Could the Vita audience really have dipped? What if they just have GEB on it and don't want to buy it again? The game is new to the PS4, but due to backwards compatibility, Vita owners could play GEB, which is almost the same game as GER.
Media Create Sales: Week 42, 2015 (Oct 12 - Oct 18)
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Could the Vita audience really have dipped? What if they just have GEB on it and don't want to buy it again? The game is new to the PS4, but due to backwards compatibility, Vita owners could play GEB, which is almost the same game as GER.
Rebuy what? Both version of offshot games (PS4/PSV) are bundled with anime BDs. And the content is not part of the main game either.
I wrote ~1500 words about Sega's evolution over the course the last generation through to today if anyone's interested: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=182904675&postcount=360
Only about half of it is relevant to Japan, but I thought I'd link it here in case someone was curious.
Only about half of it is relevant to Japan, but I thought I'd link it here in case someone was curious.
Not really. Nintendo's scenario for NX wouldn't matter what platform is bought out of the form factors of NX since most, if not all, software would be ubiquitous. They could have *dedicated software* to a form factor for various reasons, but not really much incentive to attempt to force an audience transition ala Vita -> PS4.
For those who bought GEB for PSP there was a migration program (UMD passport) that was offered for free for certain period (around the launch of GE2), so audience with Vita should have migrated to digital version of GEB already. I'm not so sure how many people would double dip.
It really is weird the conclusions some people are trying to draw based on a remaster. 180k for a remaster would be anything but a failure.
I do get the impression the anime was less popular then they hoped however.
Kresnik258
Member
Time to grab the reading glasses and a mug of hot chocolate. Cheers, Niro.
kuroneko0509
Member
Rebuy the '1st' GE. And thanks for answering my original question of whether off shots requires the GE:R or not, considering there's several volumes of that thing.
Pennywise83
Banned
Of course GE: Resurrection will sell way less than 2 or 2: Rage Burst; this is to be expected: it's not a new mainline game. It's not a remaster either, though: the game will include a new combat mode, a new story to connect the two entries; all weapon types that were recently introduced with 2. Graphically, something has been redone as well. It's really a remake, even if it's releasing only a few years later the original game.
Eolz
Member
test_account
XP-39C²
True, but i was thinking more about several SKUs not giving any positive effect sale wise, and if having a console version is taking sales away from a portable system. If all NX software is ubiquitous, as you mention, i think this would face the same senario. Its basically multiplatform, but its just one SKU that can be bought instead. Or do you think that having one SKU that can be played of several of system will have any different (either positive or negative) effect compared to having two SKUs for two different systems?
How are PS4 versions being pushed more in Japan compared to the Vita version by the way?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Rages at unannounced games for an unannounced platform. That's some seriously forced mental gymnastic if I've ever seen one, lol
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think there was any rage in his post. We also know that NX is well on its way, so i guess thats why he was expecting to see more support announcement by now. That is uncommon however, so i wouldnt expect to see much talk about support before the official unveiling, but its not really much of a mental gymanstic, in my opinion.
The games that have been announced for the NX had their announcements backpedaled, so I think it's safe to assume you're not supposed to say anything yet.
Rakuten Books Ranking Week 43, 2015.
01./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes
02./00. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1!
03./01. [3DS] 7th Dragon III Code: VFD
04./02. [WiiU] Splatoon
05./04. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer
06./10. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team
07./05. [3DS] Picross 3D 2
08./09. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad
09./03. [WiiU] Super Mario Maker
10./00. [PSV] Flowers
01./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes
02./00. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1!
03./01. [3DS] 7th Dragon III Code: VFD
04./02. [WiiU] Splatoon
05./04. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer
06./10. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team
07./05. [3DS] Picross 3D 2
08./09. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad
09./03. [WiiU] Super Mario Maker
10./00. [PSV] Flowers
michaelius
Banned
It's also Japan - every transition to new generation has been painfully slow there in last few years
Wii-> Wii U
DS->3DS
PSP>Vita
PS3>PS4
Considering most CEOs there seem to be as elastic as 20 year old concreate I don't see any reason why NX would get more luck.
They will want to see a proof of sales potential first before commiting any significant resources.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, support wont really be announced before the unveiling and then through out the months up to NX's release. I hope for a reveal in January or Februrary, and then a release in late 2016.
That is true. Although i'm curious to how the transition will be if all (or almost all) NX games would work on both a console and a handheld. Maybe that will change things a bit regarding how publishers are delegating support to different platforms.
