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[Chris1964]

Edit:
hald-minute hero and harvest moon was the only non-nintendo games.

Are you sure?

 

[krea]

Are you sure?

sorry, i was wrong!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/63639.html

2009:

PSP:

Harvest Moon: Hero of Leaf Valley
Half-Minute Hero
Nishimura Kyoutarou Travel Mystery
Valhalla Knights 2: Battle Stance
Yamamura Misa Suspense
Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Battle Arena 2

6 titles

NDS

Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! DS Fate of Heat II - Unmei no Futari
Golgo 13: File G-13 o Oe
Rune Factory 3
Sakura Note: Imanitsu na Garu Mirai
Shin Noukyo Iku
Luminous Arc 3: Eyes
Post Pet DS: Yumemiru Momo to Fushigi no Pen

7 titles

Wii

Muramasa: The Demon Blade
Harvest Moon: My Little Shop
Reel Fishing: Angler's Dream
Arc Rise Fantasia
Reel Fishing Challenge (Wiiware)
Discipline
Little King's Story
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga

8 titles

21 titles

28,6% Sony
71,5% Nintendo

 

[noobie]

still no leaks.? will be interested to see SO4 numbers.

 

[ULTROS!]

still no leaks.? will be interested to see SO4 numbers.

Interested on 'em too.

 

[catashtrophe]

Now that GT5 has been delayed how long do you think it will take for the PS3 to reach 5 million sold in japan?

It needs about another 350K to reach 5 mill, so without GT5 could it reach this by end of March?

 

[Chris1964]

Now that GT5 has been delayed how long do you think it will take for the PS3 to reach 5 million sold in japan?

It needs about another 350K to reach 5 mill, so without GT5 could it reach this by end of March?

340k in 8 weeks or 42,5k per week with no game able to move hardware until the end of March. No.

 

[test_account]

Now that GT5 has been delayed how long do you think it will take for the PS3 to reach 5 million sold in japan?

It needs about another 350K to reach 5 mill, so without GT5 could it reach this by end of March?

I dont think the PS3 will manage to sell that much until the end of March, unless there is a big titled PS3 game that i have forgotten about that comes out before the end of March. I know about Yakuza 4, but i dont know how much PS3 hardware that game alone will sell. I think there is about 6-7 weeks left until the end of March. If it is 7 weeks, then the PS3 must sell in 50K in average each week to sell 350K.

EDIT: Chris1969 replied before me

EDIT 2: I see that Fist of the North Star Musou and Yakuza 4 are both released in the end of March, and i think that both of these games qualifies as big (or at least bigger than normal) PS3 titles. Both these 2 games might move some PS3 hardware, but i dont think that they will move enough hardware to get the PS3 upto 5 million units sold within the end of March.

 

[Mockingbird]

http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=11301306/-/gid=GF09030000

Number 4 at Softmap!

I have the amazon LE pre-ordered

 

[dabra]

1. PSP God Eater 276,100
2. NDS DQ VI 181,900 / 1,091,900
3. PS3 SO4 84,800

 

[Road]

Famitsu sales for Feb 1 - 7:

1. [PSP] God Eater - 276,100 (84%)
2. [NDS] Dragon Quest VI - 181,900 / 1,091,900
3. [PS3] Star Ocean 4 - 84,800 (56%)
4. [WII] New Super Mario Brow. Wii - 61,700 / 3,270,000

6. [PS3] End of Eternity - 28,600 / 154,500

8. [PSP] Pop 'n Music Portable - 20,900

14. [PS3] MAG - 9,400 / 24,300
15. [PS3] Ar Tonelico 3 - 9,200 / 95,000
16. [NDS] Kunio Kun no ChouNekketsu Daiundokai - 8,600
17. [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 - 8,400 / 132,300

23. [360] End of Eternity - 5,200 / 34,400

28. [PSP] Moe Moe Niji Taisen 2 (Ryaku) 2 - 3,900

30. [PSP] Misshitsu no Sacrifice - 3,700

From the htmk blog. Only top 30 this week. =\

 

[schuelma]

1. PSP God Eater 276,100
2. NDS DQ VI 181,900 / 1,091,900
3. PS3 SO4 84,800

Damn, I thought God Eater would be much higher. SO4 did a bit better than I thought.

Hope the top 50 gets posted soon.

 

[Chris1964]

Great 31-50 is gone. Week by week this leak's data become less and less.

 

[cvxfreak]

It says the blog is still being edited, so I would wait another few minutes for more information.

 

[Road]

It says the blog is still being edited, so I would wait another few minutes for more information.

I saw that now at bottom.

*grabs hope*

This leak can't start to die so fast.

EDIT: 31-50 is up.

