PdotMichael
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He should stop hosting the Nintendo Directs first. Not sure if he really thinks he is some kind of Steve Jobs.
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Media Create Sales: Week 34, 2013 (Aug 19 - Aug 25)
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He should stop hosting the Nintendo Directs first. Not sure if he really thinks he is some kind of Steve Jobs.
Takamura-San
Member
You played the game? Is it any good?
Brainiac 8
Member
To be fair, I didn't say that Bayo was a failure, per se....but it sure wasn't a success either.
The thing that makes me so sad is that Platinum is a great company with many talented people in it. They makes games that deserve much more in sales than what they get.
W101 having this bad of a debut is horrifically sad, but hopefully worldwide it ends up with a decent LTD.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
It will undoubtedly be there. The hype for JoJo is pretty insane.
Linkstrikesback
Member
The problem is, what we have coming is virtually indistinguishable from what has come before on 3DS.
NSLU is obviously indistinguishable from NSMBU, which itself was only 3 months after the 3DS game NSMB2.
Mario 3D world looks far too similar to 3D land. As does DKC.
Why would anyone buy a Wii U when they could get an equivilant title on 3ds for literally everything the Wii U has coming, for cheaper, and with a much larger library of other games?
Lord knows, I'm happy enough with my purchase now with Lego City (even then, this has a much more successful 3DS game...)/Pikmin 3/ Wonderful101 as games you can only get there, but that certainly isn't going to be how the public see it.
metalslimer
Member
I cant believe zombiu did better. Wiiu owners have literally it seems thrown the system in the closet
Snowden's Secret
Banned
My assumption was that the audience was more broad, more like "Wii U owners looking for quality exclusives to play" and not one of genre. Like, sure Nintendo makes a lot of platformers, but their stable of IPs is really really broad, so if you imagine a "Nintendo fan" then that is someone who likes a broad range of game styles. Thinking like that, I imagined the overlap of Pikmin and TW101 to be more than 2%.
That seems like the wrong interpretation considering Pikmin opened quite well just weeks ago.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Yeah, but overall I think the art style fits the audience, and like Captain Rainbow which was treated like a very niche production, I feel W101 could have fared batter with more support from Nintendo.
If W101 is a mismatch I can't even think what Bayo2 is then....
I would not get rid of Miyamoto I would just keep him working on his own projects and away from any business decisions and other projects that are not his.
I think the problem with talking only about Japan is that large companies with business presence worldwide do not make decisions due to a single region. Sometimes a single region might not even be enough to sustain a product on their own. Bayonetta definitely sold well for what it is in Japan, but did Sega enter into the publishing deal just for Japanese sales? Certainly not. Wasn't the entire partnership with Platinum first announced at a press event in Europe?
How quickly do you expect them to get a new system out? They are just going to have to ride out a low selling Wii U for this whole gen and piggyback off the 3DS.
DragonSworne
Banned
I have to wonder how big the wii U install base really is on japan. I don't think their is anywhere close to 1 million active owners.
Launch game
KennyLinder
Member
#22 in the UK charts, probably less sales than those in Japan.
Aquamarine
Member
There's a very real chance that Nintendo may be cancelling Bayonetta 2 if TW101's sales are this bad worldwide.
Of course, looking back, I really get the feeling they simply weren't ready to release the Wii U. And they should have held it until they were really ready. There's really no way they're going to get a 3DS revival with this system.
MoogleWizard
Member
Holy crap @ W101. 
I knew it was going to bomb, but this is insane. Platinum must be cursed, their games bomb so hard they have a negative effect on hardware sales. The games sells about 5000 copies and the console it's on drops by the same number...
Now I fear Bayonetta 2 might the last game in the franchise =(
I knew it was going to bomb, but this is insane. Platinum must be cursed, their games bomb so hard they have a negative effect on hardware sales. The games sells about 5000 copies and the console it's on drops by the same number...
Now I fear Bayonetta 2 might the last game in the franchise =(
Great analogy. By doing a boyish superhero game, they cut half of their potential buyers. For instance, female gamers are instantly left on the side. Another problem is that the game is simply too hectic, similar to bullet hell shooters which are reserved for a few "elite" gamers.
metalslimer
Member
Ugh.... i fear for it and fexsmt which now i think would be lucky to hit 150k
1st Course
Member
Ouch.
