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Microsoft aims for hack-proof 360

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4218670.stm

Microsoft plans to make its next generation games console, the Xbox 360, as difficult as possible to hack.

The 360 will have security built directly into the hardware, said Xbox engineer Chris Satchell.

Fans have modified the first Xbox to turn it into a media centre, upgrade the hard drive or allow it to play imported games.

Modifying a console is illegal in the UK if this is intended to get around anti-piracy measures on the Xbox.

Consoles such as the Xbox and PlayStation 2 can be modified by chips that are soldered to a console's main circuit board to bypass copyright controls.

The chips allow people to play games purchased legitimately in other countries, as well as running backup copies or bootleg discs.

Shortly after the first Xbox came out, computer scientists, smart amateur engineers and others started taking it apart and creating modification chips and software for the machine to make it do things Microsoft never intended it to.

Custom design

Such actions are frowned upon by the hardware manufacturers. In July last year, Sony won a court case to ban the selling of mod chips for its PlayStation 2 in the UK.


There are going to be levels of security in this box that the hacker community has never seen before
Chris Satchell, Xbox
In July of this year, a 22-year-old man became the first person in the UK to be convicted for modifying a video games console.

With the 360, Microsoft is aiming to make it as hard as possible to hack.

"We've taken security to the hardware level and built it in from the ground up," said Chris Satchell from the Xbox Advanced Technology Group.

"One of the reasons we went with custom hardware design for all our silicon is that it allows us to build security at the silicon level," he told the BBC News website.

"There are going to be levels of security in this box that the hacker community has never seen before."

Part of the motivation behind this is to prevent people from using the 360 to watch pirated films or TV shows.

But Mr Satchell admitted no system was fool-proof and that, with enough time and dedication, the security on the Xbox 360 would be broken.

"There're some really bright people in the world with some really expensive hardware," he said.

"I'm sure sooner or later someone will work out how to circumvent security. But the way we have done the design doesn't mean that it will work on somebody else's machine."

Microsoft's 360 is set to be the first of the new wave of games machines to hit the shops sometime before Christmas.

The basic Xbox 360, dubbed the Core System, will retail for $299 in the US, 299 euros in Europe and £209 in the UK.

The fully loaded console with all the accessories will sell for $399, 399 euros and £279. Sony's PlayStation 3 is due to be released early next year, with Nintendo's Revolution following later.
 
It will be done. All hail the masters of technological black arts!

This is a slight part of the reason I want a launch unit. The PS3 with a linux HD? Oh yes, it will be hacked.
 
I think MS knows that a lot of Xbox's western popularity is based off of the fact that it is by far the best moddable console in the history of gaming.
 
Yeah, this is nothing new. This has been their goal for quite a long time. Just look at the specs for the 360. It's very different than a PC, unlike the original Xbox.

I read plenty of articles talking about this about a year ago.
 
streamable video via a XP OS PC, would save alot of 360!s from being modded..

hey, I'll even take a "marketplace" update..

$19.95:

- video stream from xp pc
- codec update (including divx, xvid)
- ect.


$19.95 > your favorite mod chip :)
 
But Mr Satchell admitted no system was fool-proof and that, with enough time and dedication, the security on the Xbox 360 would be broken.

"There're some really bright people in the world with some really expensive hardware," he said.

"I'm sure sooner or later someone will work out how to circumvent security. But the way we have done the design doesn't mean that it will work on somebody else's machine."

What does this mean?? Has MS designed the system to where each one is somehow different?
 
WarLox said:
streamable video via a XP OS PC, would save alot of 360!s from being modded..

What? You can't stream video from a PC to the 360? Is it only music/photos then?
I thought you could connect the 360 to a PC and stream every type of media supported by Windows Media Player...
 
WarLox said:
streamable video via a XP OS PC, would save alot of 360!s from being modded..

hey, I'll even take a "marketplace" update..

$19.95:

- video stream from xp pc
- codec update (including divx, xvid)
- ect.


$19.95 > your favorite mod chip :)

o_O That's so wrong in so many levels, the modchip and softmods make possible to do so many things besides those

anyway, Team Xcecuter and smartxx already have access to x360 hardware,... besides that
MS has a double agenda TSC TSC
 
WarLox said:
how quickly we forget about the Dreamcast... :lol

Err Dreamcast was pretty hard wasnt it? I believe you had to copy those discs in a special way with equipment most people didnt have or thought was worth getting hence why people waited for internet releases or dumps and we didnt even see stuff until summer 2000 right?
 
WarLox said:
how quickly we forget about the Dreamcast... :lol

Dreamcast had stupid protection with it being in the GD-Rom and none in the hardware
Playstation discs can be done by anybody with half a brain
 
Shompola said:
Err Dreamcast was pretty hard wasnt it? I believe you had to copy those discs in a special way with equipment most people didnt have or thought was worth getting hence why people waited for internet releases or dumps and we didnt even see stuff until summer 2000 right?

Yeah, even then, they didn't boot automatically, you needed a loader
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
Yeah, even then, they didn't boot automatically, you needed a loader

Actually, even that was cracked and it is possible to burn ISOs that will self-boot with no hardware mods necessary. I was able to do this with a few homebrew apps (yes, real homebrew, nothing illegal).

Nathan
 
gblues said:
Actually, even that was cracked and it is possible to burn ISOs that will self-boot with no hardware mods necessary. I was able to do this with a few homebrew apps (yes, real homebrew, nothing illegal).

Nathan

I know that, in the beginning, you needed it though
 
If it is hardware copy protection and such it will be way different than any protection in any console so far. Of course they can screw up but it shuld atleast be harder than any console thus far if they dont miss anything.
 
zackattack said:
doesn't some mod team have a devkit? Would be funny to get a premodded console on day 1
yeah team smartxx posted pictures of their 360 devkit on their site and team xecuter has said they have "360 devkits" (plural)
 
I'm not very into the hacking scene, but I think if Nintendo succeeded on making its console not being pirated for much time coul mean that, if well designed, a console could be hackers-proof. Unless it was beacause of the small disks or scarce interest by hackers, but I don't think so.

About 360, I'm wondering how will they leverage their best anti-piracy system as of today: Xbox Live.
 
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