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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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Naz93

Neo Member
Buying second hand copies is as bad as piracy from a developers perspective , because the developers don't get any money from them.

Edit - what a joke people laugh at it. It's true.
Pirating increases the copies in circulation, so the devs are not rightfully paid for the amount of their product that is now circulating. Second hand only one person will be in possession of the game, someone had to initially buy the game which means the devs were paid exactly for the one copy.
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I know you bitches that pretend to be pc gamers did not game on pc in the 90s. We true pc gamers don’t like ms for trying to shove GFWL on us. Pc gamers don’t hate Sony like y’all make it out to be.
I remember gfwl. I can't play RF Guerilla, gta 4 and a bunch of other games because they shut down the service.

Add to that how dreadful it was to update, and how many times that shit was bugged as well.

Gfwl was bad, but Microsoft has shown since then that they want to focus on pc equally as xbox imo

Also, who is "yall"? Who says pc gamers hate Sony?
Why are we taking in absolutes here?
Pirating increases the copies in circulation, so the devs are not rightfully paid for the amount of their product that is now circulating. Second hand only one person will be in possession of the game, someone had to initially buy the game which means the devs were paid exactly for the one copy.
Whatever makes you justify your purchase that the developers got nothing out of.
 

Pelta88

Member
Buying second hand copies is as bad as piracy from a developers perspective , because the developers don't get any money from them.

Edit - what a joke people laugh at it. It's true.

You do realize that this happens with every single physical (and increasingly digital) product, right?
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
Fucking hell lads, just been sent another slide that Microsoft were considering using. Can’t believe how low they’re willing to go.

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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The developers did get something out of it? I'm not the one who is trying to justify exponentially ripping them off.
No matter if 1, 2 or 50 buys the game, the developers only got money for one.

Some cracker needed to get the game from a legal source and distribute it, which means equally, he or someone had to pay for his copy.
 

Naz93

Neo Member
No matter if 1, 2 or 50 buys the game, the developers only got money for one.
Some cracker needed to get the game from a legal source and distribute it, which means equally, he or someone had to pay for his copy.
The developer sold one copy, so one person is going to be in possession at any time. The person can sell their copy and will probably use the money to buy another game; This supports the industry as you keep the dollars circulating to the top. The cracker distributing the game is inflating the market and is essentially giving everyone the product for free.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The developer sold one copy, so one person is going to be in possession at any time. The person can sell their copy and will probably use the money to buy another game; This supports the industry as you keep the dollars circulating to the top. The cracker distributing the game is inflating the market and is essentially giving everyone the product for free.
We're never gonna agree, because I focus on wanting to support the devs, whereas you don't really give a shit if they get your money or not with your purchase.
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
We're never gonna agree, because I focus on wanting to support the devs, whereas you don't really give a shit if they get your money or not with your purchase.

Everyone who buys secondhand is robbing the developer? That's your stance? Let's see where else we can apply this:

Used cars
Clothes
Appliances

Basically your stance is that poor people are a cancer who shouldn't own anything since they can't afford to by stuff brand new. Shove off. The ideology you're spewing is retarded.
 

Naz93

Neo Member
We're never gonna agree, because I focus on wanting to support the devs, whereas you don't really give a shit if they get your money or not with your purchase.

The fact you keep doubling down is funny, because you clearly don't understand the difference between pirating and second hand.
I guess we should be burning down our homes after we're done with them because the developers are not getting a cut from the resale. I have gamepass and still buy most games day 1. Do you buy your games day 1? Or do you play everything off of game pass and wait for sales? because if it's mostly the latter you’re not supporting the devs either since they get a higher ROI from day 1 sales.
 

sainraja

Member
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This is just getting silly now. The deal need to close now so we can all be saved from cringe
That wouldn't be so cringeworthy if he was being genuine. It is only being said and highlighted like that due to what is going on right now, but if they stand by that even after the acquisition, with their **newly acquired** games (likely not), then you have to give them props! When this whole thing started, I thought that was the direction they were pushing for, but the longer this goes on, the fuzzier that is...well it was fuzzier since the conflicting messaging...

Game Pass is definitely a disruptive move by MS and they seem to be fully behind it, but they could have taken it further by putting their games on any platform that could play them and I think, the game pass conversation would have gone a lot easier too.
 
