Microsoft cancels post-E3 media roundtable

bkfount said:
who? I don't think there's a line of companies eager to jump in to the industry.

MS worked their asses off to compete with the playstation brand, and their presence really whipped Sony's arrogant asses in shape this gen. MS has lost their focus, and there's going to be a strong gaming focused ps4 to capitalize.
Click to expand...

This is definitely true.

Still a few possible contenders like Google, Apple or Samsung. You just never know.
 
chadskin said:
I wonder why Kotaku, Polygon and so on are so quiet about the cancelled post-E3 round table? Haven't read a thing on their pages yet.
Click to expand...
As far as I know, the only thing we've heard is the tweet in this thread. We were not told of any cancellations by MS.
 
godelsmetric said:
Xbox has never made them money; unlike Sony with PlayStation
Click to expand...
It's making MS money now, also worth noting Sony lost more money over the last two gens than MS.

they do not need Xbox to survive.
Click to expand...
This is true.

If Xbone bombs they will not try again, they'll just cut their losses and consolidate the business to their core products. There's already internal pressure to do it.
Click to expand...
There's no internal pressure to do this, it's external. Much like external pressure on Nintendo to sell their games on the iphone. Neither makes sense for them to do so.



Shinta said:
This is definitely true.

Still a few possible contenders like Google, Apple or Samsung. You just never know.
Click to expand...
None of them will make a console, it's too risky. If they get into gaming at all, it will be tablet or phone gaming.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
The latter seems more likely since Sony has already said that you can use the PS4 "old school" style without an internet connection. Which seems like the opposite design decision that Microsoft has taken with the Xbox One.

But I guess we'll know soon enough. I still think Microsoft is going to avoid talking about it at all, since it can only be perceived as a negative to the consumer. There is no positive way or reason to talk about it during the actual conference, unless it's to say "And you can play used games just like you did with your 360, free of charge." Anything else looks bad, no matter what. Consumers don't give a shit about stopping piracy, we're not going to see cheaper games DRM or not.
Click to expand...

There's a third option in that Microsoft could be waiting to see what the small print is on Sony's policies and working from there as Sony, while saying "No always online, no used block on PS4", were still rather obnoxious with DRM like Cinavia and using Online Pass during the PS3 and it's interesting to see where they will go on it. Sony is a company that very much cares about controlling it's own content as well as Microsoft and haven't been afraid to try draconian measures down the line, especially since they can update firmware as needed. So there's an option to wait to see if Sony stumbles as well and start the climbdown from there.
 
PhatSaqs said:
Unless the interviewers choose to announce it somewhere beforehand I doubt we will know.
Click to expand...

Ah, let's hope some of them announce it somewhere. I need to know who to tweet to ensure we get a proper answer about the DRM garbage.

chadskin said:
With a week away from E3, they have to have those interviews set in stone already. The mayhem usually starts 4 weeks prior to the show.

I wonder why Kotaku, Polygon and so on are so quiet about the cancelled post-E3 round table? Haven't read a thing on their pages yet.
Click to expand...

That's a bum deal. Do we know who from those sites will be going to E3? Could tweet them all to make sure they ask at least one hard question about the used game DRM situation.
 
Fonz72 said:
Perhaps the parent company, but not the gaming division. The success of the 360 really may prove to have been a fluke. Look how poorly they handled GFWL and gaming in Windows 8. There are obviously some very poor decision makers in that company when it comes to DRM.
Click to expand...

Well that is true.

However, I wouldn't call the success of the 360 a fluke.

The success of the 360 was two things:

1) Sony dropping the ball so hard with PS3 in the beginning.

2) M$ throwing so many moneyhats around.
 
But the biggest clusterfuck is that Apple is organising a conference on the SAME time as Microsoft's E3 and if that is about Apple TV than Don Mattrick can kiss ExBawks's ass bigtime.
 
H_Prestige said:
No
Click to expand...
I'll see if I can hunt down the graph that was posted on gaf showing Sony still had larger overall loses (due to the PS3, PS2 obviously made them money) than Microsoft's losses.

