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Yeah the whole thing was canned. The construction bit was a joke. MS is completely out of touch with reality on this. Seriously, do they think people want to be entertained (or look at anything besides their path) as they walk down the hall???


Canned? Will you change your mind if the hundreds of hands-on impressions over the next couple of days are positive?

Obviously it depends on what you mean by "canned" but it's real technology and it works like the demos... I know enough people who have used it themselves directly and they are blown away.

Construction wasn't a joke, afaict it's a real customer. Ms has a huge target audience for this stuff with creative companies.
 
Canned? Will you change your mind if the hundreds of hands-on impressions over the next couple of days are positive?

Obviously it depends on what you mean by "canned" but it's real technology and it works like the demos... I know enough people who have used it themselves directly and they are blown away.

Construction wasn't a joke, afaict it's a real customer. Ms has a huge target audience for this stuff with creative companies.

Not to mention "Seriously, do they think people want to be entertained (or look at anything besides their path) as they walk down the hall???" is a really weird way of looking at this.

I doubt you're going to be watching a Malick movie while you're walking down the hall, but a cooking show? Football? A video podcast? A Skype call?

And it's really just following you--get to your new destination and pick a new space to pin it once you're ready. Use your brain.
 
Yeah the whole thing was canned. The construction bit was a joke. MS is completely out of touch with reality on this. Seriously, do they think people want to be entertained (or look at anything besides their path) as they walk down the hall???

Remind me, how many electronic head mounted products have been successful in the history of time?

I think you misunderstood the point of the the app following him as he walked...

It's not to "entertain yourself as you walk". It's because when you pin an app to a location it stays there. He was just moving where it was pinned. Yeah, you still get audio and what-not, but imagine a Skype call. You start a call in the kitchen, and pin it to the wall. You then want to continue the call in a different room. You have the app follow you into that room, and pin it there.
 
I think you misunderstood the point of the the app following him as he walked...

It's not to "entertain yourself as you walk". It's because when you pin an app to a location it stays there. He was just moving where it was pinned. Yeah, you still get audio and what-not, but imagine a Skype call. You start a call in the kitchen, and pin it to the wall. You then want to continue the call in a different room. You have the app follow you into that room, and pin it there.

...It's like Skyping on your phone, but hands-free!

Seriously though I do believe they have a great product in their hands if - if it can live up to the hype. Got to see it to believe it.
 
Not to mention "Seriously, do they think people want to be entertained (or look at anything besides their path) as they walk down the hall???" is a really weird way of looking at this.

I doubt you're going to be watching a Malick movie while you're walking down the hall, but a cooking show? Football? A video podcast? A Skype call?

And it's really just following you--get to your new destination and pick a new space to pin it once you're ready. Use your brain.

This would be so fantastic for plane trips. Fuck yo shitty in flight movie, I'm in a movie theater!

With crap seating and no food, but still.
 
Canned? Will you change your mind if the hundreds of hands-on impressions over the next couple of days are positive?

Obviously it depends on what you mean by "canned" but it's real technology and it works like the demos... I know enough people who have used it themselves directly and they are blown away.

Construction wasn't a joke, afaict it's a real customer. Ms has a huge target audience for this stuff with creative companies.

What construction bit, I tried to look for a video but could not find a thing.
 
Dear Hololens Devs:

Take this -

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Integrate with this -

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You now have the biggest selling app on the Hololens store.

(For about 5 minutes before MS pulls it and makes it themselves.)

soooon..... sooooon....

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Those HoloLens demos...holy shit. The future is so close it's unbelievable. Can not wait to see just how innovative this product is, both in gaming and outside gaming.

I will say one thing, Microsoft have been super smart in showing off what the HoloLens can do for everyday people. Oculus and Morpheus have been shown as more gaming orientated devices but HoloLens has the benefit of starting off as a consumer friendly digital world, perfect for marketing.
 
Any idea what's in tomorrow's keynote?

Pretty much the main stuff will be they will be talking about exactly what method(s) they are using to get Android and iOS apps on Windows, what the process is to port an app and the new APIs. We will likely also hear talk about developing for Hololens and Xbox.
 
Why the Mac App Store Sucks

Some of these aspects will certainly apply to the Windows Store, too, other aspects of the criticism ultimately depend on Microsoft's specific implementation. But for paid apps, keep this in mind:


On the technical side of things, and I assume it's true for future Windows Store Win32 apps as well since they run in a sandboxed/virtual environment:



So people who expect every Windows program to appear in the Store and thus have it work flawlessly across all Windows devices may be in for a (negative) surprise. As a Mac user, I get the Apple office suite, Twitter, Reeder, Evernote (side note: they've just pushed update 6.0.9 to the Mac App Store today, while the non-MAS-app is at 6.0.10), Microsoft Remote Desktop and Condense through the App Store, everything else - Dropbox, Spotify, Steam, Origin, Cisco AnyConnect, VLC, Adium, Chrome and more - I still have to download separately. Which is disappointing because the concept of one store on the desktop is good for the users as all the apps you get through it are kept up to date, without all these different application-specific update mechanism that usually suck.

But let's see how Microsoft is going to tackle all of this. One advantage of the Windows Store over the Mac App Store is certainly the wide range of devices you can target with one app, compared to just Macs with the Mac App Store. Whether or not that makes up for the downsides then remains to be seen.

Developers can release updates as often as they want on the Windows store. I've had some Windows phone apps update twice on the same day. We'll have to see what limitations apply to win32 apps on the store. I don't expect full access, since the whole point of the store is to not have to worry about apps fucking up your system.
 
This would be so fantastic for plane trips. Fuck yo shitty in flight movie, I'm in a movie theater!

A Galaxy Gear can do that already, for what is a fraction of what this will cost.

