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Talked to my doctors office today they told me I didn't have to risk coming in and he could do the appointment via teleconference. That's awesome. I really needed this appointment. Can relax at home and not worry.
 
Remember when the US had no cases until the rich people came back from vacation willingly knowing they were infected?
 
Captain Zyrain said:
Italy good news?



At least recoveries are outpacing deaths (as they should).
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We had good news every single day during the last 3-4 days. Italy is peaking and a decline in cases is their next destination. Seriously now, this stubborn ignoring of obviously good news in this thread is starting to take on ridiculous proportions, but it reflects well the situation that many people today can no longer think for themselves and depend on what the media throw at them.
 
DragoonKain said:
Dr. David Agus on Stern said that the virus isn't gonna live on the surfaces of food. So he said if you order out food, throw away the containers and disinfect anything the containers or bag was resting on, but he said it's safe to eat.

He also said, and I suspected as much, that the tests that show the virus can live up to 3 or 4 days on X number of surfaces doesn't mean they are still infectious after those 3 days. It just means the virus isn't completely dead, but he says it may not still be infectious at that point. But just take precautions.
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If someone who is ill is prepares a burger for you and he coughs on the countertop and on the burger and you eat it, then the chance of getting infected is almost zero. Of course, this would be different if you inhale the burger instead of eating it.

Also the study that says the virus survives 2-3 days on surfaces is not transferable to the real world. There the virus was given in a highly concentrated form with water on different surfaces. Because of the water it survives much longer. If someone coughs on the same surface or touches it, the virus is deactivated or even completely eliminated after a few hours.

Both issues, the eating and the survival time of the virus on surfaces, are examples of how the media nowadays take things out of context and spread things that are in fact simply not true.
 
cryptoadam said:
One of the big problems with the US is it could get all the states in line, but if NYC or CALI is still on fire thats like their own country.

I mean NY state is pretty much its own country as far as how its going, its like Spain/France levels on its own (without that many deaths).

So even if you eliminate Corona everywhere else you would still have this rocket ship of cases coming from there.

I think what your going to see is more of a phased approach with area's being cleaned up, while the bigger hot spots might take a little longer.
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This is a feature not a bug. We have 50 different states each not only with their own solutions in place, but different levels of preparedness and preparation to begin with.

It's the same reason its good we have 200 ish countries. That's 200 different styles of dealing with it. Better than, say, one world China or one world Italy [though even with italy it's become hard to trust data due to their reporting, plus different customs and demographics].

If one state [or country] botches it, that's bad, but imagine if that 50th worst plan of action was the one an all powerful fed had chosen. Instead, we're compartmentalized to some degree. It's not clear cut, obviously, since we're talking infectious disease, but it does increase the likelihood some states will come out of this in fairly good condition, and we will have many lessons learned for next time.

Right now, im most shocked its been in the West for as long as it has and it feels almost as mysterious as it did when we were getting bizarre reporting out of China. That is, i still can read in one article that we're at doomsday, and the next that this will pass quickly. It is abundantly clear mainstream media has lost all credibility.

I will say this... while i knew this storm was coming for a long time, i still think this seems best case scenario. That is, with the early news out of china i was worried we were in for some black death level incident... like, i figured 60% chance really bad, 20% chance not so bad, 20% we are fucked. And now, i'm thinking 75% chance not so bad, 24% really bad, 1% govt knows we're fucked.

Granted, 'not so bad' is still a bad time, but these things are relative. There's a difference between 2 months of turbulence vs. Corpses in the street and mass looting.

That some states [and governments] are barely quarantining is really good news to me. I know people are freaked out about it, but if you remove the panic thinking, and remember each state has experts looking at better data than we do, it means said data at least offers the possiblity we don't need to quarantine as much as some others think. I realize it's easy to assume those are just idiot outliers, and that may be true... but it's also possible everyone else is overreacting and trying to 'outsafe' each other, because many leaders don't want to be the one to do too little. That is, there is pressure to overreact... and it's reassuring to know some places are looking at the same data and not freaking out quite as much. If the whole world, every country and every state, was acting like this was the black death i'd be much more worried. Hope that makes sense, it's hard to explain.
 
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DTU said:
It's because of those doomsday predictions that that (could) be true, dumfuck.
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It's since been clarified so that's fine by me.

It's right that people question this shit.
 
Hey guys. Question. Yesterday there was a conference in Italy where a doctor (or some government official) told that they are counting all deaths as corona death, even when they aren't sure if it was caused by it, but the patient was tested positive.
Is it true? Or was something lost in translation to my language?
 
Doczu said:
Hey guys. Question. Yesterday there was a conference in Italy where a doctor (or some government official) told that they are counting all deaths as corona death, even when they aren't sure if it was caused by it, but the patient was tested positive.
Is it true? Or was something lost in translation to my language?
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No, that is Pretty much true. Italy numbers of Corana deaths have been known to be flawed.
 