Moor-Angol
Banned
a 5 years old enhanced port already given free last year is selling less than a brand new game
breaking news at eleven
breaking news at eleven
Can't wait until eleven.
- [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Triforce Heroes: 95pts
- [3DS] PriPara Aim! Idol ☆ Grand Prix No.1! - 39pts
- [3DS] 7th Dragon III: Code VFD - 33pts
- [WIU] Splatoon - 26pts
- [WIU] Super Mario Maker - 20pts
- [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition - 15pts
- [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer - 15pts
- [3DS] Picross 3D 2 - 12pts
- [3DS] Yokai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team: 11pts
- [PS4] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (Limited Edition) - 9pts
- [PS3] Minecraft - 9pts
- [PS3] Winning Eleven 2016 - 9pts
- [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King - 9pts
- [3DS] Yokai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad - 9pts
- [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V (Bargain Edition) - 8pts
- [3DS] Chibi Robo Zip Lash! - 8pts
- [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu (Limited Edition) - 6pts
- [PS4] FIFA 16 - 6pts
- [3DS] Monster Hunter: Poka Poka Airou Village DX - 6pts
Well, I think both the Rakuten Books charts and the COMG! charts are a little bit biased toward this game. If you see the Media Create numbers of this week for the game, they are not high at all.
test_account
XP-39C²
Picross sold about 266k and Picross 3D sold about 169k (both DS games, Famitsu numbers). There is also a 3DS game, but i think that only exist as a download version.
Hero of Legend
Member
I've collected the pre-order charts from comgnet since Oct 3rd, I missed the 6th though, but yeah, I got lots of numbers if any are curious and will still collect them daily. 
For example, Monster Hunter Cross:
Oct 3rd - 1198pt
Oct 25th - 1585pt
Kancolle on Vita is not looking so hot; it's lost numbers over the past while, in both editions (just a couple of points but it's still a loss).
Edit: Technically each are up and down, the higher number went down a bit then went back up a couple, but the smaller one (the LD one?) went down on the 22nd from 91 to 90.
You get the idea.
For example, Monster Hunter Cross:
Oct 3rd - 1198pt
Oct 25th - 1585pt
Kancolle on Vita is not looking so hot; it's lost numbers over the past while, in both editions (just a couple of points but it's still a loss).
Edit: Technically each are up and down, the higher number went down a bit then went back up a couple, but the smaller one (the LD one?) went down on the 22nd from 91 to 90.
You get the idea.
There's multiple(6?) 3DS Picross games from Jupiter.
That's what I said in the second line of the post you quoted
Yeah, I just wanted to reassure that point.
Kinda missed that sentence while I was reading.
To me the pressure is primarily on God Eater 3 to prove the franchise out as something beyond your typical middling Bandai Namco effort, but given Bandai Namco's history, I'm not really expecting much beyond a regular 350-550K performance even before seeing the game.
They're just not a very ambitious publisher and their series suffer over time for it. They make so many they don't seem to care though.
They're just not a very ambitious publisher and their series suffer over time for it. They make so many they don't seem to care though.
Moor-Angol
Banned
CoD: Black Ops 3 - 77pt
Star Wars Battlefront - 38pt
Fallout 4 - 30pt
Niigata prefecture clearly joined the Dark Side...
Star Wars Battlefront - 38pt
Fallout 4 - 30pt
Niigata prefecture clearly joined the Dark Side...
