Aquamarine
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Well, there are two Vita revisions...the Vita TV (because of it's super-cheap price point) might help the Vita a good bit.
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Media Create Sales: Week 36, 2013 (Sep 02 - Sep 08)
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Well, there are two Vita revisions...the Vita TV (because of it's super-cheap price point) might help the Vita a good bit.
Oh! I meant Gamecube global numbers. Sorry, I should have mentioned, since this is a Japanese sales thread. Something about >20 millions.
silver.tongue
Member
I'm really sad for Puppeteer.
The game is great. It deserved better. =(
The game is great. It deserved better. =(
I'm not quite sure what Vita TV will do in handheld-country
I get the impression Japanese people avoid the TV more and more
Napalm_Frank
Member
RIP in peace Puppeteer ;-;
Gavin Moore to be working as an animator on Knack 2 confirmed as I predicted. No justice in the world
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Gavin Moore to be working as an animator on Knack 2 confirmed as I predicted. No justice in the world
.Exterminieren
Banned
We're talking about the 2000 launching two days before Pokémon, though.
I'm still unsure as to the effects of the Vita TV, FWIW
It's a liver blow/uppercut combinationOh crap, I forgot MH4 was due out soon.
The one/two punch of Pokémon and Monster Hunter is going to absolutely destroy the charts. Everything else be dead.
3DS just won't stop! It's set to set the charts ablaze when Pokemon is out. I wonder how Killzone will sell elsewhere considering Killzone Shadow Fall is a few months away.
It won't with that release date. It'll just be the Vita looking through that window as everyone is playing Pokemon and then Monster Hunter IV.
Brainiac 8
Member
I'm wondering how this'll do in the end.
I have no desire for a Vita, but the Vita TV interests me a lot. The price is right at my impulse buy territory and then I can just use it to download PSP games I never got to play.
It's probably my favorite thing they've done Vita-wise for me since it was announced.
gigantor21
Member
Looking at the crude Google Translated user reviews on Amazon, it looks like the low Jojo ratings are driven by something related to microtransactions. People are even calling it a scam outright.
Anyone able to read Japanese?
Anyone able to read Japanese?
Apophis2036
Banned
Thanks, the WiiU is around 26.000 Yen right ?. That could be extremely difficult to market to the Japanese now that they are obsessed with handhelds.
I hope Sony have some big name Japanese focused franchises ready for launch.
Napalm_Frank
Member
If PS4 fails to gain ground in Japan it makes Nintendos next homeconsole VERY interesting to see. They made Wii U with japanese design choises in mind and it bombed. If ''relatively cheap'' and powerful PS4 with western approach fails too where does that lead the home console market in Japan?
KillerMan91
Member
PS4 will be like PS3. Sequels to the same games = same audience bying the console. Starts slow but picks up later. Of course as the WiiU will never ever match Wii the home console market as a whole will decline by quite bit.
It's gone. It's all about smartphones and handhelds in Japan.
Cbajd5
Member
I don't, but it's related to the game's Campaign Mode.Looking at the crude Google Translated user reviews on Amazon, it looks like the low Jojo ratings are driven by something related to microtransactions. People are even calling it a scam outright.
Anyone able to read Japanese?
Basically you have a battery with 10 bars that refills one bar every 5 minutes while in Campaign Mode or every 20 minutes outside of it. You spend one bare for every fight you play, and there's bosses to beat that require multiple fights and/or using more bars of energy so they take more damage. There's also random events, some that use energy too.
This mode needs to be played to unlock alt costumes/colors/quotes/poses and the bosses hold most if them.
You can buy battery refills and consumable special items to find bosses more easily through the PSN.
They had the balls to put this in a retail game? Wow.
I really think tht PS4 will be the only console able to repeat its predecessor's HW LTD numbers
market is smaller, portable side is strong, economy is weaker
but
price is lower from the beginning
interest in PS3 increased (at least in terms of market share) in the past years
ps4 really seems the direct sequel to that kind of audience/lilneup (look at gundam, dinsaty warriors, yakuza, ff already announced)
interest in some kind of game seems to be back to the home market rather than portable (Tales of, KH...)
competitors are weaker (no Wii-fever this time around!)
Aquamarine
Member
It feels like the home console market doesn't "need" to exist in Japan anymore.
Most non-major Japanese publishers have switched to handheld titles...those are the ones selling. The most anticipated games in Japan are Monster Hunter 4 and Pokemon X / Y...both 3DS games.
Console games for the PS3 still very much exist, but there is no need (like there was no need back in 2007 for PS2) to suddenly jump platforms to the PS4.
The million dollar question is if Japan ever DOES make that leap. Unlike 2007, we have mobile and tablet gaming now to complement handhelds...and unlike 2007, graphical expectations for new console platforms keep rising...whereas handhelds / mobile games can accept any type of graphical prowess.
