Razgriz-Specter
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Would have been beyond hyped if Hayter was in.
now I just wait and see.
now I just wait and see.
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Metal Gear Solid V announced (PS360, open world)
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Callibretto
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I doubt you'll get GTA style open world where you got mission marker on the map to start the mission.
I imagine it'll be like your typical infiltration mission in mgs where you're starting from outside the building you're sneaking into, the difference is, from there, you have total freedom of how you want to approach it, take a noisy helicopter, or grab a car, or just walk, approach from front door, or look around for back door etc.
in previous mgs, the approach you took is very linear or limited, for example in mgs 1 intro hangar, you could only got into the building from air vent in 1st floor, or 2nd floor. that's it. in mgsv, you'll probably have much more option, may not even need to come from the hangar at all or something like that
keltickennedy
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Yes...I cannot freaking wait for E3!!
I want to believe....but the last game in the franchise went off the tracks for me. I loved MGS3 to death, it felt Kojima had been reined in somewhat....but he came back in over drive with fourth with all sorts of nuttiness that bugs me about the franchise these days. Plus that ending, oh so painful in so many ways.
But I still want to believe....why do you hurt me so Kojima.
But I still want to believe....why do you hurt me so Kojima.
FlashbladeGAF
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Did i miss the PS3 and 360 logo...
If the game runs anywhere close to what it did during the presentation then wow KojiPro wizards.... wow
If the game runs anywhere close to what it did during the presentation then wow KojiPro wizards.... wow
Except you can't dream of someone you've never met #psych101
Graphics Horse
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Hm, well their PC demonstration is set to the settings they're hoping to use on consoles, but that doesn't mean the framerate will hold up so good on the real thing.
While the Metal Gear story is confusing in general, I'm guessing the central point of your confusion is that you're thinking the games are in chronological order. They're not. At this point, I would argue there are two MGS series: the one that takes place in 1960s and 1970s, and the one that takes place much closer to the present day.
1, 2, and 4 comprise the present-day series. 3, Peace Walker, and 5 (this game) comprise the '60s/'70s series. There's also the original two 2D Metal Gear games, which occur during the middle of the two MGS series. (There's other MG games as well, but they're not canon.)
thisisnotdanny
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I just came here to say I'm happy to see this thread being king of the hill. 
synce
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http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/2...r-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games/
All bets are off now...
$40 MGS:GZ
$60 MGS5
$20 MGO3
vs
$60 MGS4
All bets are off now...
$40 MGS:GZ
$60 MGS5
$20 MGO3
vs
$60 MGS4
NEOPARADIGM
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SnakeLinkSonic
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Oh---what the hell. *throws up hands and leaves the room*
I should be doing hw
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Sure you can, they just wouldn't be a real person. I think I missed the part where people were saying this person is an existing character though?
staticneuron
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Portable ops is canon. It is the direct sequel to MGS3.
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_Portable_Ops
Just caught the MGS5 announcement. The trailer demonstrated that technological progression of character animation exponentially improves the visual quality of a game over focusing on the mechanical aspects such as lighting/textures/shadows. Goddamn did that trailer look incredible.
So happy to see a "real" MGS game again. MGS4 may not have been perfect or universally well-received, but I still enjoyed it thoroughly. Yeah, even the bizarre story. From the looks of MGS5's trailer and the little bits of knowledge we have of the game design, I feel like it'll be an even better experience than its predecessor. I berieve in yuu Kojima-san.
tl;dr HYPE GETTTTTT
So happy to see a "real" MGS game again. MGS4 may not have been perfect or universally well-received, but I still enjoyed it thoroughly. Yeah, even the bizarre story. From the looks of MGS5's trailer and the little bits of knowledge we have of the game design, I feel like it'll be an even better experience than its predecessor. I berieve in yuu Kojima-san.
tl;dr HYPE GETTTTTT
GillianSeed79
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Trailer and gameplay footage looked great, but I think there's no way this isn't a cross-gen title. The game footage was being shown on PC. I sincerely doubt the prologue stuff we saw would be possible on the 360 or PS3. Maybe PS3, but I don't think the IQ will look that good on the PS3 version.
Also, I don't believe for a second that Snake has "woken up" from a coma after nine years. It's Kojima we're talking about. Does anyone believe for a second that, at least the prologue, is actually him coming out of the coma? They could do a whole game of wackiness and then reveal at the end that Snake was in the coma the whole time.