 

[Chris1964]

17. [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 - 8,400 / 132,300

Good job Sega

 

[Chris1964]

And full top 50 is up

 

[duckroll]

Looks like S-E shipped about 150-160k of SO4. I doubt they'll be shipped any more units considering the sales though.

God Eater is nowhere near as large an opening as expected by most people, and legs will determine if it can even make it to 400k and beyond. Still, a great opening for a new IP, but it's certainly way less than Namco expects I'm sure.

End of Eternity seems to have done pretty well for a second week, it's almost 200k combined now. As far as Japan goes, both Bayonetta and EoE seem to have performed well for Sega.

AT3 is going to break 100k for sure, and that makes me a sad ducky.

BbS continues to cling on, and will probably end up doing 800k total when all is said and done. If we follow Dengeki, it probably already has! :lol

Valkyria 2 is quite a disappointment for me personally, because I expected much better legs and a stronger start to begin with for the title, considering the change in platform and the increased awareness of the franchise through other cross media forms. In the end it looks like it will end up doing about the same amount as the original PS3 release before the budget re-release, maybe a little better at best.

 

[cvxfreak]

42 Wii モンスターハンター3（トライ）2,600/1,000,200/98%

=O

 

[schuelma]

Congratulations Monster Hunter Tri. It took you about 5 months longer than Capcom thought, but you did it.

 

[Chris1964]

31. PS3 Final Fantasy XIII - 3,700 / 1,871,000 / 98%
42. WII Monster Hunter 3 - 2,600 / 1,000,200 / 98%

 

[Road]

42 Wii モンスターハンター3（トライ）2,600/1,000,200/98%

=O

Ha!

Now another 150k to go. =P

 

[schuelma]

31. PS3 Final Fantasy XIII - 3,700 / 1,871,000 / 98%

Yeah I was just going to post that..I don't know if its making 1.9M, much less 2.

 

[krea]

Congratulations Monster Hunter Tri. It took you about 5 months longer than Capcom thought, but you did it.

and the profit margin is much lower than capcom expectet but its the first third party million seller of the wii or?

 

[schuelma]

and the profit margin is much lower than capcom expectet but its the first third party million seller of the wii or?

I believe its the first million seller on a Nintendo console since the SNES.

 

[duckroll]

It looks like the Layton series is definitely on a decline from entry to entry. The start of the new trilogy might not even make it to 700k. Would it be fair to say that unless Level 5 finds a way to revitalizing interest in the series or bringing in new fans, the third entry of this new trilogy could end up selling as little as 500k? It's still amazing for Level 5 though, for me to say something like "as little as 500k"... :lol

 

[Kenka]

Are we sure this leak is legit ?

 

[Chris1964]

Level 5 said that next Layton will be very different from previous 4 entries but that remains to be seen.

Are we sure this leak is legit ?

Yes

 

[duckroll]

Level 5 said that next Layton will be very different from previous 4 entries but that remains to be seen.

Well I think it would certainly be in their best interest to make the games stand out more than just yearly entries, because that's clearly what's hurting the series in Japan at this point. It should be less of an issue outside of Japan since Nintendo seems to take 2 years to release a single entry! Grrrr...

 

[Kenka]

I believe its the first million seller on a Nintendo console since the SNES.

So the cycle is complete. It took more than 13 years or so ?

 

[cvxfreak]

Now the question is: will there ever be a first party million seller on PSP and PS3?

 

[Ydahs]

So the cycle is complete. It took more than 13 years or so ?

Next up, Dragon Quest X!

 

[Shiggy]

Well I think it would certainly be in their best interest to make the games stand out more than just yearly entries, because that's clearly what's hurting the series in Japan at this point. It should be less of an issue outside of Japan since Nintendo seems to take 2 years to release a single entry! Grrrr...

We get one entry each year, Nintendo tries to prevent a Layton-saturation.
In a recent interview with the Level-5 president it sounded like he was really interested in doing a Layton game for Wii. Who knows?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Famitsu sales for Feb 1 - 7:

1. [PSP] God Eater - 276,100 (84%)
3. [PS3] Star Ocean 4 - 84,800 (56%)
8. [PSP] Pop 'n Music Portable - 20,900 (94%)

That's certainly below what I thought God Eater was going to do, both sold and shipped. Now it seems like it'll do like Musou Hunter rather than Phantasy Star Hunter. I suppose its amazing for a brand new IP 1st week (comparison anyone?) but still so-so taste.

Quite the ambitious shipment there, Square-Enix. And 85k looked like a good case scenario before its launch.

wow Pop'n Music Portable. Totally trounced Wii version:
xx. [WII] Pop'n Music (Konami) - 1,500 / NEW

21k with a 94% sellthrough is damn good.

