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Media Create Sales: Oct 5-11, 2009
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What's interesting to me is that Phantasy Star Portable is doing VERY poorly on budget re-release. It is a little more worrying if you factor in the fact that the Best release includes extra goodies, and a preview of PSP2. Could this be indicative that after the initial strong interest of the first game died down, that fans are not exactly clamoring for another entry in the series? It might also help to explain the poorer sales that PS Zero did on the DS. Could PSP2 turn out to be a flop this holiday season? I think it's possible.
I'm not so sure for this. Sony gave as release date the last month of the fiscal year. Of course it can make it until March but with the game being completed just 60% I won't be surprised if it won't.onken said:
Famitsu
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable (Sega) 31/07/08 - 329.455 / 633.954
[NDS] Phantasy Star 0 (Sega) 25/12/08 - 85.573 / 202.307
Famitsu estimate
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega) 03/12/09 - 190K-240K / 210K-400K
duckroll said:
For a long time, the original SKU had been in the Bomba Bins as well, just like Zero. Phantasy Star Portable could very well be another Tamagotchi DS or something.
Speaking of budget re-releases... many quality PS3 games can be had at very low prices now thanks to the PS3 The Best lineup. Uncharted 1 for ¥2600 is a bargain. A price-conscious PS3 gamers can very well end up saving more money in the long run than someone who only buys a Wii, which has no standardized budget lineup yet.
Cygnus X-1
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3 december is still quite far away. I don't know if the wii will keep hanging around these numbers in the meantime.
And price-cut had no effect at all. As I thought, Wii's price is not relevant at all for the consumer.
And price-cut had no effect at all. As I thought, Wii's price is not relevant at all for the consumer.
SecretBonusPoint
Banned
duckroll said:
It might simply be a case of no-one wanting to play the first one until the sequel hits. PSP2 probably won't bring in many more new areas and enemies, so people will probably just wait for it rather than playing the same basic game twice. I know I stopped playing PSP1 pretty early on, and now the sequel announcement means I certainly cannot be assed playing it again until then.
For Joshua when he sees it: Is there any particular reason for Ar Tonelico 2 having a weird name on your database? Thanks in advance.
I was looking at the series sales to see how helpful they could be for the PS3 in January, but they're just another niche series selling almost 100k (original releases).
I don't see how it would be in Sony's best interest having RGG4 coming in Feb or Mar. Space out the big releases. If there's anything we've learned this generation is that PS3 (well, any one) can go downhill fast without any big game in the horizon.
Also, COD4 PS3 keeps trucking along. Bodes well for MW2. Could it beat Halo 3 opening week (61k) this December?
I was looking at the series sales to see how helpful they could be for the PS3 in January, but they're just another niche series selling almost 100k (original releases).
I don't see how it would be in Sony's best interest having RGG4 coming in Feb or Mar. Space out the big releases. If there's anything we've learned this generation is that PS3 (well, any one) can go downhill fast without any big game in the horizon.
Also, COD4 PS3 keeps trucking along. Bodes well for MW2. Could it beat Halo 3 opening week (61k) this December?
Kurosaki Ichigo
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A budget re-release doing 3k in its first week is a...pretty good number. I don't get why you would expect it to do better...if PSP2 interest is low this isn't indicating that.duckroll said:
Kurosaki Ichigo
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MHP did 12,314duckroll said:
MHP reprint didn't even debut in the top30, and still made >150k LTD
MHP2 didn't have a re-release
MHP2G did 19,289 and its now over a million
Yakuza 1 did 33,012 and it did 484k
Yakuza 2 did 17,659 and it did >200k
Kenzan or Yakuza 1 reprint didn't even chart and both did ~50k
Hell, DQ5 and DQ8 PS2 re-releases didn't chart. FFX did 8,681, and a reprint did 4,702, both did nearly 200k LTD.
Mingol 3 did 4,364 (over 300k LTD), Mingol 4 did 4,638 (over 200k) and a reprint at 4,616 (near 400k ltd), Mingol Portable did 7,855 (270k ltd), Mingol 5 didn't chart and it has done near 100k last time we saw it.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
That's interesting. So even with a starting week of 4k, PSP could still end up pulling 100-200k if people keep buying the cheapo version for months. I guess there's nothing conclusive to draw from that at all then, until we get the top500 for 2009 at least. Thanks.
schuelma said:
The other console Monster Hunters except for MHG Wii, plus Dynasty Warriors 5, sold around 30K between their last Top 30 appearance and the year-end period, as reflected in the relevant Top 100s. The time periods are different, but MH3 is obviously bigger than the other games.
That would leave MH3 at between 950K and 960K. Of course, given that the series has legs, I really don't think next week will be its last in the top 30. I think it has another three weeks left myself, at least on MC's chart.
Cosmonaut X
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cvxfreak said:
I reckon it's just going to manage it, although it's going to be a grind for that last 30k or so. I think 1 million by the New Year is a lock, and I'm interested to see whether Capcom will release a MH Tri The Best edition and how far that can take the game.
