Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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the chart says 293 which is a little under 5 hours, but in the article the author says 6. so who knows.
edit: snooze i lose. anyway i'm interested to see how well Windows 8 helps out in terms of battery life, it seems like every thing that Microsoft does in 8 is all about increasing the battery life.
edit: snooze i lose. anyway i'm interested to see how well Windows 8 helps out in terms of battery life, it seems like every thing that Microsoft does in 8 is all about increasing the battery life.
Just setting expectations for IVB devices and how they cannot match ARM (Surface RT, iPad, Android, etc) for power efficiency in general. Not specific to Surface Pro, which won't be a mass market device due to its price and features anyway.
I'm pretty sure people shopping for a computer are aware of these constraints.
Given your posting in this thread ... it's hard to not assume this is more about agenda than anything.
In what time zone does 293 minutes = 6 hours? It's not even 5 hours!
Ipad 2 with the 32nm SOC gets 15.7 hours of video with half the battery capacity, so it's about 6 times more efficient than IVB for video:
was copying and pasting.
Anyway I don't see why your comparing it to the ipad 2. Whats the point ? Can i run any of my windows x86/64 bit programs on my ipad ? Or any of my windows games on the ipad ?
these tests were performed using 100nints on the LCD screen. I'm not sure what it means , is it at the lcd brightness at 100% ?
Nothing wrong with the RT version except for a lack of apps. It'll be a better buy for 95% of the people looking for a tablet compared to the Pro.
Still, I don't think Tegra 3 is as power efficient or fast as the SOC in the iPad or Samsung tablets, but it'll be close and a world of difference from IVB.
Technosteve
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i have a weird feeling this thing will be very expensive and if the statements from Asus's president are true they will withdraw from the market.
Luckily it's rumored to not be using Tegra 3
Don't see the point of running software not designed for touchscreen on a touchscreen device. RT is the better buy all it needs is a better screen.
That appears to be a veiled comment to MS.
That is what the keyboard and trackpad are for.
What statement was that?
Great, I'm sure MS isn't dying to buy chips from NVidia
Not when superior Samsung and Qualcomm alternatives are available.
I think lack of a LTE version is also going to hamper sales, they need to offer something there...
what is it rumored to use? i thought tegra 3 was the rumor.
KB/trackpads designed for 10.6" devices or smaller universally suck, the 11.6" MBA keyboard is the minimum generally acceptable keyboard size for the general user and even that is borderline too small. And I'm talking about physical keyboards here. Touch keyboards will never amount to anything other than "lifestyle" usage.
The Pro is a niche machine, don't see it exceeding 1-2M in sales. The RT on the other hand will sell a lot more.
Angelus Errare
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Tegra3+
dude man stop the trolling
The transformer prime uses a quad core tegra 3 . twice the ram and twice the storage capcity along with a larger higher res screen than the ipad 2 and is on 40nm vs 32nm of the ipad 2
Rumor has it that the RT is using Wayne which is the next gen tegra 4 which is on 32/28nm
hmmm , yea your right its not like there is a 3mm thick keyboard / cover thing they are selling with the device right ?
Not like there isn't a usb 3.0 plug in which i can plug a full sized keyboard and mouse into if i need to do serious work .
NullPointer
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Not so fast ....Great, I'm sure MS isn't dying to buy chips from NVidia
Not when superior Samsung and Qualcomm alternatives are available.
I think lack of a LTE version is also going to hamper sales, they need to offer something there...
There are rumors that it is actually Tegra 3+.
There seems to be some confusion whether Tegra 3+ is an intermediate part (die shrunk), or actually is 'Wayne'. Tom's Hardware seems to think the 3+ is Wayne though. And if it is, it utterly destroys Tegra 3 on all levels.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Tegra-Wayne-Grey-Icera,15407.html
quad-core Cortex A15 CPU ... low power companion core ... totally new GPU w/ current features ... all die shrunk to 28nm
Also to coldfeet's point, this leaves open the possibility of an LTE offering (assuming it can even physically fit).
Did you mean for while you're using it (like carrying a spare)? In that case, yeah ... hopefully its' underneath the kick stand.
I thought you meant like how some phones/tablets have a sealed case and you can't do a user replacement at all.