 

[duckroll]

Now the question is: will there ever be a first party million seller on PSP and PS3?

If GT5 doesn't sell over a million on the PS3, then I will go ahead and say no - never. For the PSP I don't even have to think about future releases, because it's not happening. There is no IP Sony owns which has the ability to sell over a million on the PSP, period.

 

[Celine]

and the profit margin is much lower than capcom expectet but its the first third party million seller of the wii or?

Are you sure ?
Didn't Capcom sold 1 million copies to retailers from day one?
Then you need to consider how good did the online fee ...

 

[Spiegel]

God Eater is nowhere near as large an opening as expected by most people, and legs will determine if it can even make it to 400k and beyond. Still, a great opening for a new IP, but it's certainly way less than Namco expects I'm sure.

How can it be "way" less than Namco expects when the first shipment was sold out in the first ~two days and after a second shipment the game has a 84% sell-through?

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best debut for a new IP this gen.

 

[Celine]

So the cycle is complete. It took more than 13 years or so ?

About 15 years and 1 month ...

 

[schuelma]

If GT5 doesn't sell over a million on the PS3, then I will go ahead and say no - never. For the PSP I don't even have to think about future releases, because it's not happening. There is no IP Sony owns which has the ability to sell over a million on the PSP, period.

Another question is does the PS3 have another surefire million seller, period? I guess Versus should get there, but I don't see anything else.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

wow Pop'n Music Portable. Totally trounced Wii version:
xx. [WII] Pop'n Music (Konami) - 1,500 / NEW

21k with a 94% sellthrough is damn good.

From what I can tell, totally deserved sales in both cases - the Wii version looked atrocious and the control scheme apparently stunk, whereas the PSP version seems to be a more traditional version and has performed better.

 

[duckroll]

How can it be "way" less than Namco expects when the first shipment was sold out in the first ~two days and after a second shipment the game has a 84% sell-through?

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best debut for a new IP this gen.

Shipments not a representation of the expectations of a publisher. They are a representation of the level of success a publisher has in convincing either the consumers (via preorders) or distributors/retailers (via general orders) to buy their product. Nippon Ichi's expectations for Last Rebellion was to ship 30k initially, the reality ended up being that they shipped a mere 10k. Now, ignoring the fact that it sold only 3k, let's say it ended up selling 8k. That's 80% sell-through of the entire shipment, but does that mean it is not way less than what Nippon Ichi expected?

 

[duckroll]

Another question is does the PS3 have another surefire million seller, period? I guess Versus should get there, but I don't see anything else.

FFXIII-2.

 

[tmarques]

Level 5 said that next Layton will be very different from previous 4 entries but that remains to be seen.

Hopefully. I loved the original, but got bored with the sequel halfway through. I felt the puzzles were vastly inferior, but I suspect it's just the formula getting stale. I'm amazed the 5th (4th? 6th?) entry did as well as it did in Japan.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Shipments not a representation of the expectations of a publisher. They are a representation of the level of success a publisher has in convincing either the consumers (via preorders) or distributors/retailers (via general orders) to buy their product. Nippon Ichi's expectations for Last Rebellion was to ship 30k initially, the reality ended up being that they shipped a mere 10k. Now, ignoring the fact that it sold only 3k, let's say it ended up selling 8k. That's 80% sell-through of the entire shipment, but does that mean it is not way less than what Nippon Ichi expected?

This to me is a poor comparison.

We have documentation that says Nippon Ichi explicitly expected 30k sales for Last Rebellion right up until the near pre-release period. Thus, there is no doubt that the 10k shipment represents a disappointment.

Do we have similar documents or statement from Namco? All I remember was their repeated touting of the demo download count, but I don't think a 25-33% conversion rate is bad at all.

 

[Road]

Famitsu Top 10 for January (Dec. 28, 2009 to Jan. 31, 2010)

01. [NDS] Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Reverie (Square Enix) - 909,981 / NEW
02. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 723,116 / 3,208,266
03. [PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (Square Enix) - 674,669 / NEW
04. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 455,931 / 2,767,879
05. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 286,225 / 1,584,758
06. [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo) - 229,206 / 550,146
07. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 192,661 / 1,735,467
08. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon) - 178,305 / 3,560,902
09. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 169,029 / 1,867,285
10. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP the Best Reprint) (Capcom) - 127,927 / 164,072

Nothing to see here, except for FFXIII exact sales (since it wasn't in the last top 30) and a really strong month (3.95 million total for the top 10).

