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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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if UE4 is anything to go by, the future is blue
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he should not have mentioned online only at all. By doing so he as an official MS employee of semihigh rank on his twitter strengthened the rumours by quite a bit and broke against company policy and damaged MS reputation as well as their marketing/launch plans for their future console aimed towards a billion dollar market
Hmm, I subconsciously always associated Sony with the color blue ever since the PS2 boxes.
Microsoft - Green
Sony - Blue
Nintendo - Red
In fairness I think he would have had to get to detailed to do that. But like the poster above say blacksburg isn't some po dunk town. I thought that was weird maybe because it's somewhat in the mountains? I dont know the guys so out of touch maybe there idea of rural American is blacksburg.
Personally I give him the advantage on the rural America thing. I don't have a problem as explaining that as a joke. You could easily add "because I don't live/work there" to the tweet and it makes perfect sense. The way he dismisses legit concerns though about spotty internet and such is however a big fuck you to his customers.
That was perhaps the wise thing yes, but he could have gotten away with talking about it general terms. There wouldn't be this shitstorm if he did it proper. There are certainly arguments why it's a good thing for certain stakeholders. If he explained that in a rational matter the worst thing that would have happened was a slap on the wrists.
Tylahedras
Banned
We might be the vocal minority but MS is miscalculating broadband penetration if they go with this.
They do care, but there is a difference to catering exclusive to the vocal minority and taking them into consideration.
MS does care, but their goal is clear: sell as many units as possible and make the eco system as successful as possible. And that isn't weird, the same things applies to Sony.
The problem is that everybody can predict they are fucking themselves over so hard if they'd instate these policies. They are bringing a world of hurt onto themselves. When they are launching the console on Nov 22nd 2013 and on the first people notice they can't play games because they don't have a solid internet connection MS will have a media disaster. Much like the RROD and scratched discs.
The company goal is to create an ideal marketplace for itself and have you want it at the same time. They don't really care if it's optimal now because they are willing to drive interest and adoption. That why Microsoft is a good partner to have for third parties compared to say, Nintendo. Microsoft has invested billions in online infrastructure and they will invest billions for the chance to be the conduit for all their partners content as well as their own and the advertising that accompanies it. Everyone is riding their coat tails, so to speak.
In a perfect world they could wait for Broadband to catch up but that might mean Apple, Google, Sony or even Samsung gets the drop on them. And they are hoping to make it desirable and economically attractive enough that ISPS and governments are pushing for it as well. Microsoft isn't just a game company, they are a big market player that makes huge waves that affect peoples day to day lives. Or at least they aspire for that relevance again.
In a perfect world they could wait for Broadband to catch up but that might mean Apple, Google, Sony or even Samsung gets the drop on them. And they are hoping to make it desirable and economically attractive enough that ISPS and governments are pushing for it as well. Microsoft isn't just a game company, they are a big market player that makes huge waves that affect peoples day to day lives. Or at least they aspire for that relevance again.
I think this is an interesting point. I'm completely against always online, but in a strange way it could be a catalyst and a wake up call to governments and ISPs all over the world that their infrastructure is not growing at the rate at which technology is and changes need to be made.The company goal is to create an ideal marketplace for itself and have you want it at the same time. They don't really care if it's optimal now because they are willing to drive interest and adoption. That why Microsoft is a good partner to have for third parties compared to say, Nintendo. Microsoft has invested billions in online infrastructure and they will invest billions for the chance to be the conduit for all their partners content as well as their own and the advertising that accompanies it. Everyone is riding their coat tails, so to speak.
In a perfect world they could wait for Broadband to catch up but that might mean Apple, Google, Sony or even Samsung gets the drop on them. And they are hoping to make it desirable and economically attractive enough that ISPS and governments are pushing for it as well. Microsoft isn't just a game company, they are a big market player that makes huge waves that affect peoples day to day lives. Or at least they aspire for that relevance again.
Theoretically, if it got to a point where it was as stable as any of the services Adam Orth made comparisons to, always online would matter far less and people wouldn't be complaining about it like the one time their power went out not due to inclement weather or something out of the electric company's control (which is probably never in actuality).
It's just nobody wants to be a test dummy for change that won't be instantaneous or even short term.
Hey look another article that can't distinguish "always on" and "always online." Becomes even more clear when he confusingly then suggests all the devices will have offline modes. And don't get me started on that "likely have high speed cable connections" quip, as if that suddenly makes them reliable or something.
Sorry but do people here really think that durango will help lead the charge into improvement of the broadband infrastructure around the world?
This has got to be a joke. My local council (in UK) has been bombarded from local businesses and residents, who pay taxes to them, for over 5 years for improvements to be made. Yet everytime they get turned down because of cost and disruption.
However, do you really think that because a foreign company, that has a stupid notion that a games console needs to be online, is going to suddenly change their mind?
Sorry but thats utter nonsense...
This has got to be a joke. My local council (in UK) has been bombarded from local businesses and residents, who pay taxes to them, for over 5 years for improvements to be made. Yet everytime they get turned down because of cost and disruption.
However, do you really think that because a foreign company, that has a stupid notion that a games console needs to be online, is going to suddenly change their mind?
Sorry but thats utter nonsense...
Karsticles
Member
I think the article is clear, but people are using "always on" to mean "always online".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always-on_DRM
Sure it's Wikipedia, but it states both of them as the same thing.
Sure it's Wikipedia, but it states both of them as the same thing.
