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But Major Nelson is just rehashing the PR because that's all he is: A PR rehasher.
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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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But Major Nelson is just rehashing the PR because that's all he is: A PR rehasher.
Duckhuntdog
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Or a game design position at a major developer.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Agreed. Just like a sportsman represents his country when he's on tour, any bad behaviour by him reflects badly on that country.
Most companies know this and have strict guidelines about posting about your job online, or prohibiting psoting things that would "bring the organisation into disrepute". Which Orth has done and then some.
I'd be really surprised if he keeps his job.
What kind of straw man argument is this garbage?
Guy talks about single-player games from the 90's and he brings up an MMO.
The name of the genre literally has 'Online' in the name. Massively Multiplayer Online RPG.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
Impeccable
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"Product Roadmap" is there new launch IP?
its this guy video?çlolol where can i see it fully? omg lol
If 'always on' enhances the gameplay experience (like automatic downloads, streaming new content during all gameplay etc), I am totally supporting it. My personal life is surrounded by always-on internet connection anyway - from home wifi to LTE & 4G everywhere outside.
But if it is only for Microsoft's security reason, then no for me too.
But if it is only for Microsoft's security reason, then no for me too.
valkillmore
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Voice of Reason
Banned
Enthusiast bloggers can post review on "major publications?" Color me surprised.
Too late for a major architecture change, realistically.
The real barrier is team names. Maybe we'd have to separate Team True into two separate camps, the ones who think the rumors are true, and the ones that think the rumors are true and like it.
UberTag
Member
Larry's proven himself to be very capable in that role. More than most people.
Plus, he understands how to use Twitter.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
PR that does not confirm or deny anything is useless. It's like when you ask your parents if you can get ice cream on the way home and they say "maybe" - it always means no...
That's not what always online means.
What you are describing is known as 'features.'
Always Online means you have to be online in order to play your game, simple as that.
If there is an outage in your area, then you are out of luck.
If the servers go down, see: SimCity, Diablo 3, every MMO launch, you are out of luck.
If someone hacks the system, DDOS's it, or just a server outage, see: PS3, 360, you are out of luck.
That wouldn't be an architecture change, more like just a software change.
An architecture change would be going from x86-64 to PPC right now, this would be much simpler.
R3TRODYCE
Member
I can just imagine the conference now...
"The Xbox 720 entertainment system brings you unparalleled social connectivity only possible through Xbox Live. With an always on connection, you and your friends are always connected all the time. Purchase new gamerpics, check out some new Doritos snack deals, or buy the latest horse armor DLC, all from the comfort of your living room."
It pains me to say this but this post is so accurate.
ThisWreckage
Banned
You're missing the point. A gaming console is not a cell phone. That's exactly what Microsoft is positioning this thing as, however. They're wanting the next Xbox to be a cell phone in the living room that also functions as Nielson's rating box. I am disgusted how many people are shrugging their shoulders at this. Can you imagine if you wanted to pick up a game a year and a half later and the servers would shut down? Would you even be allowed to play it? What about next next generation when Microsoft WILL shut down the servers for Durango? Your console will be a paperweight. People are not thinking this through.
cr_blah_blah
Member
So Arthur wants someone to come up with a reason always online is a bad thing, but it can't be a tweet or forum post, It's almost like he wants a supposed game journalist to write an article on the subject. I wonder if he remembers that's what he thought he was before Microsoft gave the site that employs him $750k.
I disagree somewhat. Microsoft's plan from day 1 (original Xbox - not the 360) was to go after the living room with games acting as a trojan horse. Consequently, they spent billions doing whatever they can to gain a competitive advantage. This included implementing various services, rushing a console to market, redefining what it meant to be "hardcore" (hardcore did not mean graphics focused before they arrived), and bending over backwards to secure content.
Because the end goal was ultimately about controlling the living room, everyone should have expected Microsoft to eventually shift their focus to other avenues of entertainment, locking people into their ecosystem, & pleasing the mass market (i.e. people who wouldn't care if the gaming industry vanished tomorrow). They haven't forgotten anything. This was going to happen sooner or later & folks have been predicting this from the beginning
The only thing I can understand people being shocked about is how quickly the transition appears (nothing has been confirmed yet) to be happening. However, think about it. The gaming industry heavily relies on unsustainable business models & 3rd parties that try to wrestle money/power from 1st parties. I don't blame Microsoft for trying to distance themselves from that crap. On top of that they have to worry about Apple or Google dominating the living room first. It's understandable for them to want to wrap everything up now rather than stretch this transition out for another 3, 5, or 8 years. They may not be able to afford to do that.
