HK-47 said:Two of the best =/= The two best
Indeed. Totally did not read the post carefully enough.
HK-47 said:Two of the best =/= The two best
Takao said:http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Oc2JEaD0L._SL500_AA280_.jpg
Guess it wasn't released in Japan or something.*
*Note= I've never actually seen this game in real life, I remember a Press Release announcing it, but never it hitting stores. Amazon says it hit NA on November 1, 2007, and carries an insane $60 price tag.
It's too bad, because the new series is so much better than the old one.duckroll said:I don't think there's another title. But the new series obviously isn't as popular as the previous one too. Sales and ratings are all down in general, so it's not surprising that the games are suffering. It doesn't help that the Wii games from S-E this time round are visual adventures, and not even the action adventure games which sold so well on the PS2. Lolz.
Initial releases, yeah. FF X's rereleases have done a lot more for it than XII's, though.gogogow said:FFX sold 2674 copies more than FFXII. But yeah, I don't think XIII will sell as well as the PS2 ones.
JoshuaJSlone said:Initial releases, yeah. FF X's rereleases have done a lot more for it than XII's, though.
bttb said:Famitsu Estimates (October 2009)
Title - First Shipment / Total Forecast
[PS3] Final Fantasy 13 (Square Enix) FS 830K-1.04M / TF 1.00M-1.50M
[WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) FS 610K-820K / TF 2.50M+
[NDS] Zelda no Densetsu: Daichi no Kiteki (Nintendo) FS 320K-430K / TF 810K-990K
[NDS] Layton Kyouju to Majin no Fue (Level 5) FS 200K-270K / TF 540K-690K
[PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam Next Plus (Bandai Namco Games) FS 180K-240K / TF 360K-460K
[NDS] Hikari no 4 Senshi: Final Fantasy Gaiden (Square Enix) FS 150K-200K / TF 160K-200K
[PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega) FS 150K-200K / TF 230K-290K
[PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami) FS 150K-190K / TF 360K-460K
[PSP] Persona 3 Portable (Atlus) FS 110K-140K / TF 130K-180K
[WII] Tales of Graces (Bandai Namco Games) FS 120K-170K / TF 180K-230K
[WII] Sengoku Musou 3 (Koei) FS 100K-140K / TF 130K-160K
[PS3] Bayonetta (Sega) FS 80K-110K / TF 110K-140K
[WII] Mario & Sonic at Vancouver Olympics (Nintendo) FS 80K-110K / TF 410K-520K
[PSP] J-League Pro Soccer Team wo Tsukurou! 6 (Sega) FS 80K-110K / TF 140K-180K
[NDS] Mario & Sonic at Vancouver Olympics (Nintendo) FS 80K-110K / TF 230K-290K
http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1255671846/634
Edit: P3P's FS/TF figures should switch places.
Road said:[PS3] Bayonetta (Sega) FS 110K-130K / TF 120K-160K
[PS3] Bayonetta (Sega) FS 80K-110K / TF 110K-140K
Revised down. I don't know why would you expect big things from it. Ninja Gaiden caters do the same type of audience and it doesn't even cross 100k. So, if this one can do it, Sega should be happy. We'll see.
AranhaHunter said:However, I also wanna say that their prediction for Tales of Graces and Samurai Warriors 3 is surprising. While I don't think Graces will outsell Vesperia on both PS3 and 360 (500k+), I do expect it to outsell it on the PS3 alone, especially considering the PS3 is a year old port. Famitsu is predicting Graces to sell in line with the 360 version, which would be a major fail IMO.
Also, IIRC, SW2 did 500k+ in Japan on PS2 and Famitsu is predicting a drop of over 50% there. I have no idea what to expect of SW3, but I was thinking 300k LTD would be bad, these numbers just make it much worse, this would be a true bomba if Famitsu predictions are right.
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In my opinion, there's no chance. It's a spin-off. An anticipated one, to be sure, and I'm sure it will clock some nice numbers, but a spin-off is a spin-off.Cellbomber said:Would there be any chance of Versus selling more than XIII? It will have an advantage of a bigger install base. I guess it will depend on how the gameplay turns out.
I know it's not a mainline game, but it's not necessarily a spin-off game either (IMO). How is it being looked at in Japan?
donny2112 said:SM3 - 125K FW / 250K LTD
Angelus Errare said:FFXII has only had one rerelease in Japan.....Zodiac, FFX has had 4. I'd hope 4 re-releases do better than 1.
schuelma said:Their Graces prediction seems incredibly low- they are basically predicting it to sell in line with what the Symphonia spinoff did, which seems very unlikely.
duckroll said:Or maybe they're predicting it to sell in line with what the pretty much every single Tales game sells these days.