Dragona Akehi
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AFreak said:
Japanese people do not have computers and the internet at home. If Sony had sold 150 000 units of GT via PSN, you can be sure they'd be shouting about it from the rooftops. In the end, Digital Distribution in Japan is a going to be a minority thing without clear numbers.
If people are going to go on about the "DD sales" they're going to get banned, because we don't have any numbers, and their likelihood of being strong without some sort of PR boost is extremely small.
I'll also add to say that with the PSP Go not launched in Japan yet, anyone with a current PSP who does not already own a PS3 is very unlikely to have a PSN account. Unless they have purchased a game previously which used PSN for DLC (for example Prinny, or Hatsune Miku), it is not likely that they would have bothered.
There are a lot of factors to look at, and it's not like we're trying to put down DD sales or anything, but being realistic about it given the nature of the market and the factors presented, there is really no reason to believe at all that a significant number of sales are being made over DD. Especially if you look at it from a % sold point of view, if 50% of the sales are generated from PSN alone, is anyone suggesting that Sony would not want to report that just to boost confidence from investors?
Yes you can. It was released day and date.
Nope.
There are a lot of factors to look at, and it's not like we're trying to put down DD sales or anything, but being realistic about it given the nature of the market and the factors presented, there is really no reason to believe at all that a significant number of sales are being made over DD. Especially if you look at it from a % sold point of view, if 50% of the sales are generated from PSN alone, is anyone suggesting that Sony would not want to report that just to boost confidence from investors?
Laguna said:
Yes you can. It was released day and date.
Dra-Q said:
Nope.
cvxfreak said:
Yeah I think it will probably be higher than 950-960K at the end of the year..its showing better legs than I thought and I imagine it will sell ok in the holiday months, even if it isn't charting.
Gravijah said:
I guess that depends on a lot of factors? Would this just be the store charging you to buy over PSN using their "account"? Or would it be the store itself selling it into your PSP directly? Because the second example is impossible, and will never happen. It is also the only example which would allow a store to set prices on games like they do for retail software, and give an incentive for someone to buy it rather than over PSN.
duckroll said:
I was thinking more of a Sony kiosk where you plug your PSP in and can browse through games to buy, but honestly, the more I think about it the more I realize the entire idea is stupid and not feasible at ALL. If you have a Go, you (should) already have some way of buying games. If you have a regular ol' PSP, most consumers are going to go for the disc version.
Tenbatsu said:
Dragona Akehi said:
LOL I love the double standard in this topic.
When MH3 online subs are mentioned 70% of MH3 users are paying a monthly subscription to play online, so it means massive profits for Capcom.
When PSP download sales are mentioned its. Few in Japan now has an internet connection so it mean minute dd sales for the PSP.
Its either one or the other people. Dragona is probably right here. Probably less than 20 percent of people with MH3 is paying for subscription and PSP DD sales are minute.
ccbfan said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18043532&postcount=30
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18043547&postcount=31
People pointed out those numbers were way exaggerated, no double standard.
Cosmonaut X
Member
ccbfan said:
What double standard?
That's perhaps the first time anyone has suggested MH Tri sub rates are that high, and the poster was challenged by other posters for estimating the rate at that level. The PSP DD thing has been going for a few weeks now and it certainly should be stomped on because suggesting that unknowable figures must lift a game from "bomba" or "decent" performance adds nothing to the discussion.
If there was a constant trickle of comments about sub rates, you can be sure that it wouldn't be tolerated either.
Segata Sanshiro
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I saw a lot of GTP in the used shops last weekend. To me, that points to a title whose sales are declining because of consumer disappointment as opposed to people clamouring to buy it online.
The used business in Japan is another compelling reason to think DD sales won't be very strong, as well. Because there aren't any rentals allowed in Japan, games turn over really, really fucking fast here, and you will sometimes get almost what you paid for the game even a week after it comes out.
So if I'm a game buyer in Japan (oh hey, I am!), do I want to roll the dice and pay near full price for a DD version I can do nothing with if I don't like it/am finished with it, or do I want to buy a physical copy I can turn around next week for full price less 1000 yen? This is one of those really easy decisions that pretty much all but the most stupid make the right choice on.
The used business in Japan is another compelling reason to think DD sales won't be very strong, as well. Because there aren't any rentals allowed in Japan, games turn over really, really fucking fast here, and you will sometimes get almost what you paid for the game even a week after it comes out.
So if I'm a game buyer in Japan (oh hey, I am!), do I want to roll the dice and pay near full price for a DD version I can do nothing with if I don't like it/am finished with it, or do I want to buy a physical copy I can turn around next week for full price less 1000 yen? This is one of those really easy decisions that pretty much all but the most stupid make the right choice on.
Segata Sanshiro
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Cell phone games do alright but they don't require an internet connection, are not available in physical format, and are often broken up into bite-sized low-priced chunks and/or subscription services.obonicus said:
Segata Sanshiro said:
This is being requoted because it's so fucking true.
I intend to buy three PSP games for my PSP Go. Two of them are games I sold as UMD in preparation for the Go, and the other is Biohazard Portable, for obvious reasons.
If I ever wanna buy another PSP game, I sure as hell will get the UMD and make sure I love it before selling it off in favor of DD.