Magicpaint
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Symphonia PS2 wasn't released in the West. Abyss did though, and it bombed. Symphonia PS2 easily outsold the GC original in Japan.
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Media Create Sales: Week 15, 2013 (Apr 08 - Apr 14)
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Symphonia PS2 wasn't released in the West. Abyss did though, and it bombed. Symphonia PS2 easily outsold the GC original in Japan.
Nah it didn't bomb, and it was never released in the west (PS2 version). The GC one did decently in Japan and is probably the best selling Tales game in the west.
You're right, I am dumb -_-
I was definitely confusing Abyss' PS2 release with Symphonia's in the West
MasterSheen
Member
There's always the possibility, but it's highly unlikely since the base is there and we've seen Tales ports on the PS3 perform better than on the original platforms.
Unless Symphonia isn't popular anymore in Japan (which wouldn't really make sense) I don't see why a PS3 Symphonia R would bomb.
It seems like a game Nintendo would secure for Wii U though. But they'd have to secure complete exclusivity in some way because otherwise Namco would just port it to the PS3 with some extra content (would sell more too lol).
It seems like a game Nintendo would secure for Wii U though. But they'd have to secure complete exclusivity in some way because otherwise Namco would just port it to the PS3 with some extra content (would sell more too lol).
Hero of Legend
Member
Most likely Nintendo could secure timed-exclusivety in JP, but work with Namco to localize it (funding and whatnot, possibly co-publish) so they in a sense own the localization, thus preventing any non-Nintendo version from ever seeing the day of light in NA.
That to me is why the original on PS2 never came, and why Samurai Warriors 3 also never came here on PS3 and PSP, for NG3RE, the localization was already done on PS360 (Nintendo also only published it in NA and EU), Nintendo didn't fund or help with the Wii U version.
Which explains why that got ported and released worldwide on PS360.
For Symphonia, Nintendo would be very smart to make this happen for NA and EU fans because by far it was the most successful Tales in NA. A remake would attract fans of the original and as well with the automatic association of it being on a Nintendo home console again, so far the name has only been on Nintendo platforms outside Japan.
And it's natural for platform associations with certain games if they followed a trend (hell Namco admits this for the PS platform choices in JP). This is why I think a remake of Symphonia (or even Symphonia 3) on Wii U would be very smart despite weak sales of Wii U, and besides, it ain't getting any better without the games.
Besides we have Graces F on PS3 in NA to judge the series' potential outside JP on PS3, it sold well below the previous games, even Abyss 3DS IIRC did pretty well.
What boggles me is how a golden opportunity to pull a Symphonia 2.0 with Graces on Wii never happened, what stopped Nintendo from doing the same thing they did with Symphonia for Graces? Not only that, the game would've come out during the Operation Rainfall event which obvious gained a temporary bump in interest for big JRPGs on Wii in NA at least.
No way in hell Graces Wii would've done worse than Graces F on PS3.
Thanks, do you know what the release dates are for GE2 and FFX-HD?
Kinda worrying that Vita's big releases are coming to other platforms too.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
2 ff x ports, ragnarok odyssey ace, toukiden
killzone and tearaway if you count only exclusive
TheRedSnifit
Member
Year of the Luigi.
This game was delayed.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/18/ragnarok-odyssey-ace-delayed-from-july-to-tbd/
BishopLamont
Banned
Depends completely on upcoming third party support, we're only a third of the year in, there's still alot of time left for announcements.
Whats sad is since 2005-20011 there's been 16 Yu-Gi-Oh games that I can see at garaph.info, none passed 200k. This is worse than Capcom style of milking.
I'm not expecting it to bomb but for all we know it could be a crappy port or make bad decisions like the Vita games have.
If Nintendo wanted exclusivity they seem to have a close enough relationship with Bamco to get it through some sort of deal. Like I said though it depends on what else they have planned because if they somehow have another PS3 Tales game coming Symphonia would be open for other platforms.
Those titles came out when Yugioh first came out and now its so big that people just play it in person. I'm convinced that the only reason they still made them is because it was cheap to reuse the same engine over and over which is why we haven't seen them on the 3DS(in edition to the fact that there are now free alternatives).
electroplankton
Banned
Do we have software totals for the Game Boy? And an all-time chart for games?
They will probably have some other niche titles, and of course they cannot do worse than last year, with only AKB149 for Christmas, but yeah, they are in trouble with the Fall line-up now. In fact, we don't know about 3DS Fall line-up as well, outside Project Mirai, Inazuma Eleven Go Galaxy and the new Little Battle Experience.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
So what a lot of people don't know, in regards to how Sony works, is that Soul Sacrifice will almost definitely see a PS3 port.
