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Metal Gear Solid V announced (PS360, open world)

charsace said:
Is there a thread to talk about the fox engine and the research Kojima and his team has done? I'm more interested in that than talking about MGS5. What they have done is amazing. The game looks like its from another generation even though it was made for current gen.
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After seeing the trailer, it's definitly current gen. The gameplay footage in trailer is way worse than the gameplay walkthrough. There is aliasing and shimmering going on like you'd expect it from a current gen game. The demo footage is just way too clean to be current gen.
 
In the gameplay video, there's a part where you can see Ishmael's medical bracelets and they have writing on them. Would be interested to see a zoomed in screenshot of that. DetectiveGAF do your magic!
 
Hamlet Machine said:
But somehow I have the feeling that we do not play as the real Big Boss...
The guy with the missing arm, with Big Boss' face, has no scar shaped as a snake on his chest.
Kojima, wouldn't ignore this important detail, as the scar is also present in Peace Walker.
(http://www.playscope.com/Wskins/ski...2screens/thephantompain_vga12screens_0012.jpg)
(Peace Walker : http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XB4S4qn-cAA/mqdefault.jpg)
Maybe I'm stretching this a bit and the scar is there but maybe that's why we only see him most of the time from the back or crawling.
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Have you played Peace Walker?

That's not a scar
 
About the "horn", maybe it's shrapnel or a bullet to the head and doctors can't remove it,
and during the 9 years bone matter developes around it, just like with those crazy head modifications. Or maybe not..
 
ShadowKingpin said:
I'm getting a huge Gray Fox vibe from this. Didn't Fox get his ears and nose cut off or something? That would justify why he stood by Big Boss's side for those 9 years and the face bandage. Also, what if Gray Fox's injury happened as a result of the battle at Mother Base and is why Kaz is asking if Fox is ok?
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True. There's also decoy octopus, a character we know very little about. Wiki:


The following information has been detailed in official Konami-licensed media, which were written by various external authors. Its status in the Metal Gear canon is therefore unconfirmed.[?]
Born in Mexico, Decoy Octopus later moved to Hollywood and became a successful actor and SFX artist.[2][3] Afterwards, he was recruited by the CIA for his exceptional skills in mimicry, where he was assigned to impersonate government VIPs on top secret missions, and requested that the military to give him a full mental deprogramming after missions to avoid becoming mentally confused about his identity.[2] He later left the CIA to join the FOXHOUND unit.

Octopus was fluent in a dozen languages.[3] At least some of these languages were French, German, Spanish, and Ebonics.[3][2] At some point in his life, he had his hairline, cheekbones, jaw, and nasal bones shaved down, and cut off his ears to make disguising himself easier, and had computerized implants which allowed for him to change his voice.[2]
 
Why are people making a big deal out of the V thing? In Peace Walker Big Boss was also called Vic Boss. There was also that one guy who liked making the peace sign with his fingers, but actually meant it as "V for Victory", which was later imitated by Galvez, who had a red robot hand... Now we cut to Vic Boss on a motorcycle sporting a shiny red "V for Victory" hand of his own, while a voice says "V has come to"

IDK but everything beats me over the head with V being yet another nick/code name for Big Boss (AKA Snake Eater, AKA Naked Snake, AKA John, AKA Jack, AKA Basilisco).
 
Posted by Kojima via Twitter:

Hideo Kojima said:
The first of the hospital scene, it gives you a control tutorial in some sense as Snake gradually becoming to move his body. After the scene I demonstrated at session, he will be able to walk. I want you to experiment the process who had just woke up from comma.
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Hamlet Machine said:
Yes, I think there's definitely a third person with them. Even the way the camera moves during this scene makes me think that we are seeing it from the eyes of the third person.
Maybe Chico they rescued ? Or someone else.
The bandaged guy can be Chico (or that guy they rescued), since nine years have passed, he probably grew...