TheExorzist said:
No, that is Pretty much true. Italy numbers of Corana deaths have been known to be flawed.
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Thanks. Well i'm sure that in many cases if they didn't catch "just the flu", the could have a better chance in getting through their other sickness, but nevertheless this is a bit dumb to add together 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
betrayal said:
We had good news every single day during the last 3-4 days. Italy is peaking and a decline in cases is their next destination. Seriously now, this stubborn ignoring of obviously good news in this thread is starting to take on ridiculous proportions, but it reflects well the situation that many people today can no longer think for themselves and depend on what the media throw at them.
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People are still dying but if it can level off it shows social distancing is working
 
I'm so used to seeing post-apocalyptic imagery in movies and games with desaturated and bleach-bypassed / contrasty post fx, that seeing these full-color real life shots feels so ... wrong. It looks too happy. Like why isn't everything auto-piss-filtered?
 
Doczu said:
Hey guys. Question. Yesterday there was a conference in Italy where a doctor (or some government official) told that they are counting all deaths as corona death, even when they aren't sure if it was caused by it, but the patient was tested positive.
Is it true? Or was something lost in translation to my language?
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OTOH, Germany doesn't count them as coronavirus deaths if the patient had an underlying health condition. So if you had diabetes and caught COVID-19 and died, in Germany you would be listed as having died of diabetes-related complications rather than COVID-19.

The truth lies somewhere in between these two approaches.
 
E-Cat said:
OTOH, Germany doesn't count them as coronavirus deaths if the patient had an underlying health condition. So if you had diabetes and caught COVID-19 and died, in Germany you would be listed as having died of diabetes-related complications rather than COVID-19.

The truth lies somewhere in between these two approaches.
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Any reliable source besides some random twitter post?
 
I was told 2 weeks ago this lady insisted large public events are not a threat for quickly spreading the virus.
Why would anyone continue to listen to her?

 
betrayal said:
Any reliable source besides some random twitter post?
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Dutch don't count deaths that aren't confirmed corona , while doctors say they are, from the 3 they officially count 1.
Same with hospital admits ... some die at home .


Numbers are numbers . If you see less deaths and hospitalizations, even with the skewed numbers you are in a good trend. You need a baseline to count from and on. Even if it's skewed, they don't have enough test kits or manpower.

But real numbers are for deaths factor 3 higher and sick people as high as 10 times.

Short version we are fucked.
 
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What? So the US is already ahead of China? Even if China numbers were wrong, being 2nd place in such a short time is really concerning.

I think the US is fucked. With a weak health system, weak social security and lot's of homeless people, the virus will have an easy time in the US sadly... I fear, that in the end, the US will have the most deaths and the hardest time to get rid of the virus.
 
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He's the thing NY makes up half the cases they really waited too long to shut down schools and businesses.

New York ordered all schools closed by March 18, when it already had 2,300 cases. Cuomo ordered non-essential workers to stay at home beginning March 22, when there were over 15,000 cases.

Also NY is kind of acceptably dirty.
 
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Rat Rage said:
What? So the US is already ahead of China? Even if China numbers were wrong, being 2nd place in such a short time is really concerning.

I think the US is fucked. With a weak health system, weak social security and lot's of homeless people, the virus will have an easy time in the US sadly... I fear, that in the end, the US will have the most deaths and the hardest time to get rid of the virus.
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Nah US gonna fuck that virus up, and then China's next 💣
 
sinnergy said:
Dutch don't count deaths that aren't confirmed corona , while doctors say they are, from the 3 they officially count 1.
Same with hospital admits ... some die at home .


Numbers are numbers . If you see less deaths and hospitalizations, even with the skewed numbers you are in a good trend. You need a baseline to count from and on. Even if it's skewed, they don't have enough test kits or manpower.

But real numbers are for deaths factor 3 higher and sick people as high as 10 times.

Short version we are fucked.
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Again, what's the source?

There are a lot of things you can bet on with the pessimists here. The safest is probably to bet that the true death rate is between 0.6% and 1%.
 
betrayal said:
Again, what's the source?

There are a lot of things you can bet on with the pessimists here. The safest is probably to bet that the true death rate is between 0.6% and 1%.
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Source are doctors in the newspaper , alarming the general public, take it as you will, fact is the Dutch we, don't test enough. Same for almost the whole world . You may believe what you want.

As for death rate , where did I mention this ? I. Italy it's 8% differs per country , how fast they acted. Proof is the shit in the world .
 
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sinnergy said:
Source are doctors in the newspaper , alarming the general public, take it as you will, fact is the Dutch we, don't test enough. Same for almost the whole world . You may believe what you want.

As for death rate , where did I mention this ? I. Italy it's 8% differs per country , how fast they acted. Proof is the shit in the world .
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And because a few doctors in a country with only 17 million inhabitants tell it this way is it also valid for the whole world? I know what you mean, but the death rate depends on how each country deals with the crisis. But even for the "worst" countries, the death rate will go down significantly, as soon as the true number of cases can be determined by antibody tests.
 