I think Hololens will live in high-end industry for a good few years until the tech gets cheap enough that it's worth releasing to consumers . That's not a bad thing either - in that time they'll be able to reduce the size, weight, increase battery life and power - make it something you could wear anywhere.
 
I hope that even with easy app porting, we see developers invest in matching the Windows design language still. That's what was most appealing about Windows Phone for me, but I was driven away by lack of apps.
 
I hope that even with easy app porting, we see developers invest in matching the Windows design language still. That's what was most appealing about Windows Phone for me, but I was driven away by lack of apps.

The latest builds of Windows 10 Phone have shown they are moving away from the pivot design and to the more popular 'hamburger' menu used in Android Apps.
 
Pretty much the main stuff will be they will be talking about exactly what method(s) they are using to get Android and iOS apps on Windows, what the process is to port an app and the new APIs. We will likely also hear talk about developing for Hololens and Xbox.

Cool, looking forward to watching this one.
 
Why the Mac App Store Sucks

Some of these aspects will certainly apply to the Windows Store, too, other aspects of the criticism ultimately depend on Microsoft's specific implementation. But for paid apps, keep this in mind:


On the technical side of things, and I assume it's true for future Windows Store Win32 apps as well since they run in a sandboxed/virtual environment:



So people who expect every Windows program to appear in the Store and thus have it work flawlessly across all Windows devices may be in for a (negative) surprise. As a Mac user, I get the Apple office suite, Twitter, Reeder, Evernote (side note: they've just pushed update 6.0.9 to the Mac App Store today, while the non-MAS-app is at 6.0.10), Microsoft Remote Desktop and Condense through the App Store, everything else - Dropbox, Spotify, Steam, Origin, Cisco AnyConnect, VLC, Adium, Chrome and more - I still have to download separately. Which is disappointing because the concept of one store on the desktop is good for the users as all the apps you get through it are kept up to date, without all these different application-specific update mechanism that usually suck.

But let's see how Microsoft is going to tackle all of this. One advantage of the Windows Store over the Mac App Store is certainly the wide range of devices you can target with one app, compared to just Macs with the Mac App Store. Whether or not that makes up for the downsides then remains to be seen.

I disagree with the update bit. Yeah, developers can push updates at their own pace, but very few have a in app update system, you end up having to download the new version and installing it for yourself.

I'd rather have a slightly update delivered silently than having to go my way to update an app.
 
The latest builds of Windows 10 Phone have shown they are moving away from the pivot design and to the more popular 'hamburger' menu used in Android Apps.

A member of the design team made a post yesterday. They are not moving away from pivots completely, but they are now giving freedom to chose whether they apply to your design (on a platform basis).

For instance the photos app will have a hamburger menu on the desktop for navigation, and on WP it will only have pivots.
 
I disagree with the update bit. Yeah, developers can push updates at their own pace, but very few have a in app update system, you end up having to download the new version and installing it for yourself.

I'd rather have a slightly update delivered silently than having to go my way to update an app.

At least on iOS, after a developer pushed an update to Apple, it takes up to 7 days and longer until it passes certification and appears on devices. That's a considerable amount of time you basically have your hands tied behind your back, especially if people discover an app-breaking bug. In some cases, but those are apps that are probably never going to be available on the Windows Store anyway, some developers have to provide hotfixes to customers/corporations to quickly fix an issue that has arisen in their specific environment. These are tailor-made patches basically which solve the issue but haven't been tested in other environments and thus could lead to an issue there, so you can't just push it through the Store update system to all customers without proper testing.

So, there are some scenarios in which a Store update system could prove to be a hinderance to developers.
 
At least on iOS, after a developer pushed an update to Apple, it takes up to 7 days and longer until it passes certification and appears on devices. That's a considerable amount of time you basically have your hands tied behind your back, especially if people discover an app-breaking bug. In some cases, but those are apps that are probably never going to be available on the Windows Store anyway, some developers have to provide hotfixes to customers/corporations to quickly fix an issue that has arisen in their specific environment. These are tailor-made patches basically which solve the issue but haven't been tested in other environments and thus could lead to an issue there, so you can't just push it through the Store update system to all customers without proper testing.

So, there are some scenarios in which a Store update system could prove to be a hinderance to developers.

Oh, I was talking about the current update model on win32 apps, but that's a good point.
 
I feel so compelled to install Windows 10 Technical Preview on top of my Windows 8.1 install

God I am on the Bleeding Edge in Ubuntu, why shouldn't I do the same to Windows?
 
I feel so compelled to install Windows 10 Technical Preview on top of my Windows 8.1 install

God I am on the Bleeding Edge in Ubuntu, why shouldn't I do the same to Windows?

Same. That said, I may just throw it on a virtual machine so I can begin porting my apps to Windows 10
 
Is channel9 doen? it wont load for me

VLC
Code:
https://mpsevents-a.akamaihd.net/mpslive1.origin.mediaservices.windows.net/76bbf33d-89f8-4b77-9e0a-80e8c606ff77/61584a19-4ca6-4ed2-add4-99f35ef826b3.ism/manifest(format=m3u8-aapl-v3)
 
Is channel9 doen? it wont load for me

VLC
Code:
https://mpsevents-a.akamaihd.net/mpslive1.origin.mediaservices.windows.net/76bbf33d-89f8-4b77-9e0a-80e8c606ff77/61584a19-4ca6-4ed2-add4-99f35ef826b3.ism/manifest(format=m3u8-aapl-v3)

The stream's just stopped for me and a reload's doing nothing atm.
That VLC url's working great though, cheers.

This guy jokes like a dairy farmer.

Now I know more about inseminating cows than I ever hoped to know

Interesting though.
Azure server farm.
 
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