DMeisterJ said:Of course not, but comparing FFXIII to XII or X with PS2s huge install base lead is probably something that should be taken into account with 'XIII needs to sell 1.5 mil or it's a bomba' when 1.5 mil could easily be 35-40% of the install base when it launches, which is a pretty high barrier to 'success'.
charlequin said:Err, no, they're not predicting that, because that would be 300-ish a la Vesperia PS3.
duckroll said:No, ToV on PS3 and RM2 on PSP are abnormalities. They're not the norm, they're the exceptions. In the past 3 years or so, there have been like 10 Tales releases, and only 2 have sold more than 300k.
charlequin said:I think the idea that Vesperia is a unique success is silly unless there's some underlying explanation for it. The last three years of the Tales series haven't been homogenous offerings; it's consisted primarily of mothership titles on platforms with obvious problems (following up garbage like Tempest, being the 360) and escort titles on less problematic platforms (like the well-suited TotW on PSP).
I don't think there's any reason to believe that the market for "main series" Tales games is now exactly as large as that for spinoffs; instead, I think a better explanation is that the mothership games have been underperforming based on poor platform selection -- a theory that's backed up by Vesperia's significantly better performance for the same game on a new, better-suited platform. I don't think it would make sense to argue that Graces would only do 180k if it were coming out on PS3, so I don't think "Tales games do 200k" is a suitable explanation here.
Now, you could argue that nobody with a Wii wants a Tales game, but ToSKoR seems to suggest otherwise. Given that game's sales, it's hard for me to imagine any situation where Graces (the first real effort from Team Destiny in three years) underperforms that number (212k) and seems pretty unlikely that it wouldn't pick up at least 60k or so extra on top of ToS' number.
charlequin said:I think the idea that Vesperia is a unique success is silly unless there's some underlying explanation for it. The last three years of the Tales series haven't been homogenous offerings; it's consisted primarily of mothership titles on platforms with obvious problems (following up garbage like Tempest, being the 360) and escort titles on less problematic platforms (like the well-suited TotW on PSP).
I don't think there's any reason to believe that the market for "main series" Tales games is now exactly as large as that for spinoffs; instead, I think a better explanation is that the mothership games have been underperforming based on poor platform selection -- a theory that's backed up by Vesperia's significantly better performance for the same game on a new, better-suited platform. I don't think it would make sense to argue that Graces would only do 180k if it were coming out on PS3, so I don't think "Tales games do 200k" is a suitable explanation here.
Now, you could argue that nobody with a Wii wants a Tales game, but ToSKoR seems to suggest otherwise. Given that game's sales, it's hard for me to imagine any situation where Graces (the first real effort from Team Destiny in three years) underperforms that number (212k) and seems pretty unlikely that it wouldn't pick up at least 60k or so extra on top of ToS' number.
AranhaHunter said:Also, IIRC, SW2 did 500k+ in Japan on PS2 and Famitsu is predicting a drop of over 50% there. I have no idea what to expect of SW3, but I was thinking 300k LTD would be bad, these numbers just make it much worse, this would be a true bomba if Famitsu predictions are right.
Anything else would make it a bomba.Road said:We're just lacking more bold predictions: ToG will outsell ToSDotNW before the year ends.
It's one of a number of... I dunno, B+ level titles for this year? A game selling 250K today would be in this console gen's third party top 20, though. Or Wii third party top 5.Flying_Phoenix said:Isn't this the supposed "killer" third party Wii game people are talking about?
Not to downplay your boldness, but if a Tales title doesn't hit milestone X in its first few weeks, it's probably not going to get there through legs.Road said:We're just lacking more bold predictions: ToG will outsell ToSDotNW before the year ends.
schuelma said:So apparently WE Wii is being bundled with the CC Pro in Japan (it hits 12/10).
Interesting move in that Nintendo is clearly trying to get the CC Pro out there, and also that that big selling point for WE has been its pointer functionality.
Nuclear Muffin said:Aren't there two versions of WE for Wii this year? (I thought it they were going to release WE10 Wii and WE Playmaker, the pointer controlled one, both this year.) If that's the case, then it would make sense to include a CCPro with the normal version.
cvxfreak said:If this doesn't give the Wii version a bigger share of WE's overall sales than in the past, then nothing will.
schuelma said:Seems like Konami is giving up on the pointer appeal, at least in Japan.
Its interesting, and I've said this many times before, but Nintendo in Japan seems to be making a very concerted effort towards the traditional controller market. That's 3 CC Pro bundles for December alone, not to mention their huge holiday game having close to zero motion controls.
Vilix said:Indeed. I'm happy to see NCL giving people options than making waggle manditory. At least in genres that do better with CC than waggle.
Well, at this point it's probably a good way to lure people in and hope that they find out about the superior control that way (instead the game not selling well at all). Even here on GAF talking about FIFA HD versus PES HD controls is apparently way more important to most soccer fans while PES Wii's control goes nearly unnoticed.Cosmonaut X said:Like PES, where they produced a fantastic game that utilised the pointer very well?
onken said:Extrapolating from last week's figures, I guess U2 did around 55k for the week. Not bad, all things considered.