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[nial]

It's actually kind of funny, because what really happened was they agreed to fund them, but then instead stole all of the talent (including one of the founders) leaving a bunch of people with no jobs.

I don't know how anyone could possibly get Sony saving all the good talent out of a mismanaged studio (which was not their business, btw) that was having general issues in shipping a AAA title as a bad thing.

Sony was 100% responsible fot its closure.

You're trying way too hard.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

It's actually kind of funny, because what really happened was they agreed to fund them, but then instead stole all of the talent (including one of the founders) leaving a bunch of people with no jobs. Sony was 100% responsible fot its closure. But by all means, Sony is definately free of all sin, pure as the white snow.

Sony-backed Deviation Games has shut down without releasing a game

Deviation Games, which was founded in 2020, has officially closed its doors having never released its debut game which was set to be a brand new IP exclusive to PlayStation.

wolfsgamingblog.com

My guy, you're frothing, also : Sony too®

Like.fucking.clockwork.

If all all this shitstorm just makes you continue thinking in this tribalistic way and your only retort is Sony too ® I don't know what to tell you, you're beyond hope.

Keep the corporate boot licking alive I suppose...

 

[jwaxeman]

Why would you want to play Hi Fi Rush when you can play “digital costume collector for my virtual Barbie doll, featuring licensed skins from Amazon TV shows” in Call of Duty instead?

 

[CityHunter1981]

It’s just messed up. Microsoft just made a huge profit, but close some of its studios. I can understand the reason for closing the Arkane studio, seeing the disappointment Redfall was, but Tango Workshop is just sad and is another victim of not satisfying sales expectations although putting out great games.

Makes me wonder if Shinji Mikami really left because it was his plan for a long time or if he anticipated this….

 

[ulantan]

The Xbox showcase is just gonna be devs on stage fighting for thier life, begging people to buy thier games so they don't get shutdown.

 

[THE DUCK]

Your first response to this news was #SonyToo and here you are 7 hours later still #SonyToo

I'm only replying to other people's weak attempts at defending what actually happened with Deviation vs a happy spin.

SonyToo is just your recycled "humor" the face of anything that might come close to not towing the company line here.

 

[ulantan]

I'm only replying to other people's weak attempts at defending what actually happened with Deviation vs a happy spin.

SonyToo is just your recycled "humor" the face of anything that might come close to not towing the company line here.

Why couldn't deviation just get another contract with someone else?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm only replying to other people's weak attempts at defending what actually happened with Deviation vs a happy spin.

SonyToo is just your recycled "humor" the face of anything that might come close to not towing the company line here.

All i'm saying is you might want to swallow already. You're leaking

 

[THE DUCK]

I don't know how anyone could possibly get Sony saving all the good talent out of a mismanaged studio (which was not their business, btw) that was having general issues in shipping a AAA title as a bad thing.

You're trying way too hard.

Wait, so it's ok to rip talent out of a studio for Sony, but it's not ok for ms? Your really just proving my point. But I will give in soon, no amount of logic or reason will see past your ms hate. I'm not even trying.......its just obvious the hypocracy.

 

[THE DUCK]

My guy, you're frothing, also : Sony too®

Like.fucking.clockwork.

If all all this shitstorm just makes you continue thinking in this tribalistic way and your only retort is Sony too ® I don't know what to tell you, you're beyond hope.

Keep the corporate boot licking alive I suppose...

Well no point I suppose, 20 to 1 posts against ms here at gaf, par for the course. It's why most ms supporters are gone elsewhere, and this thread is alone sided. And for the record, one can be a ms supporter and still like other systems, just not here. I suppose it's time to move on.

 

[THE DUCK]

All i'm saying is you might want to swallow already. You're leaking

Your a complete clown, I have no idea why you haven't been banned permanently.

 

[nial]

Wait, so it's ok to rip talent out of a studio for Sony, but it's not ok for ms? Your really just proving my point.

What are you even sperging about at this point? Lmao.
Zero correlation.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Your a complete clown, I have no idea why you haven't been banned permanently.

Move on already. I'm sure Phil's ready for you again

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

this dudes usually have some good insight



yeah...i dont think there is a single mentally sound individual defending/spinning what just happened. There are people trying to blame the industry tho. Of course that's a stupid read; this is solely on Xbox shitty strategy.

I said many times that xbox is fuuuucked ( ZehDon ). But after listening to that podcast. which ( Jigsaah should take a listen)...The situation is beyond fucked. At this point, people just need to pray they don't fuck up CoD.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

A corporation with a DEI policy is still a corporation. Microsoft is not communist....

And if the Ghostwire belly flop was caused by a mistranslation in the English version, shouldn't the game have sold noticeably better in the non English countries?

Not to get off topic and down too big a political rabbit hole, but yes Microsoft are communist, what we're being pushed towards is a China model of society, Microsoft are supporting this agenda 100%, there's no profit to be made from something like DEI, it's purely a political flex, an excuse to have commissars and control narratives and oust "wrong thinkers"

It's ironic, but the Chinese model of communism allows a lot of political power for big business and their cronies in government, it's why they want it, all the benefits of capitalism with the benefit of a government that gets to control free speech and send political enemies to re-education camps, it's a win-win for elites and a lose-lose for the little guy.