Was the article that was a catalyst for this thread also confusing the two?
"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started"
"If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time-currently three minutes -the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
The fact that Sweet Billy kicked off so soon after this article & the discussion that surrounded it, certainly put some meat on that rumour.
He says all the devices will have an offline mode though.. which directly contradicts any "always online" DRM.
That's confusing within itself.
This is probably what's likely happening. An offline state to do offline stuff which is pretty much listening to music, managing storage and looking at pictures.
This is Paul Thurrot we are talking about here.. someone who is one of the most reliable sources on Microsoft, the man who said that the conference was delayed to May 21st and someone who is dedicated to covering Microsoft and has done multiple books on all the versions of Windows. I read the article and he knows it's always on DRM. He also never suggested that high speeds make anything reliable.
Offline modes are in reference to other Windows 8 devices, NOT durango.
Thats how I read it. He just worded it poorly.
If he is still woking for MS, you can bet he is in the naughty boy corner and told to keep quiet.
If he is fired, he wont want to be anywhere near places like GAF & Twitter right now. Hell, maybe even "always offline" maybe a possibility
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01qrzaZg7_g#t=54m44
Paul Thurrott on the recent What the Tech Podcast mentioned that:
- New Xbox 360 releasing for $99 as a competitor to things like Roku.
- Durango will be expensive 500 dollars, 300 with a subscription.. "that kind of thing" (a guess perhaps?)
- Durango notes say it "must be internet connected to use" but Thurrot himself says he doesn't know what the specific details are.
Paul Thurrott on the recent What the Tech Podcast mentioned that:
- New Xbox 360 releasing for $99 as a competitor to things like Roku.
- Durango will be expensive 500 dollars, 300 with a subscription.. "that kind of thing" (a guess perhaps?)
- Durango notes say it "must be internet connected to use" but Thurrot himself says he doesn't know what the specific details are.
the_prime_mover
Member
Amazing that at the start of this gen Oblivion getting 10,000 posts was a big deal. Either this community has grown a lot in the past few years or Microsoft better hope their console being always online isn't true.
At this point I am very concerned that if the console is always online then a group like Anonymous is going to bring down the network in the name of "justice" or "consumer protection". So even if I was o.k. with always online (which I am not) then I wouldn't be getting this system anyway.
At this point I am very concerned that if the console is always online then a group like Anonymous is going to bring down the network in the name of "justice" or "consumer protection". So even if I was o.k. with always online (which I am not) then I wouldn't be getting this system anyway.
People rarely get fired for being evil. They get fired for stupid lack of judgement all the time.
If Anonymous start attacking, I can see them trying as soon as this feature is announced. If they brought down xbox live while durango is taking pre-orders, it would be more damaging than waiting for the consoles release
This sounds like it's going to fucking suck.
Price stuff probably worthy of new thread.
He also mentions early November release.
Public shaming - yes. Some form of Internet justice and ridicule - yes. Taking away a man's (or woman's) livelihood for making snarky comments - no. That's taking it too far. Way too far. Its not like he made racist comments or threatened someone. He is not even the decision maker or the person responsible for designing the next Xbox to be always online. He is simply a game creator who bought into the corporate speak and the self-contained, insulating bubble of the company he works for.
I'm starting to wonder why people are taking it to such an extreme. I think we are past the point where we can feign outrage at his comments, so I wonder if its a scenario where people are trying to send a message to Microsoft by letting them know that the vocal portion of the gaming community does not want an always-online box.
Adam Orth seems to be the outlet for this rage and it feels like people are saying to Microsoft, "See what we did to your guy? That's just a small taste of whats coming if you go through with this."
"Is that a bad thing? Is that a bad thing?" courtesy of host.
Also, another insinuation that the event has been moved to May.
That price speculation doesn't instill confidence in me for the PS4's price. :/
Thurrot mentioned last month that it is pushed to May 21st.
Everything I have seen from Sony and the PS4 so far installs me with confidence in knowing they have learned from their mistakes.
Well, they said we won't be seeing $599. But if Microsoft is doing $499, I can see Sony doing it too. Sony is including a 3D camera with every box too (required for log in), not just MS with Kinect.
Then there's obviously the RAM. I can see MS doing anywhere from $399 to $499 for the real deal, but I have no idea how big of losses Sony will be willing to take.
NullPointer
Member
I'm still optimistic because the PS4 doesn't have to pack a Kinect 2.0 in every box.
There are rumors that they will have the PSEye in the box though.
I do admit that Sony seems to have learned from their mistakes. But then we have the PSVita which launched last year...
Doesn't it have that camera thing packed in with every PS4? And isn't it required?
^^^
Yea the PSEye.
They already said the PSEye will be required to log in as it detects your face/controller.
Not much room for interpretation..
What the fuck? Link? I have not heard that at all.
Haha I live in a fucking desert, PHX, AZ. Internet down or not, last thing I want to do is go outside on a summer day.
In before "Why would I live there?". That's the point, you don't want to live here, believe me.
Source?
According to what I know: The login via PSeye in is from the GDC of a possible way to do logins, not that it will be required.
Uh, what's your source for that?
I have never heard this either.
lol. You are mad that people are jumping to conclusions with the always-online news but you actually manage to write this little chestnut.
"required to log in?" Where did you hear that? Why is it even supposed to be packed-in?
That has by no means been confirmed. We'd certainly throw a fit over that too, if true.
NullPointer
Member
Think he's full of BS.