I wonder how Namco convinced retailers to order over 750k copies...
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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2011 (Dec 12 - Dec 18)
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I wonder how Namco convinced retailers to order over 750k copies...
Let's not jump to conclusions here. Tales may be growing, but this is a sequel to a game that is known to not be all that great. Final Fantasy is lucky in a way, in that each entry is a chance for them to do something completely different and win new (or win back) buyers.
The next mainline FF entry will likely be wounded by XIII, but it will be fine.
It's a race between Level 5 and Final Fantasy to see which will die first.
Another interesting thing related to the FF brand is that S-E is supposedly releasing FFX next year and it most likely will be only an HD port. I was expecting big things for the game (~1M between both versions) but after seeing the performance of MGS HD and how badly the FF brand has been tanking, I don't know if it will sell even 500k
test_account
XP-39C²
That is news to me, about 750k shipment.
EDIT: I found an article about it now:
http://andriasang.com/comyul
Was the game only sold in Japan, or was it sold in other asian countries as well?
It could be a good indicator of whether the issue is Final Fantasy 13, or Final Fantasy in general.
Yeah I think we might indeed be looking at the Japanese industry showing that they are "sick" of buying certain things on a overly regular basis without major changes. Re-releases, ports, and quick sequels don't seem to work for every franchise these days, and even for franchises it used to work for, it can change (HI LEVEL-5!).
electroplankton
Banned
This will depend on the degree of porting FFX will be; they could remake the graphics and present it in a cool manner so to attract a lot of people.
No.
Brands that so far doesn't seem to have made Japanese audience sick of re-releases, ports, and things like these
Dragon Quest ( but Terry's Wonderland will be a new test for this, since the last DQ remake has been released just in January 2010 )
Monster Hunter ( absolutely... if we exclude the Poka Poka Airu sequel )
Super Mario? (if we think about it, 3D Land is the next main 3D Mario, and it has been released after just one year and a half after Galaxy 2. But the main cause of this is that Mario games are quality games and, above all, pretty different between each other... )
Musou games, I believe, despite DW Next bad result, since those damn rehashes of SW3 and DW7 sold good recently.
Then?
Kurosaki Ichigo
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1 195532 jeremy1456 142,24% FINALFANTASYDOG
2 228994 electroplankton 143,74% Gianny Merryman
3 253756 LOCK 148,29% frankie_baby
4 255070 Gianny Merryman 154,81% LOCK
5 257890 FINALFANTASYDOG 173,06% noobie
6 293824 frankie_baby 180,31% electroplankton
7 299894 Kenka 194,27% Mpl90
8 316410 noobie 194,96% Kurosaki Ichigo
9 329868 kwaoghana 206,07% Road
10 353871 lunchwithyuzo 211,53% jeremy1456
11 375442 Truth101 229,24% Kenka
12 391206 Mpl90 249,91% Yeshua
13 398204 Kurosaki Ichigo 250,28% matmanx1
14 418028 starship 253,47% starship
15 419338 baekshi 278,79% BurntPork
16 436695 Road 279,09% lunchwithyuzo
17 449938 matmanx1 298,34% Orgen
18 468556 BurntPork 313,10% baekshi
19 478486 zomgbbqftw 317,64% Truth101
20 511962 Yeshua 327,25% kwaoghana
21 522932 Chris1964 332,12% KuwabaraTheMan
22 539756 Orgen 345,08% Slime
23 540538 waicol 350,63% Chris1964
24 547586 Fularu 390,74% Alrus
25 564458 Alrus 402,85% zomgbbqftw
26 640756 KuwabaraTheMan 431,85% waicol
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28 667656 Slime 518,50% ULTROS!