I assume that's the point you're disputing, not that MS has made money on Xbox for the last year (year and a half) or so.
 
The train wreck that never stops. This shows a real lack of confidence and only lends further credence to the mess that is obviously going on behind the scenes.
 
Rogue_Ledr said:
Well that is true.

However, I wouldn't call the success of the 360 a fluke.

The success of the 360 was two things:

1) Sony dropping the ball so hard with PS3 in the beginning.

2) M$ throwing so many moneyhats around.
Click to expand...
this is stupid. like it or not, MS coming into the console business was a good thing. they brought online to consoles in a major way. if not for them, Sony would probably still be backwards like nintendo.
 
something fishy said:
No ea online passes tells us they will have drm on ps4
Click to expand...

Possibly, but all the noises coming out of the Sony camp recently seem to suggest it's up to the publishers.

Just dropping online passes means shit if EA decide you need a code to tie the whole game to your account, which I envisage is the most likely scenario.
 
Shinta said:
This is definitely true.

Still a few possible contenders like Google, Apple or Samsung. You just never know.
Click to expand...

The video game console market is a stagnant market that has cost most of its players significant amounts of losses with not much growth to show for it. Any sane company that's not already in the business would do well to keep out of it and search for growth opportunities elsewhere.
 
Lol. XBone sales are going to drop off so hard once the initial wave of clueless customers get their's at launch based on the name alone.
 
puebla said:
this is stupid. like it or not, MS coming into the console business was a good thing. they brought online to consoles in a major way. if not for them, Sony would probably still be backwards like nintendo.
Click to expand...

Yeah. Sony never pioneers new technology or pushes the envelope.
 
It really seems to me that Microsoft are trying to position themselves in such a way that they control the narrative around their machine. All companies do this to some extent, but to shut out any public Q&A is certainly a step farther than I've ever seen it go.

In the end, the manufacturer can't control the perception of their device. Perception is dictated by the public, whether that's journalists or consumers.
 
puebla said:
i didn't say that, but you have to admit, ms lit a fire under sony's ass. that's a good thing.
Click to expand...

Did they, though? This entire generation was watching the Wii blast forward and then MS/Sony each added on some motion stuff later, to varying degrees of success.
 
Heartfyre said:
It really seems to me that Microsoft are trying to position themselves in such a way that they control the narrative around their machine. All companies do this to some extent, but to shut out any public Q&A is certainly a step farther than I've ever seen it go.

In the end, the manufacturer can't control the perception of their device. Perception is dictated by the public, whether that's journalists or consumers.
Click to expand...

Well, given what we know and what is still being leaked, it only makes it look like they indeed have something to hide.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
How is that any different from what Microsoft is doing?
Click to expand...

Every single Xbox One game is bundled with a piece of paper with a serial number on it. You need to register the game online to play it on your console. You can't play offfline.

That's different than Online Passes for multiplayer access.
 
Perhaps the journalists will be so shocked after the E3 press conference (15 Kinect games, played by cute childs) that they wouldn't find any right words anyway. ;-)

Seriously. There will be still individual meetings for the media, so we will get our anwsers (if they don't contradict each other).
 
godelsmetric said:
It's not melodrama, it's a pretty obvious extrapolation from the way they've treated their previous market failures. They tried with Zune for a while and killed it when it became clear it wasn't working.

And I'm talking about if Xbone WiiU's here, not if they're as successful as, say, 360.
Click to expand...

There's something to be said for this. Future living rooms are not going to be controlled by some big box under the TV. Commoditized computing power will make this concept obsolete.

Xbox's biggest asset, at this point, is if they could get Live bros to suddenly embrace the W8 mobile space. They've been a dismal failure with phones/tablets. And with the lead iOS/Android has built, it would seem insurmountable in most cases. The Hail Mary is Live. If they could have a unified interface with XB1, that would make W8 phones/tablets inviting to young people, they could pull it off. That would be one of the biggest power plays in computing history and snatch victory from defeat. If XB1 bombs, owning the living room becomes obsolete, and the phone/tablet market is lost forever, there won't be much incentive to keep them around.
 
