Media Create Sales: Week 26, 2015 (Jun 22 - Jun 28)
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Nintendo is really late in introducing their unified platform. I really hope they made it easy for third parties to include wii u in development.
Bitanator
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Only one is an exclusive title though, it is easy for Square Enix business wise to have a Vita version of the other games, I guess not a lot of resources to get them running and it will make them money. More about them realizing they are leaving money on the table not getting a Vita version out there than boosting up support
Well with DQ Builders I can definitely see that positioned as primarily Vita experience. Minecraft has really caught on on the platform.
For now. Been a while since we heard about SaGa on Vita. I wouldn't be surprised if it's been turned into a Vita/PS4 game.
I see Vita reaping the most benefits from DQ Builders. It doesn't look like something that needs the power of the PS4 so I don't see it benefiting a whole lot especially since there a home version on PS3 as well.
It's probably SaGa2016 now.
It's probably SaGa2016 now.
Yeah, that's why I can't see the handheld form factor not releasing next year. For example, I think DQB could've been released on a Nintendo platform with such a huge userbase like 3DS too if it had enough power behind it.
yep, especially considering how the risky bet done with the Wii (almost no generational gap with the GC) offered them the chance to close the (tech) gap between their portable and home consoles.
So I think the Dragon Quest stuff is a good sign of the way the Japanese industry is going. Developers are gravitating towards the PS Ecosystem with the promise of support from Sony and the possibility of global success; not just the west, Sony has made great strides in Asia which is a big boon for JP developers.
I honestly think Nintendo will struggle to secure support for NX because they haven't really been making any of the right moves for third parties. Maybe if it can establish its own success they might jump in.
I honestly think Nintendo will struggle to secure support for NX because they haven't really been making any of the right moves for third parties. Maybe if it can establish its own success they might jump in.
OrbitalBeard
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I think Nintendo will be able to secure a few high profile third party exclusives but the early years of NX are likely going to be dominated by big first party Nintendo releases. If the platform is a big success, third parties will likely jump in, at least in Japan.
...What about 3DS, then? I can't think we're doubting that the successor of 3DS (because NX will probably succeed both 3DS and Wii U) is going to get good third party support from Japan, initially. Actually, with enough power, it could get versions of the PS Ecosystem games too (the power - for 3DS - and sales - for Wii U - are the main culript).
Well I can see it still getting (multiplatform) Monster Hunter and sharing Level 5 games with mobile but it's largely going to be that uncomfortable middle ground between mobile and the PS systems and most third parties will freeze it out IMO.
Pennywise83
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Yes, the fact that SQEX is throwing all of its support to PS4 really reminds me the PS2-era, where third parties betted on that platform without almost considering any other alternative (and rightly so).
Is that the main culprit though or is Sony just that much better to work with? I think Asian markets are a big factor and Nintendo completely failed to make any inroads.
Yup, from the sounds of it Sega is going to be joining them too.
OrbitalBeard
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I could see Iwata lobbying hard for Monster Hunter 5 exclusively on NX. It will be very interesting to see what happens there.
I don't really see it outside of the devs that are already big on the Sony platforms and even then I'm expecting mobile to have a bigger pull. I can't think of anything that would make that kind of jump.
Nintendo's next platform could benefit from both console and mobile multiplats in Japan.
Bruno MB
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Nintendo 64, GameCube, Wii and Wi U had zero support from Japanese developers, why things should change with Nintendo NX if it is a home console?
I'm sure that Nintendo is not that crazy to not release a new dedicated handheld console next year or at the very latest early 2017.
By the way, I've lost the count of how many times during these past years Nintendo 3DS has been declared dead in these threads when it comes to third-party support.
I'm sure that Nintendo is not that crazy to not release a new dedicated handheld console next year or at the very latest early 2017.
By the way, I've lost the count of how many times during these past years Nintendo 3DS has been declared dead in these threads when it comes to third-party support.
I don't think it would be very hard for Nintendo to get third party support from Japan under the stipulation they actually go out and the do the same things Sony and Microsoft do where they make the hardware to the preferences of third parties and then throw them all sorts of incentives without much in the way of return.
Like what they're doing with Skylanders is the type of thing they should be doing for third party games in general. Take a game that's definitely going to be mutliplatform, but offer the publisher something to help their game sell and encourage people to buy the NX version.
Historically Nintendo has done this type of thing for exclusives instead which is generally not what third parties are willing to make.
Or, to put it another way, they should want to have their platform show up wherever you would see "PS3/Vita" appended to PS4 now, even if PS3/Vita are still there. Microsoft managed it last generation, and the PC is managing it now without even having a platform vendor, so it's not an impossible task.
Will they do it? Hard to say until the thing unveils and we see third party line-ups emerge.
Like what they're doing with Skylanders is the type of thing they should be doing for third party games in general. Take a game that's definitely going to be mutliplatform, but offer the publisher something to help their game sell and encourage people to buy the NX version.
Historically Nintendo has done this type of thing for exclusives instead which is generally not what third parties are willing to make.