29 889420 Spiegel 621,60% Spiegel
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1 83952 electroplankton 48,19% frankie_baby
2 113334 frankie_baby 49,09% Kenka
3 117852 Kenka 51,03% electroplankton
4 126666 jeremy1456 62,40% Gianny Merryman
5 141666 Gianny Merryman 63,82% LOCK
6 144096 noobie 67,56% noobie
7 157714 LOCK 67,80% lunchwithyuzo
8 197096 kwaoghana 85,08% jeremy1456
9 209651 lunchwithyuzo 85,21% FINALFANTASYDOG
10 221486 FINALFANTASYDOG 88,22% BurntPork
11 264149 Mpl90 90,10% baekshi
12 277952 Truth101 91,78% ULTROS!
13 297096 Fularu 93,80% Fularu
14 312714 starship 98,37% kwaoghana
15 315714 waicol 115,74% Slime
16 316232 BurntPork 121,88% Yeshua
17 321074 baekshi 124,46% waicol
18 325714 Kurosaki Ichigo 125,08% KuwabaraTheMan
19 341714 zomgbbqftw 125,51% Kurosaki Ichigo
20 343096 Yeshua 125,83% matmanx1
21 354205 Road 126,43% Truth101
22 373614 matmanx1 134,50% Road
23 428852 ULTROS! 144,91% Orgen
24 432714 Orgen 151,10% Mpl90
25 439698 Chris1964 155,49% starship
26 463096 Spiegel 171,95% zomgbbqftw
27 468358 Alrus 187,32% Spiegel
28 475714 KuwabaraTheMan 199,12% Alrus
29 483614 Slime 209,11% Chris1964
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2 68866 jeremy1456 57,03% FINALFANTASYDOG
3 72490 Kurosaki Ichigo 69,45% Kurosaki Ichigo
4 76324 matmanx1 71,58% Road
5 82490 Road 81,34% Gianny Merryman
6 83234 Chris1964 90,99% LOCK
7 96042 LOCK 97,98% starship
8 96100 Alrus 100,10% frankie_baby
9 97490 Truth101 105,51% noobie
10 98264 baekshi 124,45% matmanx1
11 105314 starship 126,45% jeremy1456
12 107042 Orgen 128,03% Yeshua
13 113404 Gianny Merryman 129,28% electroplankton
14 127057 Mpl90 141,53% Chris1964
15 132772 kwaoghana 153,43% Orgen
16 136772 zomgbbqftw 180,15% Kenka
17 144220 lunchwithyuzo 190,58% BurntPork
18 145042 electroplankton 191,21% Truth101
19 152324 BurntPork 191,62% Alrus
20 165042 KuwabaraTheMan 207,04% KuwabaraTheMan
21 168866 Yeshua 211,28% lunchwithyuzo
22 172314 noobie 223,00% baekshi
23 180490 frankie_baby 228,89% kwaoghana
24 182042 Kenka 229,34% Slime
25 184042 Slime 230,89% zomgbbqftw
26 224824 waicol 307,39% waicol
27 238042 ULTROS! 406,81% Fularu
28 250490 Fularu 426,72% ULTROS!
29 426324 Spiegel 434,28% Spiegel
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11/28-12/04 Predictions Results
11/21-11/27 Predictions Results
Prediction League Results 2009-2010
I'm curious about those numbers but I guess we're unlikely to ever know? Those could still add 5 - 10% of sales, right? Or would even that be highly optimistic?
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
They wouldn't even be a statistical blip at this point.
electroplankton
Banned
Wow, great results indeed!
It's the second time in a very short time that I got a high position
I think it's pretty arrogant of Hino to think he's Jay-Z and that he can just move onto the next one.
It's an assumption either way. Japan doesn't seem to be big in the digital download space. But it's pointless to speculate and it's going to increasingly be a reason people on one side use to justify a game's sales looking better than the numbers.
test_account
XP-39C²
Do we know that for sure? The memory cards seemed to have been selling quite well, and not just the 4GB ones (which is more than enough for saves only). I'm not expecting huge PS Store sales in Japan for Vita games, but i think that the "lol, Japan and digital downloads" thing might become more a thing of the past.