It's a very strange paradigm shift. I've spent a lot of time in Japan, and if the PS4 doesn't make any headway in Japan, I won't be sad or even bothered in the slightest. The market has shifted so much that I'm not yearning for Japanese console games anymore...I'm very happy playing games on my Android, PS3, 3DS and probably Vita as well. To me, that's perfectly adequate as the "8th gen." I don't have any desire for anything more flashy or complex.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Wow, that's incredible. So it's essentially a full price freemium game if I understood correctly. This sort of stuff is what's wrecking this industry, truly an unbelievable amount of greed.
I honestly thought I was still reading the Agito thread until I hit "PSN" and then did three doubletakes.
gigantor21
Member
Are you fucking serious? They used such blatant F2P tactics for the goddamn single-player campaign in a $60 RETAIL RELEASE? And they try to rope you into paying for that shit just to get new colors and quotes!?
That's just...barbaric. Now I see why they're so upset--I'd be pissed too. Thanks for clarifying.
1st Course
Member
Good point.
Code:
DS 2005-12-29 Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day Nintendo 5,060,499
DS 2005-05-19 Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day Nintendo 3,829,480
DS 2006-01-26 English Training: Have Fun Improving Your Skills Nintendo 2,203,669
DS 2005-04-21 Nintendogs (Labrador, Dachshund, Chihuahua) Nintendo 2,037,232
DS 2008-07-31 Rhythm Tengoku Gold Nintendo 1,869,103
DS 2006-10-26 General Knowledge Training (Kanshuu Nippon Joushikiryoku Kentei Kyoukai: Imasara Hito ni wa Kikenai Otona no Joushikiryoku Training DS) Nintendo 1,569,882
DS 2006-11-22 Oshare Majo Love & Berry - DS Collection Sega 1,039,669
DS 2006-07-20 Cooking Navi Nintendo 958,168
DS 2007-05-31 Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day Nintendo 945,791
DS 2008-10-23 Wagamama Fashion: Girls Mode Nintendo 891,076
DS 2007-03-29 Eigo ga Nigate na Otona no DS Training: Motto Eigo Duke Nintendo 753,107
DS 2006-09-28 Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Kounin: Kanken DS Rocket Company 621,885
DS 2008-03-13 Beautiful Letter Training Nintendo 579,462
DS 2006-11-09 Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Koushiki Soft: 200 Mannin no KanKen: Tokoton Kanji Nou IE Institute 571,715
DS 2006-12-07 Kenkou Ouen Recipe 1000: DS Kondate Zenshuu Nintendo 431,003These casual/educational games were some of the best selling games on the DS, and so far the 3DS doesn't really have anything quite like them. The only games that sells on the 3DS are core games.
On the other hand you've also got
- No backwards compatitability
- No new optical format to drive it
- Rise of smart phones
- Handhelds are closer substitutes than ever before
- Not launching during a holiday
- A lot of big franchises seem to be westernising
- A large amount of games are cross generational
- PS Brand is a lot weaker than it was at the launch of PS3 (the PSP and PS2 were on the market, now it's the PS3 and Vita.)
I honestly still see the Wii U winning Japan. Worldwide is obviously a completely different story, but the Japanese console market is dead IMO.
Angel Whispers
Member
Nice try with the troll post. I never post in these threads, because I find them unbearable, but I'll address this. Iwata said that he expected the 3DS to lead Nintendo's drive in 2013. The Wii U can expect to have better and sustained momentum by the end of 2014; At this point, one could say that they are restarting its engine, and later on, it would shift through its gears. Although announced, the official price cut hasn't come into play (it will do later in the month), while certain titles aren't out for it yet. It is surely common sense to wait for it, if you're considering one at this time, and it isn't unthinkable that once these things happen, the numbers will improve a little. The games are coming, too, and that is what will help the most. It hasn't played all of its cards yet. One could single out the Vita, too, and I will, but not in fanboyish spirit - In that case, new models were announced; It isn't unthinkable that people are also waiting for these. In both cases, perhaps the same will be true Worldwide.
Furthermore, IIRC, Pikmin is a series which typically does better outside of Japan, and there are some promising signs. It contributed in more ways then some would care to recognise - In my neck of the woods, we saw Disney Infinity and Splinter Cell chart at #1 and #3 in the Wii U charts, while Rayman Legends is selling better on the Wii U. So, here, you can see a case of software selling hardware, THEN other parties starting to benefit more from it. The Wii U doesn't need 'saving' - this is extremely premature, rotten, fanboyish trolling, and NeoGAF would do well to stop thinking of this in terms of "Which game will help?". That has NEVER been Nintendo's aim, and few people, especially in this climate, would buy a new console for just the one game. They said themselves that they'll try to build a library of games. Still, to claim Doom is to be completely ignorant of their 'Evergreen' approach, an approach adopted by them a lot more since the Wii and DS era. 'Industry analysts' are being dumb and horribly short-sighted with their Doom Narrative. It's tiresome and pathetic, ESPECIALLY when they are seemingly unaware of this. The Wii U will be around for quite a while; it is better to come back when the 9th Generation consoles launch, and after all of its cards have been played. I feel that this is the most reasonable position.