This is why Xbox sucks now, this is all downstream from a corporation who the last thing on their agenda is you having fun.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Well no point I suppose, 20 to 1 posts against ms here at gaf, par for the course. It's why most ms supporters are gone elsewhere, and this thread is alone sided. And for the record, one can be a ms supporter and still like other systems, just not here. I suppose it's time to move on.

Again, like fucking clockwork.

It's ALWAYS about the "boo hoo, people are mean towards MS", it's a fucking persecution complex at this point and the most pathetic thing is, you don't even get it.
What the fuck does it mean "MS supporters have gone elsewhere" - what, you need some backup for the warz® ?
Hasn't this friggin' company done enough shit just these past 3 years ? What's there to defend ? Why are you acting like people are in the wrong here ?

Unless we're in bizarro world, all the shit that's happening right now is actually real and not some behind the scene grand-scheme plotted by evil Sony and/or Nintendo, yes ?

Fucking unbelievable, some of you take shilling to new heights

 

[rabbity-thing]

Not to get off topic and down too big a political rabbit hole, but yes Microsoft are communist, what we're being pushed towards is a China model of society, Microsoft are supporting this agenda 100%, there's no profit to be made from something like DEI, it's purely a political flex, an excuse to have commissars and control narratives and oust "wrong thinkers"

It's ironic, but the Chinese model of communism allows a lot of political power for big business and their cronies in government, it's why they want it, all the benefits of capitalism with the benefit of a government that gets to control free speech and send political enemies to re-education camps, it's a win-win for elites and a lose-lose for the little guy.

This is why Xbox sucks now, this is all downstream from a corporation who the last thing on their agenda is you having fun.

 

[Bernardougf]

Maybe Phil should have taken all that money and instead of buying new studios like a drunken sailor on shore leave and shit, he should have invested and built up the studios he had first. Hindsight is a bitch, ain't it?

If something you build fails its your fault.. if something you bought fails is their fault ... no hindsight ... smart business

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

yup, just shove your head your ass and ignore the reality of the world we live in.

 

[rabbity-thing]

yup, just shove your head your ass and ignore the reality of the world we live in.

 

[graywolf323]

Like clockwork.

you know it’s bad news for Xbox when the sleeper cells get activated

/s

 

[Bernardougf]

Well no point I suppose, 20 to 1 posts against ms here at gaf, par for the course. It's why most ms supporters are gone elsewhere, and this thread is alone sided. And for the record, one can be a ms supporter and still like other systems, just not here. I suppose it's time to move on.

 

[ProtoByte]

Just remember, people here CHAMPIONED Microsoft buying these companies and many more. They said this kind of stuff wouldn't happen and MS would be the savior of game development.

This is the key.

Had Microsoft never bought Bethesda, honest analysis would have led one to presume that Arkane and Tango were the weakest of the major links at the company and headed for reduction or closure with more underperformances/flops.

Microsoft buying them was never going to help, particularly with Gamepass in tow, but people pretended it would. Microsoft swore that it would. "Gamepass is why we can do games like Hi-Fi Rush!!" was always bullshit, and now people can see it.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Close the studio behind hi-fi rush …

The only studio at MS that produced something decent recently ….

I have no words ..

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Thinking about Ninja Theory.

It's almost like giving the game away free on game-pass might not be sustainable.

 

[N30RYU]

MS is just derailing and instead of selling the studios they want the IPs in limbo just in case they someday want to give it to another of its studios if by that day they have anyone left.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

So, it means that the company that has been mismanaging its internal studios and intellectual properties since at least 2010, and doesn't seem to have learned anything or improved its management, ended up buying new studios and managing them so poorly that it had to even close one that basically made its only good exclusive in 2023. And I'm supposed to act like I'm surprised? I said it at the time and I'll say it again: For a moment, I feared the possibility of Microsoft's monopoly, but they mismanage their studios and games so badly that they themselves will do the FTC's job and shrink their own size.

You can expect COD to face the same problems in a few years.

 

[PonyStation4]

If Tango was a good company and profitable, wouldn't Microsoft have sold them instead?

 

[N30RYU]

 

[bitbydeath]

If Tango was a good company and profitable, wouldn't Microsoft have sold them instead?

Probably so they can hold onto the games.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

If Tango was a good company and profitable, wouldn't Microsoft have sold them instead?

WTF..!? Ugh... now I want to find this out. They should have sold them anyway, but they didn't. Know why? They want to keep the IP.

 

[Topher]

 

[Unknown?]

So, it means that the company that has been mismanaging its internal studios and intellectual properties since at least 2010, and doesn't seem to have learned anything or improved its management, ended up buying new studios and managing them so poorly that it had to even close one that basically made its only good exclusive in 2023. And I'm supposed to act like I'm surprised? I said it at the time and I'll say it again: For a moment, I feared the possibility of Microsoft's monopoly, but they mismanage their studios and games so badly that they themselves will do the FTC's job and shrink their own size.