Remember when we thought 10k based on blog posts was bad? Merely over 5000, unbelievable.
Platinum Games really is cursed and with the cboat rumor about them working on an Xbox One exclusive, I can already see their next bomba (if it's not Bayonetta 2).
Was there any big Vita exclusive that bombed equally bad?
Platinum Games really is cursed and with the cboat rumor about them working on an Xbox One exclusive, I can already see their next bomba (if it's not Bayonetta 2).
Was there any big Vita exclusive that bombed equally bad?
SolarPowered
Member
You can't survive when you are already dead.
Still, I agree with you somewhat. They're gonna have to ride this one out and release a next next gen console that developers AND consumers actually want to use.
Takamura-San
Member
How could it not? Plat did better with Sega and Sega still dropped them.
I do think the art style (well, at least the color palette, maybe not so much the actual art design beyond that) reminds me of other Nintendo games so I'm at least somewhat with you on that point.
But yeah, Bayonetta has tons of gore and violence and involves doing things like putting half naked angel chick monsters in torture devices and whipping them sexually before killing them so it's about as far from "Nintendo" as I can possibly think.
No, I don't think so. Bayonetta was a million seller, after all, and a title which found an audience. And it's a 2014 title. Bayonetta 2 will be finished and will be shipped.
The real problem is what will happen after Bayonetta 2, after it'll have sold half of what the first did.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
There will be too much. Nintendo has a lot of money so they can afford loosing some money to get a few exclusives even if they won't sell.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
What would a new console actually solve? Even if a hypothetical Nintendo Next were an x86/AMD powerhouse with traditional control methods you still wouldn't get rid of the baggage Nintendo has accumulated over the past decade.
Save the games for the holidays and launch @ Yen equivalent of £199.99 Premium or £239.99 Premium with a game.
Miyamoto NEEDS to be moved back into game development. His conservative ways has no place on the Board where he affects company wide decisions.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I know, but since we are talking about Japan sales I wanted to note that, Bayo, unlike other PG titles or even W101, did well in Japan. I know that the game certainly did not do as well in Europe and America and that they probably thought in those markets when making the game, since the genre is more popular in the west than Japan, but I feel that when people says "Bayo was a bomb too" they forgot that the game actually did well in Japan.
I bought both. GAW was 2000¥ cheaper and i had more fun with it. Besides, theres Wario in the name...
Canis lupus
Member
The Wonderful 101.. so sad.
There is currently no interest in the WiiU and the WiiU fanbase had little interest in W101, the answer is simple as that.
.... Ok I'll bite, what does Miyamoto have anything to do with this situation?
Not very realistic. That's about as likely as Nintendo cancelling their entire WiiU lineup and shifting to a new platform for 2015.
I feel that's always going to be a big problem. Even with a powerful system I dont think they would get support. I love Nintendo but the Wii U has been pretty dissapointing :/
how about Bayonetta 2? can't believe all the WiiU fanbase cares about is more Mario/Zelda etc...
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I don't see anything in TW101 that counts as "traditional". It's a very unique concept.
metalslimer
Member
Right which is why something like fe x smt which had barely started development seems very likely canned if something doesnt change
Cancel a game this far in development? Are you fucking stupid?
This week is a good example of why talks of new hardware baselines after a small bump for a platform that is continuing to have a sparse software lineup is almost always premature.
What is out for Wii U in the next few weeks? Anything to keep it from going back down into the 5k range? What about Vita? That >10k margin isn't looking too great at this point.
What is out for Wii U in the next few weeks? Anything to keep it from going back down into the 5k range? What about Vita? That >10k margin isn't looking too great at this point.
No way man, people just can't appreciate new IPs!
(Pay no attention to The Last of Us behind the curtain).
Nothing wrong with that. Those Directs probably don't take that much of a time to do. Like I've said many times, the best thing for him to do is to replace his board. Nintendo needs to be run globally, not from NCL HQ only.
Nah, disagree - Bayonetta has way more sales potential than TW101 ever had; plus they are deep enough in development and it would draw a bad picture of them
Not happening at all
Or it gets moved to 3ds.