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[Amir0x]

Here is another good read on the subject of Moore: Unfairenheit 9/11.

Here's a quote from Roger Ebert, a profound leftist who fervently believes Bush stole the 2001 election:

"Michael Moore makes very, very entertaining and effective films, but I think it’s pretty clear that they’re not neccessarily the place you go TO GET THE FACTS”.

Roger himself said he felt deceived and genuinely angry after reviewing the facts about the issues Michael Moore presented after he gave Bowling for Columbine a four star review.

As always come to your own conclusions but I don't feel it's really a debate at this point.

 

[Folder]

Here is another good read on the subject of Moore: Unfairenheit 9/11.

Here's a quote from Roger Ebert, a profound leftist who fervently believes Bush stole the 2001 election:



Roger himself said he felt deceived and genuinely angry after reviewing the facts about the issues Michael Moore presented after he gave Bowling for Columbine a four star review.

As always come to your own conclusions but I don't feel it's really a debate at this point.

I think Moore's reportage style simply addresses the ballance.
There is a propaganda machine at work the world has never seen right now. At least when Moore does go off target, it's done with the human being in mind, rather than the dollar bill...

 

[Amir0x]

I think Moore's reportage style simply addresses the ballance.

Addresses the "ballance"? I'm not quite sure I see where you're going with this.

There is a propaganda machine at work the world has never seen right now.

Indeed. Such a propaganda machine is not helped by any propaganda, be it from left or be it from right. Michael Moore is, in many ways, a propagandist. Clearly his transgressions are not as severe but this is still not something we should accept.

At least when Moore does go off target, it's done with the human being in mind, rather than the dollar bill...

You're trying to soften the blow but it's not something we should be dancing around. When Moore "goes off target", as you put it, what he is really doing is actively trying to deceive his viewing audience. When he purposefully edits newspaper articles to have new dates because they don't correspond with his timeline of events - that's called active deception. When he edits a speech by a particular gun advocate to make it seem significantly more cold and dispondant - that's called active deception.

And although we can certainly debate what Moore's motivations are, it's irrelevant. Lies and deception, no matter the motivation, are wrong.

 

[Catchpenny]

It's people like you that make me cheer for EA. I was laughing my ass off when they killed NFL2K just because of all the whiny SEGA fans this board has harbored since the dawn of time.

IAWTP. Madden was better than NFL2K anyway, and who really needs more than one officially licensed NFL game a year? VC can go make CFL Football or Friday Night Lights or Ooga Booga: Rock Chucking. It's the same thing, only without your favorite laundry and the names of your big burly heroes. Is that so bad?

Really, some of EA's business practices suck but the EA detractors blow it so out of proportion.

 

[Kobold]

While I understand your perspective, one thing that is never acceptable is deception. And as much as I dislike the Bush administration and policies on gun advocation in this country there is no doubt that Michael Moore consistently distorts truths in order to guide the viewer to his ultimate point. Although the following source I will give you is clearly right wing, it's a great read because despite my political differences it does what Moore doesn't - state the facts of the issue. Bowling for Columbine. Fahrenheit 9/11. Stupid White Men.

If there's one thing Moore is... it's that he's an extremely talented editor. The man can magically turn anything on its head and use it to his advantage; like a masterful composer forming one of many life works.

However, just because he is talented doesn't mean we must accept it when he uses those talents wrongfully. And clearly he has done this to manipulate the less perceptive Americans out there.



I don't wish him dead, but I do in fact hope that his films become unsuccessful until he learns how to stick to the truth when defending his viewpoints.



As cynical as I am about things, it's more than a little extreme-liberal to assume that everyone who is in power is somehow corrupt. Yes, an argument can made that most are. An argument can be made that power corrupts. An argument can also be made that we haven't had a single corrupt-less president since the country was founded. But to say that everyone with power is going to be "evil" (a term so black and white, by the way, that's it's not even worth using here -- we should view the world with more shades of gray) is a bit naive.

And I don't know that we need anything, much less Revolution.



I do not think this is the type of discussion that would occur when someone was "applying" for the job of CEO.

Even though you can't just apply for that type of job.

I agree, although in my impatience for a world of equality, I think a revolution is in order. But in a time of propaganda, sadly the effective 'grey' way is the Moore way. Hence I applaud this gray, thought hardly the method to end it all, its a start.

There is a nice saying, The sky gets even darker before the storm clears. One day the Iron Fist of the strong thats so egocentrically rules the world and steers it according to their wishes of power will find itself. How can people breeded to live in a western artificial paradise of profit not one day awake to see their masters for what they are. Sure I'm ultra-dramatic, I guess it's a flaw of mine, but I have this strong aversion for injustice, and I see it being done. Everyone deserves a world fit to live in, not just the strong. We must rise from the gray area of animalistic instincts, combined with manipulative human consiousness, to take our rightful place in the galaxy as a peacefull and compassionate race of beings, that understands that the individual good and happiness can possibly be attained by caring for the totallity of the universe.

But I agree, in this time and age it can be done if everyone believes, but it's hardly to be expected, plus it's hardly the only way to live the future I'm sure. Gray is the way of nature I guess. But sadly the poor suffer unneeded because we are not limited to these instincts that rule us yet, but have a higher consiousness!

Anyways, I hope that you understand that although I think there is people who form a certain evil in this world, I believe gladly they can actually understand what they are doing when they open their eyes as well. Are we now not all but a tool of another's gain? In most corporate eyes, we are. More people = more moolah = more power.

But yeah I'm sure i'm plenty wrong, but I believe I'm compassionate enough, and limited my consumerism as much as I can, (obvious weakness for video games, offering altenate realities) and love to help other people. Guess whatever you believe that matters some, we'll get there eventually, no stopping the (r)evolution.