Or, to put it another way, they should want to have their platform show up wherever you would see "PS3/Vita" appended to PS4 now, even if PS3/Vita are still there. Microsoft managed it last generation, and the PC is managing it now without even having a platform vendor, so it's not an impossible task.
Will they do it? Hard to say until the thing unveils and we see third party line-ups emerge.
NX could benefit from mobile multiplats as well, it's the other kind of titles I believe the platform will get more thanks to more tools and less hurdles to bring content (especially given the Android rumours - both Nikkei and the one that talked about Disney too). I was specifically referring to console games here.
Sure I think he'll try but I'm not sure Capcom will bite. Verendus already implied it's going multi.
Pretty much every dev/pub is already big on Sony platforms. I think it goes back to what Nirolak said a while ago in relation to poor 3DS support; if a project is already skipping the market leader(mobile) there's probably not much difference whether it's on 2nd or 3rd place.
Oh I'm assuming NX is a handheld first and will have historically low support. I think Nintendo has burnt any third party goodwill and hasn't done enough to cultivate it.
Ok, now I need an explanation about why do you believe Nintendo burnt third party goodwill with 3DS. And I want something logical, not "SONY'S MONEY, BIATCH!!" like you were doing back when you believed main MH was going to come to Sony platforms for reasons.
I don't think mainline Monster Hunter is ever leaving handhelds so it'll almost definitely be on NX eventually. Though I wonder how fast Capcom will make the jump to NX. They might stick around on the 3DS for a couple more years if they can continue to pump out multimillion sellers on the platform.
Like I said in another thread, the only things Monster Hunter-related that are coming to Playstation are Frontier 2 and maybe a Musou type spinoff.
Well we're seeing publishing execs talk about how mobile isn't the be all and end all and how they're refocusing on consoles. They're almost entirely referring to the PS4 and the PS ecosystem; the most dangerous thing for Nintendo is not they're not even part of the equation.
I've already outlined one obvious way. Sony has made a lot of effort in Asia and basically built new markets which has been massively important for Japanese third parties and Nintendo has failed to do any of that.
That's not even getting into stuff like Nintendo's terrible support for industry standard middleware and lack of support for multiplatform titles(mentioned by Nirolak above).
Also main MH is totally heading to PlayStation. It just might be multiplatform rather than exclusive.
OrbitalBeard
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What did he say?
That Frontier 2 won't be the only MH on PS4 but it's Capcom working the system into their current plans rather than a change of course which implies multiplatform.
OrbitalBeard
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Interesting. I don't think that necessarily implies a mainline MH on Sony platforms though. We'll see what happens. Either way, Monster Hunter 5 is probably 2017 at the earliest. The next two years are all 3DS for the series.
I'd like to clarify here that they're all still making a torrent of mobile games however.
They're just re-imagining their dedicated device line-ups at the same time since sticking their eggs all in one basket got them into the pit in the first place, so switching entirely to another basket doesn't change much.
Even taking Square Enix, they announce a new mobile game about every two weeks and have 7+ upcoming announced ones already.
Sega, a company that announced they're trying harder on consoles this morning, is planning over 40 mobile games this fiscal year.
Namco, one of the publishers with the highest dedicated output, has also already released over 16 mobile titles this year doing a quick count on App Annie.
If anything it looks to me that Japanese devs that were big on Sony platforms are becoming less so outside of SE.
So, if NX solves the middleware problem (which I fear is the main one for specific titles to be released on their platforms), do you still believe third parties in general (not just SE, but even all the others that have several 3DS titles in the pipeline) will still ignore them? I mean, do you believe they would still ignore NX even if, in the future, with PS3 being dead, and Vita not getting a successor, PS4/Vita would be far from enough for them to get sustainable sales in Japan? Vita won't last forever, there must be something that substitues it. And no, don't say mobile: we're talking about more traditional efforts, and those aren't released / don't fit well on mobile.
I don't think that's true for the Wii: main Monster Hunter, main Dragon Quest, main Tales of, spinoffs from Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest... and some of them were exclusive (and remained that way).
Nintendo has very good relationships with some third parties in Japan (Level-5 and Namco for example) but they need to get them on board for the next home console (if there's one). Exciting times are coming for the Japanese market with the SE effort to revive the home console market and the launch of a new Nintendo console.
We'll get very interesting M-C threads next year, I'm sure ;D
Er, well outside of SE, I'm not seeing the rallying of third parties behind consoles. If anything, these moves by SE suggest that they are launching the last of their arsenal before they start reevaluating investing as heavily in console games.
I'm pretty sure a quote by one of their execs suggests that they want to brute force a resuscitation of sorts, but that's just them, really. Everyone else seems content with downsizing and moving to portable / mobile.
SEGA couldn't even afford to go to E3, I heard.
I'm pretty sure a quote by one of their execs suggests that they want to brute force a resuscitation of sorts, but that's just them, really. Everyone else seems content with downsizing and moving to portable / mobile.
SEGA couldn't even afford to go to E3, I heard.
Would you mind if I created a thread from this? FFXIV hitting 5 million sales seems like pretty big news.