I'd say that's a wiser choice than constantly contradicting yourself, but still doesn't do much to inspire confidence. What a weird year.
 
Green Yoshi said:
Perhaps the journalists will be so shocked after the E3 press conference (15 Kinect games, played by cute childs) that they wouldn't find any right words anyway. ;-)

Seriously. There will be still individual meetings for the media, so we will get our anwsers (if they don't contradict each other).
Click to expand...

Yes, I'm sure they will most certainly have more pre-baked lines to serve on their own terms.
 
Puppet Shadow said:
There's no internal pressure to do this, it's external. Much like external pressure on Nintendo to sell their games on the iphone. Neither makes sense for them to do so.
Click to expand...
I thought that there was internal pressure and shareholder pressure to shut down or spin off Xbox pretty much since the division was established? Why would they stick at a nonessential product that loses them money? That's what makes no sense, not them continuing to pour money into a bottomless pit.
 
Good lord, between the three threads today can it get any worse? It's no wonder MS right after the press conference MS is deciding

2vcWAij.gif
 
H_Prestige said:
No
Click to expand...
Update:

You're right, I'm wrong. I was thinking of data from just the start of this gen, and my brain added in the whole 'wiped out all PS2 losses' and started my date from there. My bad.

From what I could figure out, since the year 2000, Sony is a billion in the red, while Microsoft's losses are closer to 5 billion. Hell, not even close.


godelsmetric said:
I thought that there was internal pressure and shareholder pressure to shut down or spin off Xbox pretty much since the division was established? Why would they stick at a nonessential product that loses them money? That's what makes no sense, not them continuing to pour money into a bottomless pit.
Click to expand...
Those requests have been mainly been coming from analysts. I'm sure some stockholders are asking for this too, but no large ones that I've read. I consider them outsiders anyways. And again, right now it's a profitable division. Why cut out something that's making money?

Edit: Unless you mean sell the division now while it's profitable, when there's the possibility it may tank over the next five years. That would make some sense, but I can't see them doing this.
 
That thing was so important that I hadn’t even heard about until right this second!!!11 What, are there people on message boards attempting to pick apart facets of E3 that they don’t actually understand and extrapolating every little move to mean that someone or something is doomed? Because I can’t imagine any other person or group of people getting excited for or caring about a roundtable anything.

Hopefully it means that one more company has learned that roundtable interview formats are not especially useful in this day and age because most of the people there aren’t just looking for one quote or soundbite for their… newspaper article or whatever.
Click to expand...

Jeff Gerstmann continues to be one of the few not crazy people reading this story.
 
godelsmetric said:
I thought that there was internal pressure and shareholder pressure to shut down or spin off Xbox pretty much since the division was established? Why would they stick at a nonessential product that loses them money? That's what makes no sense, not them continuing to pour money into a bottomless pit.
Click to expand...

It makes sense if it can pull their ass out of the frier in the mobile space. If XB1 isn't enough to make the similar Windows mobile cool, I don't think they'll have much further use for them.

I think they have high hopes, though. Makes sense why they had the rumored speculation of Mattrick being promoted to a higher position. If his Xbox division is what turns them into a mobile player, he'll probably get the keys to that kingdom.
 
Smart move for them. They were just going to be poked and slaughtered anyway by questions we've mostly already asked and gotten answers to.
 
They could not have chosen a more critical time to cancel their roundtable.

Microsoft better be really clear at their presser then.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

  • Locked
Microsoft denies hardware cancelling rumors
News 
5
71
alabtrosMyster replied
Post Summer Games Fest / Fake-E3 Window: What's Your Single Most Anticipated Game?
2
75
2K
teokrazia replied
ZeniMax Union Responds to Microsoft Canceling Unannounced MMO: 'A Future Has Been Stolen From Us'
Game Dev  2
90
1K
TheThreadsThatBindUs replied
PlayStation quietly cancels remaining ‘PlayStation: The Concert’ 2025 tour dates in the U
News 
34
87
Durin replied
EA Cancels Black Panther Game, Closes Cliffhanger Studios
3 4 5 6 7
324
4K
StreetsofBeige replied
Top Bottom