I also think Kojima is going troll us again and the MGSV part past the prologue will be completely different from what we've seen. I mean, everyone remembers the tanker prologue in MGS2 right?
I kind of find it hard to keep track of the Metal Gear mythos, but we know that Big Boss was in a coma after the events of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and his body in MGS4 was rebuilt using parts from Solidus right? Then again, at some point, they have to use Big Boss to create Solid and Liquid Snake. My guess is, at least the Phantom Pain part, is either during the part where Big Boss is in a coma and they are doing frankenstein stuff to him to rebuild him with parts from Solidus or he's in a coma during the Les Enfants Terrible part of the Metal Gear timeline, since that has never been explained in detail.
I could see the whole game taking place in Big Boss's subconcious, since that would give free reign, unfortunately, for KojiPro to go batshit crazy, but I also believe in the odd number MGS games being more grounded. How awesome would it be if, after the prologue, it switched to a young Solid Snake and it told the events prior to/leading up to/during Metal Gear 1?
There's got to be a meaning to the Ishmael character, who could be symbolism for the birth of Solid Snake or Liquid Snake. Ishmael was Abraham's first son according to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Whether he's meant to symbolize Solid or Liquid is the question. I'd lean more to Liquid, honestly, considering the backstory of Ishmael and that of Liquid, since both were kind of bastard children in a sense. In the Bible, Issac is seen as the favored son and Ishmael and his mother are pretty much banished. In the games, much like Issac, Solid is seen as the favored character, whereas Liquid, despite being genetically surperior and being born first, is cast as an outcast and villian.
Oh well, trying to guess what Kojima will do is pointless, since he always surprises. I just hope the game is good.
Also, I don't believe for a second that Snake has "woken up" from a coma after nine years. It's Kojima we're talking about. Does anyone believe for a second that, at least the prologue, is actually him coming out of the coma? They could do a whole game of wackiness and then reveal at the end that Snake was in the coma the whole time.
I also think Kojima is going troll us again and the MGSV part past the prologue will be completely different from what we've seen. I mean, everyone remembers the tanker prologue in MGS2 right?
I kind of find it hard to keep track of the Metal Gear mythos, but we know that Big Boss was in a coma after the events of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and his body in MGS4 was rebuilt using parts from Solidus right? Then again, at some point, they have to use Big Boss to create Solid and Liquid Snake. My guess is, at least the Phantom Pain part, is either during the part where Big Boss is in a coma and they are doing frankenstein stuff to him to rebuild him with parts from Solidus or he's in a coma during the Les Enfants Terrible part of the Metal Gear timeline, since that has never been explained in detail.
I could see the whole game taking place in Big Boss's subconcious, since that would give free reign, unfortunately, for KojiPro to go batshit crazy, but I also believe in the odd number MGS games being more grounded. How awesome would it be if, after the prologue, it switched to a young Solid Snake and it told the events prior to/leading up to/during Metal Gear 1?
There's got to be a meaning to the Ishmael character, who could be symbolism for the birth of Solid Snake or Liquid Snake. Ishmael was Abraham's first son according to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Whether he's meant to symbolize Solid or Liquid is the question. I'd lean more to Liquid, honestly, considering the backstory of Ishmael and that of Liquid, since both were kind of bastard children in a sense. In the Bible, Issac is seen as the favored son and Ishmael and his mother are pretty much banished. In the games, much like Issac, Solid is seen as the favored character, whereas Liquid, despite being genetically surperior and being born first, is cast as an outcast and villian.
Oh well, trying to guess what Kojima will do is pointless, since he always surprises. I just hope the game is good.
childplease
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I fail to understand why the pc version isn't simultaneously announced .
Are they afraid the graphical fidelity of the pc version will hurt sales on current and next gen consoles ?
Are they afraid the graphical fidelity of the pc version will hurt sales on current and next gen consoles ?
â Narayan
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Ace trailer. I really like the music used in this one.
IrishNinja
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garbage song was great for this - assuming it's been discussed, but if some of you are assuming young/solid snake shows by the end, wouldn't that make it important to give big boss a different voice entirely? keifer could be more enjoyable than the guy who voiced boss in 4, anyway.
I should be doing hw
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I dunno, that footage looked pretty shitty in terms of IQ. Jaggies and crappy shadowing everywhere. I'd believe that was running on current gen hardware; the environments where extremely small and anything that looked to be marginally intensive was scripted.