I'm not sure I understand the "competition" to point out which country now has the most cases.

If a country is reporting more cases then surely this is not much more than an indication of more testing?

USA, for example has 1,302 confirmed deaths (approx 4 per million population).
The UK has 578 confirmed deaths (approx 9 per million population).

These are low compared to Italy, Spain, France, Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands.

Yet everyone is desperate to demand that there is more testing and then freak out when more testing results in more confirmed cases, despite not changing the number of deaths.

It's interesting to compare the USA to Germany.
The Germans had major outbreaks before the US.
USA population is 320 million approx. Germany is 82 million approx.
So the US has twice has many cases as Germany but has 4 times the population.
The deaths per million for Germany is 3. The USA is 4.

Yet people are freaking out like the USA is having some catastrophic meltdown while the Germans are perceived as doing really well.
All over a difference of 1 death per million people.

For me there is HUGE scope to criticize the media here.
This is a time for serious, unbiased, coverage that INFORMS the public.
Instead it's just about how to generate the most fear.
 
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betrayal said:
Again, what's the source?

There are a lot of things you can bet on with the pessimists here. The safest is probably to bet that the true death rate is between 0.6% and 1%.
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Go lick some public toilet seats if you think its nothing. Your piss ant stealth 'Just the Flu Bro' BS is getting tedious to read.
 
ManaByte said:
It sounds like a lot of panicked people are running to the emergency room too even if they just have the sniffles, which is causing problems.
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Aren't you following any protocols? Here, with you have mild symptoms you are required to stay home. You can only go to a hospital in case of a combination of more than 3 of them, including breathing issues (I don't know the name for that). Anyway, people get a cold or the flu all the time, imagine most of rushing to the hospital thinking they got covid-19...





Saruhashi said:
I'm not sure I understand the "competition" to point out which country now has the most cases.

If a country is reporting more cases then surely this is not much more than an indication of more testing?

USA, for example has 1,302 confirmed deaths (approx 4 per million population).
The UK has 578 confirmed deaths (approx 9 per million population).

These are low compared to Italy, Spain, France, Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands.

Yet everyone is desperate to demand that there is more testing and then freak out when more testing results in more confirmed cases, despite not changing the number of deaths.

It's interesting to compare the USA to Germany.
The Germans had major outbreaks before the US.
USA population is 320 million approx. Germany is 82 million approx.
So the US has twice has many cases as Germany but has 4 times the population.
The deaths per million for Germany is 3. The USA is 4.

Yet people are freaking out like the USA is having some catastrophic meltdown while the Germans are perceived as doing really well.
All over a difference of 1 death per million people.

For me there is HUGE scope to criticize the media here.
This is a time for serious, unbiased, coverage that INFORMS the public.
Instead it's just about how to generate the most fear.
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You're right. The media has to be held accountable for bullshit like this. It just brings panic to throw numbers like this and chanting USA HAS THE MOST CASES (FUCK TRUMP)!!!!
There is a combined effort by the media all over the world to overestimate this whole situation. I wonder why...

I'm not denying the virus is dangerous and people should take care, but looking at some reports we're living through the apocalypse.

My country has had around 60 thousand violent deaths every year mostly because of drug traffic, that's 5k a month! Much more than this virus will kill at the end of all this and yet people don't care. Car accidents kill 35 thousand each year here. I mean, we just live what the media decides to focus on. Fuck them.
 
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Saruhashi said:
So the US has twice has many cases as Germany but has 4 times the population.
The deaths per million for Germany is 3. The USA is 4.
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This is some amusing number twisting, my friend.
The jump from number of infected to population and back to poop faux conclusions is Oscar worthy.
 
Kadayi said:
Go lick some public toilet seats if you think its nothing. Your piss ant stealth 'Just the Flu Bro' BS is getting tedious to read.
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Whether you like it or not it's common sense that the mortality rate is lower than reported.

I don't see the value in getting mad a people because they aren't just agreeing that this is some kind of doomsday scenario.
It's bad. I think we can all at least agree on that?
However, let's at least allow people to comment on exactly how bad without getting all worked up about it.

The reported numbers either show that the virus is not as contagious or show that it is not as deadly.

ONE - If it's more contagious than we know then the true number of cases is many times higher than the number of confirmed cases. Which means that the mortality rate is much lower.

TWO - If it's more deadly than we know then the true number of cases is equal to the number of confirmed cases but many deaths attributed to other factors are actually Covid-19 cases that were not detected.

Medical experts seem to agree that MANY cases are not serious or do not even have symptoms at all.
This means that there are many more cases than we have been able to confirm because many people are essentially getting the virus and spreading it around without ever knowing. This reduces the mortality rate.
 
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