You can expect COD to face the same problems in a few years.

Yeah, COD is screwed! I saw this coming a mike away. Soon it will be as irrelevant as Halo.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

They say that hope dies last.

 

[Topher]

$8 .1 Billion

 

[Jerm411]

The faux outrage here for Arcane Austin is laughable. Many of you weirdos insisted that the devs of Redfall have worse things done to them than a layoff for the state of the game when it shipped. We've been clowning on MS about thier quality control for years. Maybe this is their way of doing so- albeit extreme. Maybe this means everyones on notice and unless quality improves across the board, these sort of things are expected. (insert meme of beatings will continue until morale improves meme lol)

They've had a year since release to make the game some what better and at this point a year later, there's barely anyone playing the game to make it worth it. Redfall going offline does nothing to improve or bring sales/profit. Sucks as hell for the people who bought the DLC packs and stuff but a the end of the day, its business and the people at Arcane Austin were just not good for it. The management there should have been shipped off ages ago clearly, but at this point nobody's making this lemon of a game any better, regardless of the people working there.

I don't agree with Tango being shut down, but it could also just be having a studio presence in a country where literally nobody plays your games or console isn't even worth it. Maybe Tango couldn't afford to buy themselves out and this was the only other option. The IP is still there for use, and who knows maybe another studio will make a better sequel. Maybe MS wasnt happy when the main dude from the studio left.

Not sure why many are blaming gamepass as its the reason for the closures.

If anything when a game comes on gamepass, devs/companies get paid for that to happen. Devs/Companies make money for games to get put on gamepass. If anything as a consumer this is great for me, because i dont have to spend 100 bucks (Canadian here) and then be shit out of luck when the game is ass. If anything, if the game is good, and i know it isnt a first party game, i'll want to play it and will buy it so i wont lose the abiility to play when and if the games goes off gamepass.

If anything the onus is on devs to make a good game so i'll want to play and support the game. This is better quality control for gamers anyways. If a game came out on game pass and was great- awesome, and if i like it enough- i'll buy it to support the dev. If the game is shit, then i dont have to shell out money. This has always been the case with games, if you made a shit game and nobody liked it, chances are the next game or sequel you make will be heavily scrutinized.

Thanks Phil for stopping by….

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

xbox division is in a much worst shape than they want to admit

this was so much evident with the business update.

 

[consoul]

Also this is cool to see one last time

Won't be the last time. Mikami's not out of the game yet. I have high hopes for Studio Kamuy.

 

[EDMIX]

Who would buy a closed studios?

Lots.

Its not unusual for a studio that closed to have the team form a different team or get picked up by a different publisher or something. I mean, studio closed, MS didn't buy humans like slavery or something lol They are free to get other jobs is what I mean and hopefully those teams just form something better else where.

So maybe Capcom might pick up those Tango members or Sony if they want to do some Siren type thing.

Who knows.

 

[ZehDon]

Reminds me of the dark days of Origin, when little red Xs were put on a staff photo as people left or were fired after EA stepped in.

 

[VeganElduderino]

Why the fuck are they buying studios just to close them down? weird as fuck if you ask me.

 

[Nonehxc]

Lol.

I see the DramaPass just keeps pumping out lovely trash gems month after month.

It's a pity the games aren't held to the same high standards than the madness.

 

[bender]

Well no point I suppose, 20 to 1 posts against ms here at gaf, par for the course. It's why most ms supporters are gone elsewhere, and this thread is alone sided. And for the record, one can be a ms supporter and still like other systems, just not here. I suppose it's time to move on.

 

[JayK47]

Considering what Microsoft has done to most of it's developers, maybe this is a good thing. The good talent will find new jobs, maybe even start their own studios.

 

[DForce]

Let's not forget part of why this is happening, the industry backed the wrong side in the Woke vs unWoke divide, Woke gamers don't buy games as much as nonWoke gamers, real gamers don't like that shit, it makes people check out.

Starfield could have been a bigger hit if it hadn't been for the ugly NPCs you take one look and it leaves your wallet closed, in the case of Tango, Ghostwire was sunk by some dipshit translating a line as "all property is theft"

Kick the Woke douches OUT of this industry or face more closures and money lost, gamers don't like that shit, don't want these people here, this is not your audience.

The level of delusion here is insane.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

iD software could be shut down next…not saying I have any reason to think they would be except they’re owned by Microsoft

If these fuckers even think about touching ID...

 

[simpatico]

What in the world has a whole office building full of people with full time salaries called "Arkane Austin" been doing every day since Redfall dropped? That's a huge expense and toward what?

 

[Pantz]

Reminded me of this meme.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Let me get this straight... you want to punish all western studios and publishers because MS and Xbox is shit?!

WTF kind of logic or rationale is this?!?

I don't even.... I can't....

No, I want all to go down because all are shit and cancer.

 

[Rien]

Wow, thats just cold.

Quite hot actually. Feel the burn