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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
That wouldn't be so cringeworthy if he was being genuine. It is only being said and highlighted like that due to what is going on right now, but if they stand by that even after the acquisition, with their games (likely not), then you have to give them props! When this whole thing started, I thought that was the direction they were pushing for, but the longer this goes on, the fuzzier it is getting.

Game Pass is definitely a disruptive move by MS and they seem to be fully behind it, but they could have taken it further by putting their games on any platform that could play them and I think, the game pass conversation would have gone a lot easier too.
I mean, they have treated Minecraft like that since day 1. From day 1 they said they view Call of Duty like Minecraft. They acquired Minecraft a long time ago.
 

sainraja

Member
I mean, they have treated Minecraft like that since day 1. From day 1 they said they view Call of Duty like Minecraft. They acquired Minecraft a long time ago.
I may not remember this well, but when that was first announced, it was a condition by the creators of Minecraft, but even if it wasn't, what I was getting at was that they will be selective. It won't be for every title, and in a sense, I get that too but in my opinion, that would have been a bolder move by them to do it for every title. It would be even more disruptive than Game Pass itself.

I also think the deal would have been done already if that was the position they had started from.
 
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gothmog

Gold Member
That wouldn't be so cringeworthy if he was being genuine. It is only being said and highlighted like that due to what is going on right now, but if they stand by that even after the acquisition, with their **newly acquired** games (likely not), then you have to give them props! When this whole thing started, I thought that was the direction they were pushing for, but the longer this goes on, the fuzzier that is...well it was fuzzier since the conflicting messaging...

Game Pass is definitely a disruptive move by MS and they seem to be fully behind it, but they could have taken it further by putting their games on any platform that could play them and I think, the game pass conversation would have gone a lot easier too.
I don't think streaming is working the way they would need it to in order to be truly disruptive. So this is probably some kind of mix of all of their contingency plans.
 

sainraja

Member
I don't think streaming is working the way they would need it to in order to be truly disruptive. So this is probably some kind of mix of all of their contingency plans.
Personally, I am hoping streaming does not take off for any of them lol. I am fine with it as an option, and hopefully it will stay that way. Anyway, what I was outlining is basically, where I thought they were going, but it's not as clear to me anymore what their plan is outside of just pushing for Game Pass aggressively.

I have similar feelings about subscriptions as I do about streaming—well, I don't mind the way subs are right now, but we don't know how the future looks; streaming is essentially designed to be subscription-based. I'm jumping too far into the future and kind of hate to admit it, but I know I'll cave eventually—just like I did with movies and music. Or maybe I won't be playing games by then!
 
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gothmog

Gold Member
Personally, I am hoping streaming does not take off for any of them lol. I am fine with it as an option, and hopefully it will stay that way. Anyway, what I was outlining is basically, where I thought they were going, but it's not as clear to me anymore what their plan is outside of just pushing for Game Pass aggressively.

I have similar feelings about subscriptions as I do about streaming—well, I don't mind the way subs are right now, but we don't know how the future looks; streaming is essentially designed to be subscription-based. I'm jumping too far into the future and kind of hate to admit it, but I know I'll cave eventually—just like I did with movies and music. Or maybe I won't be playing games by then!
My personal issue with all of these things is that if you go for it aggressively and get it most times companies have no idea what to do next.
 

aries_71

Junior Member
Personally, I am hoping streaming does not take off for any of them lol. I am fine with it as an option, and hopefully it will stay that way. Anyway, what I was outlining is basically, where I thought they were going, but it's not as clear to me anymore what their plan is outside of just pushing for Game Pass aggressively.

I have similar feelings about subscriptions as I do about streaming—well, I don't mind the way subs are right now, but we don't know how the future looks; streaming is essentially designed to be subscription-based. I'm jumping too far into the future and kind of hate to admit it, but I know I'll cave eventually—just like I did with movies and music. Or maybe I won't be playing games by then!
Cloud will take off if future hardware availability continues the current trend. It has been close to impossible to buy a new generation console or Nvidia high end card during several years. Even today availability is spotty. Amazon in Spain, which is 100% Sonyland, has a waiting list for PS5. SeriesX stock is impossible to find in any store. Never ever seen one physically since launch. If the trend continues for next generation people will end up firing up their cloud games directly from their TV.
 