You also need a memory card to play certain games, so I don't think you can say that's indicative of an intention to purchase games digitally or not.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Yay! First time I've made number predictions in a long while. Actually... it might be the first.
FateBreaker
Member
Hopefully this makes Wada replace Toriyama with Kitase or Ito. Or, anyone. I'd say, at this rate, Versus is seriously, really the last chance for maintaining the name and sales of the series. If Versus is disappointing, then I think the damage is going to be deep.
As everyone notes, XIII Versus should seriously be renamed XV. XIII name is not going to help. I have faith in Nomura...he has a better track record than Toriyama in my book. Plus, isn't Nojima actually writing the script for this one, unlike XIII+XIII-2, in which Toriyama and some others wrote but Nojima only did the scenario...or something?
As everyone notes, XIII Versus should seriously be renamed XV. XIII name is not going to help. I have faith in Nomura...he has a better track record than Toriyama in my book. Plus, isn't Nojima actually writing the script for this one, unlike XIII+XIII-2, in which Toriyama and some others wrote but Nojima only did the scenario...or something?
RyougaSaotome
Member
The X HD remake is going to be a great indicator I think. Japan LOVES X, and if we see it sell poorly, that'll be pretty reflective of a change in Japanese buyers I think.
frankie_baby
Member
I didn't do too bad, shouldn't have low balled vita though, but I really didn't think they'd ship so many
Ahahahaha
test_account
XP-39C²
It is still just for saving purposes as far as i know, so a 4GB card would still be enough, yet the higher capacity cards were selling well from what i have read. But regardless of the memorycard sales for Vita, i still think that digital downloads is becoming more popular and accepted in Japan. It is all speculations and anecdotal until we get solid numbers though.
FateBreaker
Member
someone please remind me: is the upcoming X a remake or just an HD-cleaned port?
The latter, so far as we know.
TheNatural
My Member!
So Vita launched and couldn't beat the 3DS? Yeah, no more comment about things changing this gen plz.
Musou games have declined A LOT from their full sales potential. They used to sell over a million. Now they get by with 300-500k per game. I don't think we can really include results of games which have declined substantially simply because they still sell decently. Otherwise we could include Tales up there too, for selling 200k every entry even if its total dogshit.
Ryu ga Gotoku is a series which has retained its userbase even with yearly releases. The series expanded pretty significantly from the first to the second game due to word of mouth, and it seems to have managed to largely keep the 500k fans or so happy until now.
I can't think of a lot of other series these days.
It's on PS3 and Vita. It just well may.
SRW pretty much stays the same despite always having at least 1 release every year. Although each game does have different sales stats, the main games have never bombed.
Hmm... FFXI will probably outlast FFXIV dude, game is still going.
Going by Famitsu data (which we have in more abundance than MC's) there are many Mario, Pokemon, Monster and Dragon Quest games above 200k in their 3rd weeks.
How to see: You can download Chris' database linked in the OP and easily filter the "week" column in Excel (clicking on the little square) to compare all 3rd weeks.
Yeah, no. Time to get back to reality.
airmangataosenai
Member
I realize I made a gag about FF being below Tales now but seriously guys, it's not as dire as you're making it out to be. Type-0 alone shows that the actual FF brand is about the same as always as the game sold on-par with any of the past PSP FF title. When it comes time for FFXV should they decide to not go the route of renaming Versus, XV should be a "Return to form" title, a completely traditional throw-back game with all the wrinkles of the old titles, random battles and all. This sort of nostalgia kick has proven to work wonders this gen with titles like Mortal Kombat, Mario Bros., and so on despite years of being told that people have moved on from 2d fighters/2d platformers. People like nostalgia, if Square embraces it they'd do well.
At the same time I'm hoping Square doesn't COMPLETELY abandon XIII's gameplay style. They messed up in making the tutorials take forever but the actual style of combat in that game was a blast.
At the same time I'm hoping Square doesn't COMPLETELY abandon XIII's gameplay style. They messed up in making the tutorials take forever but the actual style of combat in that game was a blast.