Tsutaya's Ranking Week 43 2015
01./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes <ADV> (Nintendo)
02./00. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1! <ACT> (Takara Tomy)
03./01. [3DS] 7th Dragon III Code: VFD <RPG> (Sega)
04./02. [PS3] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
05./05. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
06./03. [WIU] Super Mario Maker <ETC> (Nintendo)
07./09. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad <ACT> (Level 5)
08./10. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Mojang AB)
09./07. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
09./11. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team <ACT> (Level 5)
11./08. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Nintendo)
12./12. [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King <RPG> (Square Enix)
13./04. [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu <RPG> (Nihon Falcom)
14./15. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer <ETC> (Nintendo)
15./18. [3DS] Picross 3D 2 <PZL> (Nintendo)
16./24. [3DS] Famista Returns <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games)
17./14. [PS4] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain <ADV> (Konami)
18./13. [PS4] Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment)
19./22. [PSV] Utawareru Mono: Itsuwari no Kamen <RPG> (Aqua Plus)
20./19. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain <ADV> (Konami)
01./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes <ADV> (Nintendo)
02./00. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1! <ACT> (Takara Tomy)
03./01. [3DS] 7th Dragon III Code: VFD <RPG> (Sega)
04./02. [PS3] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
05./05. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
06./03. [WIU] Super Mario Maker <ETC> (Nintendo)
07./09. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad <ACT> (Level 5)
08./10. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Mojang AB)
09./07. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
09./11. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team <ACT> (Level 5)
11./08. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Nintendo)
12./12. [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King <RPG> (Square Enix)
13./04. [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu <RPG> (Nihon Falcom)
14./15. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer <ETC> (Nintendo)
15./18. [3DS] Picross 3D 2 <PZL> (Nintendo)
16./24. [3DS] Famista Returns <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games)
17./14. [PS4] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain <ADV> (Konami)
18./13. [PS4] Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment)
19./22. [PSV] Utawareru Mono: Itsuwari no Kamen <RPG> (Aqua Plus)
20./19. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain <ADV> (Konami)
I would say that this is because Super Mario Maker bundles aren't included on either chart (Tautaya either).
I wouldn't expect Splatoon over SMM until the new bundle releases.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Despite the bomba-pessimistic reports from the weekend, Zelda steadily holds the top spot, while PriPara is a serious candidate to become the surprise of 2015 winter holiday.
7th Dragons keep seeling well, another hit for 3DS, Youkai Watch over minecraft shows the 3DS power over the poor vita, Mystery Dungeon just lost 3 positions, good legs, and DQ7 incredibily holds the same position, one million mark is just around the corner at this rate!
ACHHD and Picross didn't lost momentum, same as Famista Returns which clearly indicates that 3DS is the system when games must be published.
good week indeed !!!
Video games seldom get shot for shot remakes. They're clearly reusing most of the animation and environmental assets from the PSP release. The base game has had some redone textures and character models, but that is really stretching the definition of what a remake is.
Shift most likely ported the first game's assets into their GE2 engine (since it's on PSV/PS4) and worked from there. That's why you've got all the weapons from those two games.
Well, at least on Rakuten it is included as a different SKU. Yeah, and as you said wouldn't expect Splatoon being higher.
Btw, I was answering the question related to Picross 3D 2, game that charted higher than it really sells.
Pennywise83
Banned
Uh? The term remake doesn't necessarily imply a great graphical leap, especially here where the average PSV game isn't much, much more technically advanced. Resurrection will have much more contents than the original game and has been remade by Shift (you also said that character models have been redone). I don't even see your point about why there are new weapons...? Those are contents not present in the original release, and they should add appeal to the game.
GE2 is a brand new game but GE2:RB is not.
It's not luck. PS4 didn't get most of third parties on board because of luck. They commit to platforms if there are incentives to do so. Nintendo must create them and I must say that Japanese third parties will be the easier to convince, given how DS and 3DS have been the most successful platforms for third parties in Japan on average.
BishopLamont
Banned
third party support for nx wont be a problem in japan, the real test is western third parties
really hope decent performance and userbase is sufficient enough for multiplatform support at the very least
welcome back
really hope decent performance and userbase is sufficient enough for multiplatform support at the very least
sarcastic and bitter
welcome back
BishopLamont
Banned
ea will follow suit if the sales are decent for the yearly iterations like sports games
real AAA games though is another story
His point is that Resurrection is mostly Shift throwing assets and content from GE2/GE2RB into the first God Eater, and that doesn't make it a proper remake.
Now considering remasters (or even ports not 100% identical) often get called remakes I guess GE:R could be one, but they aren't "remaking" much.
Pennywise83
Banned
Well, marketing-wise, Bandai Namco is selling the game more as a remake than a remaster, though - as a new and improved version of the 2010 game.
Sammy Samusu
Member
that's the definition of remaster.
BishopLamont
Banned
wonder what he'll do when vita is discontinued
dont think ps4 will have enough material for him to stay sane
1st Course
Member
Who here can read Japanese? (Koei results through Apr-Sep 2015)
https://www.koeitecmo.co.jp/php/pdf/news_20151026.pdf
https://www.koeitecmo.co.jp/php/pdf/news_20151026.pdf
Moor-Angol
Banned
you have to get used cause i'll keep that for at least 2 years (and pray that vita won't last as long as PSP did
)A good read, thanks.