FBeeEye

Banned
That wouldn't be so cringeworthy if he was being genuine. It is only being said and highlighted like that due to what is going on right now, but if they stand by that even after the acquisition, with their **newly acquired** games (likely not), then you have to give them props! When this whole thing started, I thought that was the direction they were pushing for, but the longer this goes on, the fuzzier that is...well it was fuzzier since the conflicting messaging...

Game Pass is definitely a disruptive move by MS and they seem to be fully behind it, but they could have taken it further by putting their games on any platform that could play them and I think, the game pass conversation would have gone a lot easier too.
Cool party trick. Now do me. What am I thinking right now?
 

sainraja

Member
Cloud will take off if future hardware availability continues the current trend. It has been close to impossible to buy a new generation console or Nvidia high end card during several years. Even today availability is spotty. Amazon in Spain, which is 100% Sonyland, has a waiting list for PS5. SeriesX stock is impossible to find in any store. Never ever seen one physically since launch. If the trend continues for next generation people will end up firing up their cloud games directly from their TV.
I can see it being the future, but it is not one I am looking forward to. I will likely adapt to it when the time comes. I think most will. But I hope it's not anytime soon!
 

Ar¢tos

Member
After last night's State of Play, it's clear that both Sony and MS are completely incompetent and it really won't make any difference if MS gets Activision or not. If they get it, they will ruin it, but they already only do shit games anyway.
And Sony is just going to continue its endless pursuit of graphically intensive (lame) emotional experiences, I have no doubt now that Tsushima 2 will be a sob story. Sony should move to Mexican telenovelas production.

I'm quitting AAA gaming.
 
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Personally, I am hoping streaming does not take off for any of them lol. I am fine with it as an option, and hopefully it will stay that way. Anyway, what I was outlining is basically, where I thought they were going, but it's not as clear to me anymore what their plan is outside of just pushing for Game Pass aggressively.

I have similar feelings about subscriptions as I do about streaming—well, I don't mind the way subs are right now, but we don't know how the future looks; streaming is essentially designed to be subscription-based. I'm jumping too far into the future and kind of hate to admit it, but I know I'll cave eventually—just like I did with movies and music. Or maybe I won't be playing games by then!

Streaming won't take away the retail market, physical media will still be sold.

I do still remember how Spotify was said to cannibalize not only the digital sales of music records, but also the physical ones, ironically the music industry has been experiencing since several years ago the rise of vinyl sales since 17 years ago, and you know what? Spotify made its debut back in 2008: https://www.billboard.com/pro/vinyl-album-sales-rise-growth-slowing/

Netflix, who moved its DVD rental business to the first cloud movie streaming platform, hasn't stopped people from buying DVD and Bluray movies, and though it's not as high as it used to be it hasn't stopped people from buying the latest releases, tv show boxsets, their fav films on physical media, or anniversary editions.

Same will happen with cloud gaming and subscriptions.
 

HoofHearted

Member
After last night's State of Play, it's clear that both Sony and MS are completely incompetent and it really won't make any difference if MS gets Activision or not. If they get it, they will ruin it, but they already only do shit games anyway.
And Sony is just going to continue its endless pursuit of graphically intensive (lame) emotional experiences, I have no doubt now that Tsushima 2 will be a sob story. Sony should move to Mexican telenovelas production.

I'm quitting AAA gaming.
 

Harlock

Member
Rumour: Blizzard had to keep financing Starcraft 2 tournaments because the deal with Microsoft. For this year Blizzard is not putting the money in Korean SC2 tournaments. This can be because now they can´t sign any new deal while the merger still going or the merger will not happen and they don´t need more keep financing esports.

 

reksveks

Member
This can be because now they can´t sign any new deal while the merger still going or the merger will not happen and they don´t need more keep financing esports.

ABK can sign new deals or decide not to but it can't just materially impact the business or the valuation of the company. I am not sure if this would be applicable here.

Remember that Blizzard bought the studio/company behind Spellbreak after the announced deal.

The whole thing about Chinese distribution (aka not renewing the Netease deal) feels much more bigger a potential issue.
 
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