claiming to work for a UK-based PR company. #TheCube
www.euronews.com
Affected by Covid, Tokyo shopkeepers stop paying Yakuza
The powerful criminal organization offers
www.asianews.it
Moomalade74
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If you had a mild bout of Covid you do not need to take the vaccine
medicine.wustl.edu
Good news: Mild COVID-19 induces lasting antibody protection | WashU Medicine
People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime
medicine.wustl.edu
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That is NOT the conclusion of this study.
It does not make a determination that you don't need the vaccine if you already got sick with COVID in the past.
Moomalade74
Banned
It's the obvious conclusion of the study. If you have long term, as in life time level antibody immunity, there is no reason to take the vaccince, the purpose of which is to infer the same level of protection. It's basic logic.
The only caveat in this study is it is based around a mild infection, not severe, which I clarified in my original post.
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llien
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That is not "conclusion of the study" at all.
There is exactly ZERO knowledge about how long the cells last in the long run.
And the Maoist "but if they'd last forever, you don't need a jab" conclusion does not need this study at all.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No no no, that is not the "obvious conclusion". You don't get to just make something up just because you think it makes sense to you. You need to separate what is proven vs what is still unknown.
Just because you have memory cells and antibodies at the ready, doesn't mean you'll be protected from all other variants as well.
Immunity to the Coronavirus May Persist for Years, Scientists Find - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions is how we get this:
Moomalade74
Banned
T cells produce long term immunity by storing the memory of the antibodies required to fight future infections. This was shown by studying those who were originally infected with SARS-COVID 1 and tested ten years later. I don't think you understand how the immune system works. The report I linked states quite clearly that their findings show long term immunity to COVID 19 in those who had a mild infection. You understand that conclusion yes?
What is it you think you are getting from a vaccine exactly?
Your appeal to authority with that reductive cartoon panel doesn't circumnavigate basic logic.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I don't think you understand how to read if you still think that when the head author of the study you cited says himself that even people who recovered from COVID should still be vaccinated.
Argument from authority? That's not what that is. Refresh yourself on how to identify logical fallacies.
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Moomalade74
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Here is a scientific study analysing the role of T-Cells in confering long term immunity on those with mild or asymtomatic infection. Testing for only the anitbodies is not the full picture.
www.sciencedirect.com
Robust T Cell Immunity in Convalescent Individuals with Asymptomatic or Mild COVID-19
SARS-CoV-2-specific memory T cells will likely prove critical for long-term immune protection against COVID-19. Here, we systematically mapped the fun…
www.sciencedirect.com
Moomalade74
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What is it you think you are getting from a vaccine? That's twice you've not answered the question.
Or to put it another way, what do you think the mechanism of immunity is composed of?
I am using logic to deduce conclusions based on the facts presented. You are arguing from authority literally in your post above.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You posted a study that you think justifies concluding that you don't need a vaccine if you had COVID before.
The HEAD AUTHOR of that very same study concludes the opposite of what you think.
That's some logic you got there.
That comic is not an appeal to authority. Try again.
Moomalade74
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Hmm.. your non answer to very direct basic questions, combined with your overly aggressive tone right from the off, leads me to conclude you're not interested in a productive debate and merely trying to bog the conversation down to the level of fudd. I made my point with the linked material and gave my logical opinion as to the implications of the conclusions reached while providing supporting links in a subsequent post.
I won't engage with you any further.
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HellforLeather
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This is amazing.
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Deleted member 17706
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There was some discussion about studies on mask effectiveness in the other thread, but does anyone know if there have been any studies that just take people who have tested positive for COVID, put them in a controlled environment, and measure the COVID particles in the air when they have a mask on vs. without one on after a certain amount of time?
Seems like that would be the quickest and most surefire way to see if any of these cloth masks/surgical masks, etc. are actually doing anything at all to reduce the viral load in the air of indoor locations, which appears to be the main source of infection spread.
Seems like that would be the quickest and most surefire way to see if any of these cloth masks/surgical masks, etc. are actually doing anything at all to reduce the viral load in the air of indoor locations, which appears to be the main source of infection spread.
Excess
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PSA: The Ministry of Truth now says you're allowed to talk about COVID being man-made or manufactured in Wuhan, China.
“In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of COVID-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured from our apps,” Facebook said in a statement on its website Wednesday. - WSJ
www.wsj.com
“In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of COVID-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured from our apps,” Facebook said in a statement on its website Wednesday. - WSJ
Facebook Ends Ban on Posts Asserting Covid-19 Was Man-Made
Facebook has ended its ban on posts asserting Covid-19 was man-made or manufactured, reflecting a deepening debate over the origins of the pandemic.
www.wsj.com
GamingKaiju
Member
I think its to do with the different strains and the newer variants having the ability to avoid the bodies antibodies.
llien
Member
This article deserves being posted on its own (and being read):
www.nationalreview.com
The Considerable, If Circumstantial, Evidence of a Wuhan Lab Leak | National Review
It was never a far-fetched conspiracy theory. Here is everything we know.
www.nationalreview.com
BouncyFrag
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This goes along well with the article.This article deserves being posted on its own (and being read):
The Considerable, If Circumstantial, Evidence of a Wuhan Lab Leak | National Review
It was never a far-fetched conspiracy theory. Here is everything we know.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I will answer your questions, but I can't because you're dodging my point. Please acknowledge the quote from the head researcher of the study you first quoted and that you understand the implications of it all
Overly aggressive? Please point out how. You're the one who's baselessly claiming that my understanding is inadequate.