Sony has never, nor will they ever, respect their handheld gamers.
pieatorium
Member
can you list the sony handheld games that received console ports? I can think of a couple of multiplats and collections but not any ports of the top of my head.
michaelius
Banned
Both God of Wars PSP and PSV Hot Shot Golf - can't remember anything else.
pieatorium
Member
Ah yeah hot shots is a good one, God of wars part of a collection like i said which was what 3 or 4 years later? If that counts a no respect for handhelds then any port is no respect to its original platform
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Fat Princess, Flow, anything God of War, MLB The Show, Motorstorm: Arctic Edge, Secret Agent Clank, and more.
It's not even like Sony is the strongest first party developer around, but they have so little faith in their handheld division. It seems like they won't ever put their A teams on handheld projects.
michaelius
Banned
Fat princes was released on PS3 first then ported to PSP
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Okay now that you discounted the least significant release on the list what about the rest?
michaelius
Banned
I'm not bored enough to google them but so were you
pieatorium
Member
Fat princess and Flow were PS3 first then ported to PSP.
MLB has been multiplat from the start.
Motorstorm was esentially multiplat aswell the releases were a couple of weeks apart.
The God of wars were years later as part of God of War collections. Not available individually.
The only ones so far that really fit are HSG6 and Clank.
Next battle to watch since Wii this year will sell less than 2 million and PS3 more than 10.
2006 CY {2005.12.26 - 2006.12.31} [WII] Software Sales - 1.956.400 / 1.956.400
2007 CY {2007.01.01 - 2007.12.30} [WII] Software Sales - 11.665.679 / 13.622.100
2008 CY {2007.12.31 - 2008.12.28} [WII] Software Sales - 13.802.220 / 27.424.300
2009 CY {2008.12.29 - 2009.12.27} [WII] Software Sales - 13.100.000 / 40.524.300
2010 CY {2009.12.28 - 2010.12.26} [WII] Software Sales - 11.672.619 / 52.196.900
2011 CY {2010.12.27 - 2011.12.25} [WII] Software Sales - 8.812.053 / 61.009.000
2012 CY {2011.12.26 - 2012.12.30} [WII] Software Sales - 5.272.514 / 66.281.500
2006 CY {2005.12.26 - 2006.12.31} [PS3] Software Sales - 453.900 / 453.900
2007 CY {2007.01.01 - 2007.12.30} [PS3] Software Sales - 2.951.390 / 3.405.300
2008 CY {2007.12.31 - 2008.12.28} [PS3] Software Sales - 5.155.082 / 8.560.400
2009 CY {2008.12.29 - 2009.12.27} [PS3] Software Sales - 8.020.000 / 16.580.400
2010 CY {2009.12.28 - 2010.12.26} [PS3] Software Sales - 9.989.572 / 26.570.000
2011 CY {2010.12.27 - 2011.12.25} [PS3] Software Sales - 12.091.930 / 38.661.900
2012 CY {2011.12.26 - 2012.12.30} [PS3] Software Sales - 11.752.653 / 50.414.600
2006 CY {2005.12.26 - 2006.12.31} [WII] Software Sales - 1.956.400 / 1.956.400
2007 CY {2007.01.01 - 2007.12.30} [WII] Software Sales - 11.665.679 / 13.622.100
2008 CY {2007.12.31 - 2008.12.28} [WII] Software Sales - 13.802.220 / 27.424.300
2009 CY {2008.12.29 - 2009.12.27} [WII] Software Sales - 13.100.000 / 40.524.300
2010 CY {2009.12.28 - 2010.12.26} [WII] Software Sales - 11.672.619 / 52.196.900
2011 CY {2010.12.27 - 2011.12.25} [WII] Software Sales - 8.812.053 / 61.009.000
2012 CY {2011.12.26 - 2012.12.30} [WII] Software Sales - 5.272.514 / 66.281.500
2006 CY {2005.12.26 - 2006.12.31} [PS3] Software Sales - 453.900 / 453.900
2007 CY {2007.01.01 - 2007.12.30} [PS3] Software Sales - 2.951.390 / 3.405.300
2008 CY {2007.12.31 - 2008.12.28} [PS3] Software Sales - 5.155.082 / 8.560.400
2009 CY {2008.12.29 - 2009.12.27} [PS3] Software Sales - 8.020.000 / 16.580.400
2010 CY {2009.12.28 - 2010.12.26} [PS3] Software Sales - 9.989.572 / 26.570.000
2011 CY {2010.12.27 - 2011.12.25} [PS3] Software Sales - 12.091.930 / 38.661.900
2012 CY {2011.12.26 - 2012.12.30} [PS3] Software Sales - 11.752.653 / 50.414.600
jeremy1456
Junior Member
On top of multi plats why don't we compare the big name franchises Nintendo has put on their Handheld and those Sony have.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wow did not know PS3 was so close to the Wii in software sales. It should outsell it in 2 years.
pieatorium
Member
Thats a long watch though? PS3 is slowing so even with <2m for wii and >10m for PS3 this year PS3 still might not pass it even next year.