But somehow I have the feeling that we do not play as the real Big Boss...
The guy with the missing arm, with Big Boss' face, has no scar shaped as a snake on his chest.
Kojima, wouldn't ignore this important detail, as the scar is also present in Peace Walker.
(http://www.playscope.com/Wskins/ski...2screens/thephantompain_vga12screens_0012.jpg)
(Peace Walker : http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XB4S4qn-cAA/mqdefault.jpg)
Maybe I'm stretching this a bit and the scar is there but maybe that's why we only see him most of the time from the back or crawling.

Ishmael is Big Boss, maybe trying to hide or escape something, by switching identity.
hence making the other one, the phantom.
The phantom pain making reference to the pain of losing his arm and the pain of being someone else.
I'm thinking a kind of Kagemusha story.
Two phantoms are born : the real big boss who by hiding becomes a ghost and the decoy who's big boss' shadow/phantom.

Ishmael :
The name has come to symbolize orphans, exiles, and social outcasts[28] — in the opening paragraph of Moby-Dick, Ishmael tells the reader that he has turned to the sea out of a feeling of alienation from human society. In the last line of the book, Ishmael also refers to himself symbolically as an orphan, which maintains the Biblical connection and emphasizes the representation of outcasts.

Big boss being the outcast.

And, I don't think the kid (Mantis ?) is fucking with Snake, but maybe helping him escape, as the whale attacks the helicopter, which probably is bringing reinforcements for whoever is attacking the hospital, hence creating a diversion for Snake to escape. Plus who seems to be Ocelot helps him.
Plus, maybe, all these hallucinations about Volgin, the burning Raikov, etc... Is mantis fucking with the fake big boss head to make him believe he really is Big Boss.
The petals and everything is part of Big Boss' memory after all.
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You do know that scars fade away over time? It's pretty safe to say that his scar faded over a 9-year period.
 
Why do you guys call the bandages guy name ishmael?
is there something i misheard on the trailer? Where does it said the name of the guy?
 
Fox still had a normal face by the time MG2 happened, though.

Gray_Fox_%28MG2%29.gif
 
Apparently I need to watch the Phantom Pain trailer again. I never got the vibe that Ishmael -was- Big Boss. All of the comparisons thoroughly confuse me. The man woke up from a 9 year coma, and there's potentially some psychic people running around, and likely some people out to get him. Ishmael just seemed like another patient in the hospital to me.

I also really hope they wouldn't change Big Boss' voice to someone other than Richard Doyle.


I'm really pumped to see what happens in this game, though. I hope it leads straight into Metal Gear, if not includes some of Metal Gear within the game. I'd be okay with a Metal Gear Solid 6 that remakes Metal Gear as well. It would really bring the whole "Solid Snake is always being used" full circle. It's been crazy to me to realize how Big Boss is a good guy for the most part and you were always fighting for lies in MGS1 and 2.
 
eso76 said:
come on guys, the reason why Hayter is not voicing BB is quite simple.

That is not Big Boss, but someone who thinks/is dreaming/is pretending to be BB.

Has the whole joakim / kojima stunt has taught you nothing ? ?


(regardless, you are not really complaining you're getting Sutherland instead of Hayter, right ???)
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Then why is the Japanese voice actor still the same?
 
rvy said:
kojima_drunk.jpg


This is how the party ended for Kojima.
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This was actually taken at the Metal Gear Solid 4 First Draft Kojima Production Development Team collaboration. Turns out much of the plot was created at the bottom of a shot glass.
 
I'm probably wrong about the scar (forgot about Peace Walker, and yes, I played the game, but that's not important) and that wasn't a good point. Yes, sometimes scars tend to disapear with time, somestimes, not always. Depends on the scar.
But,
Even if without the scar thing, the rest does make sens, at least to me.
 
Sub_Level said:
This was actually taken at the Metal Gear Solid 4 First Draft Kojima Production Development Team collaboration. Turns out much of the plot was created at the bottom of a shot glass.
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This would have shocked me had I not played MGS 4. Since I did, you're probably right.
 