The way things are shaping up, I probably won't buy their next system. However, I see where they may be coming from & can't get mad at them for attempting what appears (again, nothing's been confirmed) to be a power grab. If we were talking about necessities here, maybe I could get a little bit more worked up about it. However, we're not.
All you can infer from it is that he probably hasn't been fired.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
And yet another bad analogy. Yeah, of course it's always online, it's an MMO! That's not the issue. smh.
semiconscious
Member
simple, well-reasoned, non-snarky explanation:
'mandatory online is like forcing a variable into a formula that already works perfectly well...'
iow:
with consoles as they are right now, there's only one potential problem - hardware failure. but to the extent that it's the hardware that lets you play your games, it's a possibility you're willing to accept. so there's an upside (play games) & a downside (potential hardware failure)...
mandatory online offers no upside whatsoever. it only introduces a second downside - potential 'game over', owing to internet failure...
why would any reasonable person feel that it's a good idea, or no big deal, to introduce a feature that has absolutely no upside, but does have a downside?...
life's already full of unpleasant surprises. & it's reasonable people that prefer minimizing the chance of them happening
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eot
Banned
Imagine...
This was half the SC2:WoL LANs
UberTag
Member
Good way to motivate someone to upgrade to the next Xbox instead of playing their old one, though. Bet they wish they had put something like that in place for the 360.
Sure, but why do we have to be trafficking in such exception-laden scenarios in the first place?
Yes, that would be the clever thing to do in everything related with that person.
Is this guy retarded? Because based just on these tweets, I'm assuming he's retarded.
fargofallout
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It took them that long to say this? Wow.
dragonelite
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polygon a major publication?
TheJollyCorner
Member
I can just imagine the conference now...
"The Xbox 720 entertainment system brings you unparalleled social connectivity only possible through Xbox Live. With an always on connection, you and your friends are always connected all the time. Purchase new gamerpics, check out some new Doritos snack deals, or buy the latest horse armor DLC, all from the comfort of your living room."
I imagine it would go down exactly like this, yeah.
Sounds like the text-book PR 'dance around' confirmation.
Hopefully the audience responds with loud vocal displeasure, too.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Do you know how many people would be fucking pissed if their 360 stopped working due to servers being shut down upon the arrival of the Durango?
eot
Banned
MS thought enough of them to give almost a million dollars to them.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
No, he's just either stupid or an attention whore. I'm not sure which.
valkillmore
Member
I suspect that won't be the only 'official' word from MS regarding this debacle. The typical response pattern is to throw a generic, three line reply out there with not much detail to see if that quells the contention. If it doesn't, they'll respond again in a more direct way. You watch. This story isn't going anywhere. We WILL hear from MS again regarding this.
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Diggeh
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Can we ban Polygon as a source already? Even the place where you go for Nintendo news has more credibility then Gies.
It because of the elphant in the room
how do you respond to a rumor and bad press about a product you havnt announced yet
ThisWreckage
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CambriaRising
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Dreams-Visions
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how the fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq1ey4-ewyQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEWSO6NrQo (full set)
that's a goddamn shame. fix your ignorance RIGHT NOW.
Wow. Just wow at the attempted logic.
I see he's widening his job search to not just EA.
Sorry, what I mean is that their entire system (not just the box) is probably set up with this in mind. As the QWOP developer said, don't ask "what can go wrong with my internet connection," ask "why do they want the boxes to be always online?" So, for example, are they working on a robust ad sales business where they serve live ads with quick, reliable CPM numbers based on connected boxes? While that's just spitballin', it's the kind of model that would be baked into the P&L projections and very difficult to simply jettison.
Even though it might be trivial to change, changing their plans at this date (if they are doing it) would be a pretty quick pivot. Criticism and backlash changed nothing about Win8, too.
(For the record, I'm Team False, because nothing about this makes decent sense, and I'm an optimist.)
dragonelite
Member
Bad press is press bro.
JCreasy
Member
What's wrong? Is your Internet down? No? So go play it then! What's stopping you?
SEE THIS SHIT? PLAYING IN IRAQ, FUCK THESE GUYS
Seriously though playing Xbox on deployment was a big fucking deal for me. What else am I suppose to do? I not fucking reading books.
Sony should pull a combo-breaker and offer free PS+/
PS WORLD
Palette Swap
Member
It must have been the Windows ME or Zune guy who signed that check.
fargofallout
Member
Sorry, that came across wrong. I'm not commenting on what they said - I knew that's what it would be - I'm just amused that it took them almost 24 hours to respond with anything. This could have been out this morning. It wouldn't accomplish anything, but at least it would look like they're paying attention.
They already killed Xbox Live for the original Xbox so... there's (somewhat) of a precedent for this. This isn't a justification for it, but still.