PS3 will sell software in 2014 and 2015, Wii won't. It's a matter of time.
pieatorium
Member
Yeah for sure it will eventually but thats what i mean, there will probably be other battles to watch between now and then
.electroplankton
Banned
KillerMan91
Member
PS3 software sales peaked during sixth year...Damn this has been weird gen.
ambientmystic
Member
The PS3 is just hitting its stride in the marketplace. /10yearplan
Graphics Horse
Member
Syphon Filter, Wipeout Pulse.
shinra-bansho
Member
Didn't realize they were so close in LTD. Even if PS3 SW sales begin to trail off, it should still pass the Wii, which is somewhat surprising given the latter had a dozen more million sellers.
electroplankton
Banned
Wii support was a lackluster with respect to PS3, though. Wii had many more million sellers, but sales were concentrated among them.
Look at the difference at the end of 2010, when Wii was essentially dead (for new releases) from then on.
Yeah. Plus Wii U really should've come out in 2011 for Japan. Was saying that as far back as 2009, I think.
Iru and Lucas Wonderful Mysterious Keys, which would almost assuredly be Dragon Quest Monsters 2 for 3DS.
Sammy Samusu
Member
This game is so above the the other Tales. Ch.
shinra-bansho
Member
This seems as good a Sales-Age place to ask as any; what are the chances Nintendo announces a Wii U price-cut, effective immediately, at their FYE earnings announcement on Thursday?
Can they do so and load the losses into this FY?
Because (in full realization that a price cut would be much more effective with more software to back it up) if not now, when?
The more I think about it, the more I think there's no way they can leave it in this state through to June/E3 or wait until they have Mario Kart ready at the Holidays.
Can they do so and load the losses into this FY?
Because (in full realization that a price cut would be much more effective with more software to back it up) if not now, when?
The more I think about it, the more I think there's no way they can leave it in this state through to June/E3 or wait until they have Mario Kart ready at the Holidays.
They will wait until they have major software to back up a price cut. Without that software a price cut is a short lived blip on the radar. With that software a price cut will create momentum similar to how it worked for the 3ds.
ambientmystic
Member
Slim to nil.
E3, together with all the software megatons and reveals for the rest of year, to set up that unstoppable momentum they acheived with the 3DS. Count on it (maybe).
shinra-bansho
Member
Was there major software for the PS3 when the price lever was pulled mid-2007?
Pokemon?
Hero of Legend
Member
3rd-parties I guess was what he/she meant.
But yeah, past summer is a bit bare, hope there's some UBER support coming. Less lower tier games, more biggens.
I want to know what MAQL is cooking up for 3DS aside from Kaio, if they'll actually announce you-know-what, and maybe the next HM and RF5, which was confirmed to be greenlit last year.
Namco's been a great shower of smaller tier support with their anime games and others, but now is the time for something bigger, Tales or maybe even Ridge Racer 3D 2 would be lovely.
Konami... well, I'm not overly hopeful, I would personally kill for Peace Walker 3D (Naked Sample visuals to boot and I would be in heaven), but imagine if ZOE 3DS was actually real and not a troll tease *foams in mouth*.
Sega should have something aside from Miku, though I feel lucky we even saw Miku 2 which shouldn't be a feeling I should be having...
Koei Tecmo owe us Ninja Gaiden 3DS, they actually said it was still early as far back as E3 2011, so as of then it was confirmed to still exist, how about it? Remake Dragon Sword into a proper 3D game PLEASE! Another warriors is actually due, they were said to be very happy with Chronicles 2nd's performance, I think they hinted at another.
Capcom's good with MH4 and Gaist Crusher and AA5, who knows what's in-store, maybe a portable Basara to tie-in with Basara 4 (the previous portable ones were on PSP).
Square Enix should be gearing up for DQM2 3D as the trademark points to, but how about SOMETHING FF-related that's actually an RPG? Bring back Chocobo! :'(
Atlus is well covered this year, but a send off of 2013 with Persona 3 would be lovely, as they owe us Persona 3DS and the movie is still this year IIRC.
Level 5 is also good.
Having trouble thinking of other big JP publishers.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Comgnet
Animal Crossing - 631pts / 721.786
Tomodachi Collection - 980pts / ???
Oh oh oh oh oh oh.
Tsutaya: #6 Tomodachi Collection DL Card
Animal Crossing - 631pts / 721.786
Tomodachi Collection - 980pts / ???
Oh oh oh oh oh oh.
Tales of Xillia - 938pts / 331.533
Tsutaya: #6 Tomodachi Collection DL Card
I don't think the 3DS fall line up will be an issue. Even if it ONLY has pokemon and the aforementioned Project Mirai and Level 5 games it'll still do huge numbers. I sort of expect Monster Hunter 4 to still be charting through that period and there are enough releases in the summer to give it some huge momentum into fall even if Pokemon has to sustain the boost on it's own.
Comgnet is such a joke.