Yes, many companies have just dramatically dropped their dedicated device output in general.
It takes about three seconds looking at the upcoming line-ups of Sega and Konami to see someone fairly far down that road, and Capcom isn't too far behind.
Atlus had a big presence at E3.
And they have a big announcement for consoles (PS4) at TGS.
Sega has plenty of money for E3. They just have no relevant games to show there, so they just had Atlus set up a booth for their own stuff.
They seem to have a booth at Gamescom judging by the event's website, which makes sense given they have Total Warhammer ramping up marketing and are about to unveil Dawn of War 3.
Come on, man, Oregano has never had "abandoning the ship" talk in the recent past, so we can actually accept that he can make such posts for once. Right? It's not like he's been insisting and insisting and insisting and insisting with just the smallest signs, right?
Does Capcom have any mobile games with promise that might help with their current issues?
Sure, I wasn't suggesting a move away from mobile. It was more that my point is that the two baskets are mobile and PlayStation. Nintendo isn't even a consideration.
Not really. 3DS had some stuff like Resident Evil and MGS early on but those times have long since past. Kenka Bancho was the last one and the new Otome game is back on Vita.
First of all I'm not convinced they'll fix the middleware situation at all. Secondly, I think a lot of them will be able largely ignore NX on the strength of Asian and Western marketS for PlayStation. It's also clear that publishers have been setting up PS4 as the natural upgrade path for a while now.
On that note I'm not ruling out the existence of a Vita successor.
I don't know where this view of all Japanese company is going to be only supporting Sony come from here lol.
Except for S-E which gives their eggs all to Sony ecosystem, we already see other jp company having huge trouble coming out with games and I still believe more of them will actually go to mobile than Sony/Nintendo platform.
Sega have been highly succesful on mobile that their are releasing a new title together with anime this season. "Chaos Dragon"
Konami is simply dead and go also all in into mobile and pachinko.
Bandai Namco is not going all in to Sony. They are giving both Ninty and Sony each different kind of title suitable to each market.
Capcom is even stranger. Their mobile effort is not doing good at all. But their MH had been all Nintendo platform title. I found this the opposite of SE with DQ on Sony vs MH on Nintendo. For their other title, we do see SFV being exclusive to Sony and Dragons Dogma Online. But what other title they have mentioned which shows they are going to support Sony platform even more here? Even Deep Down is still deep in development hell lol.
Level-5 is also more closely staying with Nintendo and mobile compared to Sony from all its action currently. Youkai Watch on 3DS and Fantasy Life 2 on mobile.
I feel some is getting the wrong view as S-E goes crazy and puts all their eggs on Sony here. There are other choices they can choose to support too this time.(Mobile or Nintendo platform)
Except for S-E which gives their eggs all to Sony ecosystem, we already see other jp company having huge trouble coming out with games and I still believe more of them will actually go to mobile than Sony/Nintendo platform.
Sega have been highly succesful on mobile that their are releasing a new title together with anime this season. "Chaos Dragon"
Konami is simply dead and go also all in into mobile and pachinko.
Bandai Namco is not going all in to Sony. They are giving both Ninty and Sony each different kind of title suitable to each market.
Capcom is even stranger. Their mobile effort is not doing good at all. But their MH had been all Nintendo platform title. I found this the opposite of SE with DQ on Sony vs MH on Nintendo. For their other title, we do see SFV being exclusive to Sony and Dragons Dogma Online. But what other title they have mentioned which shows they are going to support Sony platform even more here? Even Deep Down is still deep in development hell lol.
Level-5 is also more closely staying with Nintendo and mobile compared to Sony from all its action currently. Youkai Watch on 3DS and Fantasy Life 2 on mobile.
I feel some is getting the wrong view as S-E goes crazy and puts all their eggs on Sony here. There are other choices they can choose to support too this time.(Mobile or Nintendo platform)
To be honest, not many.
They're about to launch Monster Hunter Explore which is their flagship. Breath of Fire 6 is their other bigger title. Then there are a few more casual titles like Ghostbusters: Puzzle Fighter for their Beeline brand. It will likely take them a while before they find any mobile success.
Similarly their first real try at free 2 play on console/PC is about to come out with Dragon's Dogma Online, and will be followed by a variety of titles later (Deep Down and seemingly Monster Hunter Frontier 2 as two examples). That's based on a game a bit more in their wheelhouse though.
Given they've been in development for what now qualifies as years, they're clearly hoping Monster Hunter Explore and Breath of Fire 6 will help them out. I suspect they may be in for a rude awakening with how those perform.
OrbitalBeard
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Ok....now I think you're talking a little crazy lol
I think the main argument at play is that there's going to be a lot more multiplat games in Japan soon with devs going for PS4 and NX.
I agree.
I mean, is pretty evident how much SE is betting on the PS ecosystem, but at the same time it seems that the 3DS is getting ignored by third parties, while I've posted a pretty impressive list of games announced in the last few months, despite the 3DS being in its fifth (right?) year on the market.
I'm talking about Japanese support on Nintendo handheld, just to clarify.