They haven't announced any next gen console versions either, so just wait and see.
EatChildren
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Hypothetically, MGS5 is set to show up at either Microsoft or Sony's E3 conference, demonstrating next-gen visual capabilities of FOX Engine on their hardware. If this were the case, Microsoft/Sony probably wouldn't want a high end PC version being shown to the public, only to have that then retread with no improvements at their conference.
If a PC version exists I suspect it will be announced once the next gen versions are out of the way.
childplease
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Les Enfants Terribles has already happened, though.
Somnium986
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They took his DNA, during his coma as a fail safe in case he died. They cloned him because he was too big an asset to lose. This was explained in MGS1 I believe.
Hrm, really? What time did it happen then? Was he in another coma before this? Might be remembering wrong, my knowledge of the series is a bit rusty.
MiamiWesker
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I have watched every trailer for every MGS game and there are still tons and tons of surprises. Hell we didnt even know anything about almost all of MGS2. MGS4's trailers hardly showed anything of the last half of the game.
Anyway I just like seeing the cast of crazy bosses. Thats when it begins to really feel like MGS.
EatChildren
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I'm also not sure if this could tie into the first Metal Gear, for those hoping for Solid Snake cameos. Child Solid Snake, sure. There's a 21 year gap between Peace Walker and Metal Gear. Les Enfants Terribles started in 1972, before Peace Walker. Given how Ground Zeroes start, with Paz's survival, it can't be long after Peace Walker. So we'll say one year, add nine for the coma, and you're ~1984 for Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain. Snake and Liquid would be ~12 years old at this point.
IrishNinja
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but but but how is the ending of V gonna lead directly into MG 1 then?! dammit, i thought that idea was brilliant, too
matrix-cat
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Here's what I think is going on:
- Original GZ trailer suggests that GZ takes place very soon after the end of Peace Walker (Miller talks about Cipher (Zero's operation) having picked up Paz from the Caribbean 'ten days ago', so it can't be more than a couple of weeks). PW was set in 1974, but it's possible the secret ending takes place a few months later so we could be in 1975)
- The man with the scars is running Camp Omega, pretty much a Guantanamo analogue (US prison camp on the southern tip of Cuba). He has Paz, and has also managed to capture Chico, presumably to lure Big Boss out of Mother Base
- BB takes the bait and flies out from Mother Base to rescue Chico and Paz. At the same time, Scarface and his men disguise themselves and their helicopters (removing XOF logos), and fly off to attack Mother Base. Miller mentions that Mother Base is expecting an inspection from a UN team, so I assume this is who Scarface and his men are posing as
- BB infiltrates Camp Omega, in what I'm assuming is the Virtuous Mission/Tanker chapter of MGSV. No idea what happens, but the next time we see him he's battered and bloody, riding away in a helicopter to find Mother Base burning down and exploding. Presumably he gets injured while trying to save his people, and he and Miller are flown to a hospital
- Once at the hospital, Big Boss falls into a coma, and then The Phantom Pain begins. BB's woken up by 'Ishmael' (the safe money's on Ishmael being a figment of BB's imagination), and gets terrorized by nightmarish hallucinations that we're all assuming are caused by a young Psycho Mantis. A nine year coma would put TPP in 1983/84ish, and to put that into Metal Gear perspective Big Boss would be pushing 50, Mantis would be about thirteen, the Snake twins would be elevenish and Ocelot would be about forty
- BB escapes the hospital (this we see in the original Phantom Pain trailer), not before seeing hallucinations of Volgin, a giant fire whale, and possibly himself with devil horns. He's rescued by someone who is almost definitely Ocelot. Red gloves, cowboy boots and spurs, long grey hair, hints of a moustache. I think he's still wearing the red scarf from the Ocelot unit
- The final shot of the trailer seems much later in the time line, after BB has regained his muscle mass, bought a new Triumph and had a Galvez-ish red robot hand fitted. He's grown a stylish forehead horn (which you can actually see hints of under his bandages when he wakes from the coma), and he's been listening to Bowie and named his posse the Diamond Dogs.
I still can't work out who the third person in the ICU is (the one whose perspective we see that scene from, when Miller looks directly at the camera and says "what about him?"), and I have no idea what the horn signifies.