11 - 20:
11. [PS3] End of Eternity (Sega) - 125,868 / NEW
12. [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 (Sega) - 123,890 / NEW
13. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha – Fire / Blizzard (Level 5) - 115,250 / 1,058,865
14. [WII] Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles (Capcom) - 107,039 / NEW
15. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega) - 106,118 / 549,334
16. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 97,117 / 2,546,879
17. [PSP] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable: The Battle of Aces (Bandai Namco Games) - 87,927 / NEW
18. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Dodoon to 2 Yome! (Bandai Namco Games) - 87,324 / 296,407
19. [PS3] Ar tonelico III: Sekai Shuuen no Hikigane wa Shoujo no Uta ga Hajiku (Bandai Namco Games) - 85,776 / NEW
20. [WII] Momotaro Dentetsu 2010: Sengoku Ishin no Hero Daishuugou! no Maki (Hudson) - 84,500 / 209,994
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/gmgk/m/

NDS TOP 10:
01. [NDS] Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Reverie (Square Enix) - 909,981 / NEW
02. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 455,931 / 2,767,879
03. [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo) - 229,206 / 550,146
04. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon) - 178,305 / 3,560,902
05. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha – Fire / Blizzard (Level 5) - 115,250 / 1,058,865
06. [NDS] Layton Kyouju to Majin no Fue (Level 5) - 71,264 / 619,100
07. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 60,065 / 5,719,651
08. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Sky (Square Enix) - 44,645 / 4,145,613
09. [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo) - 44,319 / 213,857
10. [NDS] Pen 1 Grand Prix: Penguin no Mondai Special (Konami) - 43,699 / 127,843
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/gmds/m/

PS2 TOP 10
01. [PS2] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami) - 29,274 / 89,163
02. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix+ (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix) - 6,730 / 92,145
03. [PS2] Princess Saver! Eternal Love for My Lady (Comfort) - 6,279 / NEW
04. [PS2] Little Busters! Converted Edition (Prototype) - 6,047 / 27,103
05. [PS2] Momotaro Dentetsu 16: Hokkaido Daiido no Maki (PlayStation 2 the Best) (Hudson) - 4,915 / 61,629
06. [PS2] Gundam Musou 2 (Gundam 30th Anniversary Collection) (Bandai Namco Games) - 4,306 / 6,296
07. [PS2] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Best Price!) (Capcom) - 4,022 / 18,152
08. [PS2] Resident Evil 4 (Best Reprint) (Capcom) - 3,971 / 101,481
09. [PS2] Nobunaga no Yabou - Tenka Sousei with Power-Up Kit (BEST) (Koei) - 3,777 / 9,157
10. [PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Konami Dendou Collection) (Konami) - 3,571 / 8,145
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/gmps/m/

December 2009

 

[duckroll]

This to me is a poor comparison.

We have documentation that says Nippon Ichi explicitly expected 30k sales for Last Rebellion right up until the near pre-release period. Thus, there is no doubt that the 10k shipment represents a disappointment.

Do we have similar documents or statement from Namco? All I remember was their repeated touting of the demo download count, but I don't think a 25-33% conversion rate is bad at all.

We don't, but history tells us Namco always expects what is not possible!

 

[Stumpokapow]

We don't, but history tells us Namco always expects what is not possible!

Niiiice.

 

[Celine]

Another question is does the PS3 have another surefire million seller, period? I guess Versus should get there, but I don't see anything else.

Well how many surefire third party million seller there are in Japan ?
Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter and rare surprise hit like Inazuma Eleven.

 

[cvxfreak]

08. [PS2] Resident Evil 4 (Best Reprint) (Capcom) - 3,971 / 101,481

Wow. All three Biohazard 4 PS2 SKUs exceeded 100K.

EDIT:

2009 sales for this were 60,435 units. Total for all three is about 735,697. Total with the Nintendo versions is 1,132,525.

 

[slaughterking]

Famitsu sales for Feb 1 - 7:
2. [NDS] Dragon Quest VI - 181,900 / 1,091,900

DQVI has a sharper drop than DQ V PS2. It'll not become the best selling DQ Remake if nothing unexpected happens leg-wise in the coming weeks.

1. [PSP] God Eater - 276,100 (84%)

Feels somewhat low, but that's mostly due to Namcos demo download bragging. Still very good start for a new IP and good sell through.

3. [PS3] Star Ocean 4 - 84,800 (56%)

Pretty much in line with what most expected. The sell-through is low, though. This will probably end up in the bomba bin pretty soon.

17. [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 - 8,400 / 132,300

Well, that platform change did not do any good.

 

[Khrno]

Well how many surefire third party million seller there are in Japan ?
Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter and rare surprise hit like Inazuma Eleven.

Last gen heavy hitters, Winning Eleven and Musou million seller days are long gone as well.