Mit- said:
It's been crazy to me to realize how Big Boss is a good guy for the most part and you were always fighting for lies in MGS1 and 2.
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I don't know if BB could be considered a good guy in MG1 and MG2. He's more like an extremely empathetic villain. His extremist ideology about "the perfect world for soldiers" is not a good thing. After playing through MGS3 and PW, and I am going to assume especially after MGS5, we are able to understand, sympathize with, and empathize with his motives, but that doesn't justify them.
 
Nibel said:
Added this to the OP so that everything is clear

The Phantom Pain And Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes Are Two Separate Games
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This is going to cause so much confusion.

Metal Gear Solid V is one package. It sounds like it will be one game, but reps are probably confused and saying all types of contradictory shit.

If this is two games then so is Metal Gear Solid 2?

However, I suppose if "The Phantom Pain" opens up with a tutorial, it wouldn't make too much sense if it took place after Ground Zeroes. You probably wouldn't need a tutorial at that point. Although you wouldn't need a tutorial even if you played Ground Zeroes in a separate package, either.

I feel like they're just calling it a tutorial to dodge complaints about that portion of the game not being "open-world," despite them shouting open-world from the top of every mountain they can when referring to MGSV.
 
ShadowKingpin said:
You do know that scars fade away over time? It's pretty safe to say that his scar faded over a 9-year period.
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Tell that to my surgery scar, 10 years later and it's still very much visible. Or the scar I got on my chin from when I fell and busted my jaw, that was almost 20 years ago.

Scars can fade with time, but they rarely completely vanish.
 
Sn4ke_911 said:
Trust me, he does. (from the newest EDGE interview)
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the harsh lighting make him look older, just like Bigboss in 1st ground zeroes trailer, under normal lighting like that Sony party pic, he looks like 30...

edit: are we sure Konami isn't secretly cloning Kojima and replacing him with new clone every few years to keep him always young. or maybe Kojima is actually a snatcher.
 
BadWolf said:
Still think the Two Phantoms refers to Big Boss and Zero.



Yeah, someone like that would be difficult to replace, unlike Hayter.
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I don't buy that, Hayter has all the seniority in this side of the pond as well, if the change of voice would have to be fundamental to the plot Kojima would have replaced Otsuka as well.
 
SolVanderlyn said:
I don't know if BB could be considered a good guy in MG1 and MG2. He's more like an extremely empathetic villain. His extremist ideology about "the perfect world for soldiers" is not a good thing. After playing through MGS3 and PW, and I am going to assume especially after MGS5, we are able to understand, sympathize with, and empathize with his motives, but that doesn't justify them.
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That's true, he did say he would be a hired gun regardless of who hires them, but wasn't his ideology what eventually came to light? PMCs? Was it really a bad thing?

Didn't he split from Zero when he discovered his more evil intentions with the Patriots? And my memory is very foggy on this, but wasn't Zero behind using Solid Snake and Raiden to halt attempts to defy the Patriots? It just seems like Big Boss was often made out to be a villain when it wasn't really him behind the scenes, or the intel wasn't actually representative of his true motives.
 
OK the blatant inconsistencies or "Retcons" are finally starting to bother me. It was one thing to Retcon the MG1 & MG2, but that was a different era of gaming all together. The MGS series being all in the era of cinematic 3D gaming though, makes me frustrated with Kojima's inability to keep his damn story straight. I mean we've come full circle in the series now, and so much of it just doesn't line up anymore... even with how things were explained in MGS4... C'mon! You just got done explaining TONS of shit in MGS4 and you're already pissing on that.
 
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but...

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Ocelot render. It's so cool to see him in between his young and old look.
 
The Omega Man said:
I don't buy that, Hayter has all the seniority in this side of the pond as well, if the change of voice would have to be fundamental to the plot Kojima would have replaced Otsuka as well.
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Something to note about Japanese VAs though is that they often play multiple people even in similar roles. For example, the VA for Goku (Masako Nozawa) played him as a child, as a teenager, and as an adult. He also played Goku's son Gohan as a child, teenager, and adult, Goten in the same stages, etc etc etc.

It's not beyond any stretch of the imagination that the same VA for Solid Snake/Big Boss would also play any BB clones/doppelgangers.
 
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