Pikmin 3 alone won't sustain momentum. It is more appropriate to look at it in terms of "How many games are there which I want to play?" - So, by the time LOZ: Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Sonic Lost World, Mario & Sonic At The Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games, Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, then in 2014, Bayonetta 2, X, Smash Bros. and Mario Kart 8, people will see that it has a great library. Also, they might see Disney Infinity, Rayman Legends, Assassin's Creed 4, COD: Ghosts, Batman: Arkham Origins, Watch_Dogs, Just Dance 2014, and, of course, New Super Mario Bros. U (an important Evergreen title), or bite when unannounced titles are announced. Clearly, that post is an example of trolling, or one that doesn't know what 'momentum' is, or both - 'Momentum' usually starts slowly, then builds to a steady pace, or a crescendo; it isn't "hitting the ground running". Even in the event that one "hits the ground running", the 'runner' had to build up to that point.
AdventureRacing
Member
What did the wii U do to target the Japanese market? It's underpowered, over-priced, has poor brand recognition and has one of the most barren software line-ups we have ever seen at this point in a generation.
The wii U was made with nothing in mind and it is rightfully bombing everywhere. It's success or lack thereof really doesn't tell us all that much.
I made Cbajd5's post a separate thread to decry this awfulness: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=675221
That just sounds like PR excuse for SE. The game already had a failed launch once and it certainly can not fail again publicly. How would people have good reception of the game if they can't even login and play the game?
That's a really high bar for console in Japan right now.
michaelius
Banned
After seeing that I'm now really happy about the size of drop.
Well there is Run for Money although it's a licensed game.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I understood things like off TV play, low power consumption, small console and in some ways the low graphical power are all choises that are made with japanese design choise in mind.
I don't mean that it is some perfect console for japanese tastes tho. I agree the Wii U ''plan'' is a complete disaster and Nintendo so far has no idea what to do with it and honestly I dunno if anyone does.
BlazingDarkness
Member
I wonder if XIV will see a boost in sales once they let people buy it again, or whether the throttle killed all momentum.
GetemMa
Member
Nintendo's next piece of HW should serve as both a home console and a handheld.
A mini tablet that has real controls that slide out and an HDMI out.
That way their software teams could all concentrate on 1 device.
My only fear would be that they would try to do this themselves and the hardware would suck.
Nintendo is under the impression that sleek, somewhat pricey HW puts off casuals when the opposite is true. Nobody wants the plasticy WiiU gamepad and it isn't even cheap, it just looks cheap. (I own WiiU, spare me)
A mini tablet that has real controls that slide out and an HDMI out.
That way their software teams could all concentrate on 1 device.
My only fear would be that they would try to do this themselves and the hardware would suck.
Nintendo is under the impression that sleek, somewhat pricey HW puts off casuals when the opposite is true. Nobody wants the plasticy WiiU gamepad and it isn't even cheap, it just looks cheap. (I own WiiU, spare me)
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
This is a whole lot of words to counter a post that took ten seconds to write.
Also, while we're all understandably hype about next week's numbers, isn't it a bit of a stretch to call this week's 3DS sales godlike?
Don't want to argue with your points, but those will lead into a console leader for the home market even weaker than the previous.
But the previious was the Wii, that is now at 12.7 millions sold (more or less), while I was saying that probably PS4 will be able to repeat PS3 numbers, that are now at 9.5 millions
So, basically I think that PS4 will be able to repeat PS3 numbers, but that means that the home market leader will be even weaker than this (Wii) generation
About the bolded part...no.
Seriously. Wii U (and I have one, I like Nintenod games, and I like the Gamepad, so please note that I'm not trolling at all) must fight to survive (to not be discountinued too early, to not be a too big financial loss for the company, to repeat - AT BEST - the GC HW Ltd numbers and so on)
Canis lupus
Member
The Wii U itself was another blue ocean attempt and it failed, releasing a few apps that make creative use of the gamepad won't change its fate because the appeal for the base product isn't there. The console doesn't have its Nintendogs or Wii Sports and I doubt it will ever have, its hope lies within sequels of previous blue ocean products(fitness, party games) and Mario games.
Dr. Randy Marsh
Member
Sony why didn't you give all the heads big eyebrows in the Japanese version of Puppeteer???
Glass Rebel
Member
I will get a brain aneurysm if I see another mention of the Nintendo hybrid.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I think they will do something similar to Vita TV rather than a tablet console or whatever crazy like that. IF the hybrid approach happens at all that is.
I do think they will do another home console and depending on that they ditch the market or do another Wii craze.
Magicpaint
Member
Oh so it's not only me.
But really, I've gone at length a few times before, and I think the hybrid idea is possibly the worst possible way to react to their current ordeals. It is downright suicidal and I'm surprised many people are suggesting it.