- Original GZ trailer suggests that GZ takes place very soon after the end of Peace Walker (Miller talks about Cipher (Zero's operation) having picked up Paz from the Caribbean 'ten days ago', so it can't be more than a couple of weeks). PW was set in 1974, but it's possible the secret ending takes place a few months later so we could be in 1975)
- The man with the scars is running Camp Omega, pretty much a Guantanamo analogue (US prison camp on the southern tip of Cuba). He has Paz, and has also managed to capture Chico, presumably to lure Big Boss out of Mother Base
- BB takes the bait and flies out from Mother Base to rescue Chico and Paz. At the same time, Scarface and his men disguise themselves and their helicopters (removing XOF logos), and fly off to attack Mother Base. Miller mentions that Mother Base is expecting an inspection from a UN team, so I assume this is who Scarface and his men are posing as
- BB infiltrates Camp Omega, in what I'm assuming is the Virtuous Mission/Tanker chapter of MGSV. No idea what happens, but the next time we see him he's battered and bloody, riding away in a helicopter to find Mother Base burning down and exploding. Presumably he gets injured while trying to save his people, and he and Miller are flown to a hospital
- Once at the hospital, Big Boss falls into a coma, and then The Phantom Pain begins. BB's woken up by 'Ishmael' (the safe money's on Ishmael being a figment of BB's imagination), and gets terrorized by nightmarish hallucinations that we're all assuming are caused by a young Psycho Mantis. A nine year coma would put TPP in 1983/84ish, and to put that into Metal Gear perspective Big Boss would be pushing 50, Mantis would be about thirteen, the Snake twins would be elevenish and Ocelot would be about forty
- BB escapes the hospital (this we see in the original Phantom Pain trailer), not before seeing hallucinations of Volgin, a giant fire whale, and possibly himself with devil horns. He's rescued by someone who is almost definitely Ocelot. Red gloves, cowboy boots and spurs, long grey hair, hints of a moustache. I think he's still wearing the red scarf from the Ocelot unit
- The final shot of the trailer seems much later in the time line, after BB has regained his muscle mass, bought a new Triumph and had a Galvez-ish red robot hand fitted. He's grown a stylish forehead horn (which you can actually see hints of under his bandages when he wakes from the coma), and he's been listening to Bowie and named his posse the Diamond Dogs.
I still can't work out who the third person in the ICU is (the one whose perspective we see that scene from, when Miller looks directly at the camera and says "what about him?"), and I have no idea what the horn signifies.
IrishNinja
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those are the cyborg bits that you expose when killing him in MG2
also: spoilers back there
Come on
Did Kojima kill your pet?Perhaps it's because I'm not from the US and I haven't heard this song that much (never heard it actually), but I thought it was a nice song for the trailer.
As for the Morricone song, I thought it was great.. never thought it was pretentious though... :/
Somnium986
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MAX PAYMENT
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Wait a second. How the hell do you aim an assault rifle right-handed while being blind in your right eye?
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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All on the money.
IrishNinja
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they don't call him big BOSS for nothin'
The project started around 1972 I believe, if my memory serves me right...and supposedly his coma in TPP is around 1975.
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/1970s
MGS3 is the best of the series. I love Big Boss.
No need to question a man that has the code name Big Boss.
my thoughts exactly! Well done sir
MAX PAYMENT
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I think the hallucinations are caused by flooded, disjointed memories from waking up from a 9 year coma. I don't think he has a horn. I think it's shrapnel or something.
Hmmm but it seems too crude. It doesn't look cyborg at all. Unless its a piece of metal from the ambulance accident.
Edit: I'm playing through PW and I feel empathetic towards the destruction of Mother Base and the soldiers. All hard work put into Mother Base is gonna be for nothing. Poor MSF
matrix-cat
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It doesn't seem to be there when he's brought into the hospital in the Ground Zeroes section. His face is bloodied, but there's no shrapnel sticking out of his forehead. When he wakes up in the Phantom Pain section, you can see a protuberance under his bandages on the right side of his forehead. Later, in his Diamond Dogs getup, he has a full grown rocky horn growing out of his head.
I don't know if he grew it while he was in a coma or what, but I think it's more than just shrapnel.
wonderful post, thank you !
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It's very weird regardless of what it is. And actually, isn't it weird that his head would be bandaged 9 YEARS LATER? Is the bandage only for the horn? If so, could be recent? Maybe it's because he thinks he's a monster, so his body grew a horn under the power of suggestion from his mind? PHANTOM PAIN??