And then you also mischaracterize what an "appeal to authority" is, so I corrected you. I'm trying to be helpful here.
So again, please demonstrate that you understand that the study you quoted doesn't actually come to the conclusion that "you don't need a vaccine if you already had COVID", and that the head researcher of that same study disagrees with your "logical conclusion".
Tennessee woman arrested for speeding through COVID-19 vaccination tent in protest, authorities say
A Tennessee woman was arrested after authorities say she drove her SUV through a COVID vaccination tent, nearly hitting several people while yelling "no vaccine!"
abc7.com
Taxexemption
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I doubt it was intentional. If it was intentional I would expect the virus to do more.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Unless it was the combination of intentional + incompetence.
Taxexemption
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I suppose it's a possibility. I just feel like, would you really create a virus as a weapon for some purpose and not run some experiments first to make sure you are getting the expected result? I guess maybe it was too contagious and that wouldn't have been possible.
Like, what if you were creating a bioweapon that you thought it would lower the population by X, or only effect Y group of people? You don't test it, and it turns out it effects way more than X, and it actually effects groups Y and Z.
If you were trying to for example depopulate the world's older populations to deal with climate change or a pension crisis or something, and instead of killing your expected 5% of old people, you release an experimental virus and it ends up being 50% of everyone, and now you have an economic collapse that will last the rest of our lives. I feel like the risks of creating an experimental virus are too great to not test it. Then again, I just don't think we should be making experimental viruses even if it is for research purposes rather than to make a weapon. That's the problem with a lot of my thinking, I'm risk averse, I can't get into the minds of people who have extreme risk tolerance.
fran.fernandez
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Just saw that bioNtech canceled vaccines to Taiwan as is not considered a country and should go to mainland first.
another ccp puppet…
another ccp puppet…
TheFarter
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I wouldn't think so either. Unless there was some complete crazy person who wanted to unleash this on the world. Some kind of disgruntled worker. But I doubt it. You never know though!
CGiRanger
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Always felt like a Chernobyl like scenario to me. Bad safety standards + Bad practices while trying to do something extremely dangerous. China isn't known for its quality control after all.
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Deleted member 17706
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Zero knowledge about the long term effects and effectiveness of the vaccines certainly isn't stopping them from being universally recommended.
Depends on what they mean by intentional. Was it intentionally made? Perhaps. Was it intentionally released by a rogue worker at the lab? Not impossible. Was it released as some kind of grand conspiracy hatched up by the highest echelons of the CCP? I'm going to guess no on that one.
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llien
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Indeed.
That doesn't lead anyone to start claiming that the protection effects lasts forever either.
llien
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And not start next to the Wuhan lab, which we know messed with the virus (and was said to be notoriously bad at handling dangerous stuff)
llien
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Hmm, daily new cases stopped dropping in UK, at around 2-2.5k for nearly two month, with upward trend.
So, Indian edition is not as "harmless" after all? =/
Israel, on the other hand, is at 2 digit new cases per day and have seen steady drop in cases in the last two month.
So, Indian edition is not as "harmless" after all? =/
Israel, on the other hand, is at 2 digit new cases per day and have seen steady drop in cases in the last two month.
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If it was intentional, and proven, then it's WW3 with every country on the planet vs China.
Guileless
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I think the logistics of doing an experiment like that safely according to liability insurers make it impossible in the US. I saw somewhere, no idea if it's true, that SAGE estimates were that masks reduced risk of infection by 5-10% - obviously that would vary depending on environmental conditions. So not nothing, but not much either.
Airola
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Could also be that there was some sort of a "conspiracy plot", or at least they had entertained the thought of using something like this to gain whatever. And this was a complete accident, but as soon as they found out this had happened some people from the higher-up took advantage of the situation.
Or maybe this wasn't part of any existing plot, but when it started they started to plan a new plot.
I mean, they certainly knew a lot more than they told anyone and they allowed it to spread off their country, and they lied about all of it. So I wouldn't be surprised if there were some people in their government or army or wherever who went "hold on.... let's think..." and either plotted some new plan or decided to activate some already plotted plan but with modifications as this came by surprise to them too. It could also very well be that the bioweapon claim the dissident chinawoman made very early on and the other dissident chinaman later also talked about is true, but that this still got started by a pure accident. So it would explain why they had trouble getting it under control because it came by surprise for them too, but would also explain why they allowed it to spread out from their country and why they've been so secretive about it and even lied about it (and even made claims that it's a US bioweapon - maybe accusing others what they are doing themselves).
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Deleted member 17706
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Israel is the one I'm keeping an eye on. Right now, their numbers are basically the same as they were at this time last year, which could point to a seasonal trend. If they stay this low through the summer and early fall, then I think they can declare victory via vaccines.
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