It relaly depends on where the battery is and if its even something that is a quick removal after the screws are gone cause you can allways just add in thumb screws
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/8
and here is the second one with the fixed unit and further tests
Technosteve
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The iPad 2 on that chart is 45nm not the 32nm version.dude man stop the trolling
The transformer prime uses a quad core tegra 3 . twice the ram and twice the storage capcity along with a larger higher res screen than the ipad 2 and is on 40nm vs 32nm of the ipad 2
I guarantee you that windows 8 on a MBA (or another ultrabook with a decent screen + mousepad/keyboard) will give you a better experience than Surface Pro.
Unless you like carrying external USB keyboards with you...
and ? seems like tegra is on par with the apple chips on similar micron levels. 45nm ipad 2 looses 2 a 40nm tegra 3 and a 32nm apple chip lasts longer than a 40nm tegra 3.
how will the 32nm apple chip fair against a 28nm wayne ?
Your trolling hard but your coming up short .
How does it lose? I see 13 hours vs 11 at best they're equal with the more pixels on screen with the Prime.
I doubt it considering that a MBA or ultra book will never be a tablet . While the surface pro can double as a ultrabook /mba
I was fine with my hp 311 keyboard that was a 11.6 incher but if you look at it the keyboards didn't go to the edge there was a large border on the sides.
I know your trying to find the cons , but face it the PRO is a real computer while the ipad isn't . The pro is a real tablet while the MBA isn't .
So with the PRO you get the best of both worlds while you'd need a Ipad + a MBA to get teh same experiance as the PRO
If you're interested in Metro apps, the RT is the tablet for you.Yup, the touchscreen on the MBA will be much more responsive when using Metro apps.
That's got me thinking. The logical location would be at the bottom so it isn't top-heavy when using in laptop mode and is typically held in landscape. With that in mind there's a decent chance it is behind the kickstand?
Ah OK.
I misread your comment and that you meant ASUS was thinking about bailing out because of the move. I was about to say if it was ASUS and that's what they actually meant ... that would be insane levels of hypocrisy given they're working on Google's Nexus tablet
Why can you not run them on the PRO ?
It's a compromise that's too heavy and thick for a tablet with miserable battery life, and it's too small to be a usable laptop for serious productivity. That's why it will sell only in niche numbers.
An ultrabook and a tablet (MBA or Ultrabook + iPad or RT) will ultimately weigh less than a Pro and all the accessories you will have to carry with it. It will also be far more usable as you'll get a lightweight tablet with great battery life when you need one, and a laptop of decent size and power when you don't.
2.38 lbs ultrabook + 1.44 lbs tablet = 3.82 lbs
2 lbs surface pro + 0.5 lbs usb keyboard + 0.2 lbs mouse + 1 lbs extra battery so you get the equivalent battery life as the combo above = 3.7 lbs
Marty Chinn
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What if you want both, you know like the whole point of Windows 8 which you clearly don't get?
That's got me thinking. The logical location would be at the bottom so it isn't top-heavy when using in laptop mode and is typically held in landscape. With that in mind there's a decent chance it is behind the kickstand?
Ah OK.
I misread your comment and that you meant ASUS was thinking about bailing out because of the move. I was about to say if it was ASUS and that's what they actually meant ... that would be insane levels of hypocrisy given they're working on Google's Nexus tablet
i can't see the battery any where.
Why would you want to run them on a brick of a tablet with active cooling fans and poor battery life?
It's Transformer Prime vs iPad ... the Prime has more pixels.
You can still run both without a touchscreen, at least that's how everyone here ganged up on me when I suggested it wasn't a good idea.
Can you be a little saltier and make your hyperbole a bit more shrill?
I'm curious. Do you actually think you're being subtle?
-Pyromaniac-
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Do my dreams count as a reliable source because in them, the pro model was 729.99.
Marty Chinn
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So touch interface is pointless? Thanks for letting me know the iPad is pointless.
This is nonsense. As I've pointed out multiple times, the Pro has a BIGGER battery than the 11" MBA (42W-h vs 35W-h). Add the weight of the physical keyboard case, and you're still way under iPad+MBA. Additionally, it's thinner and lighter, should have better battery life, has a touchscreen + pen input, and has a MUCH better screen than the MBA.
If the Surface Pro is "too small to be a usable laptop" then by that argument the MBA is also too small to be usable...
It may very well sell only niche numbers because of the price, but I have a feeling that businesses will pick these things up. And I went into this announcement expecting to hate it, but now I am also intrigued by the Surface Pro.
Brainfart, I meant Prime of course, so that's why it's at best equal with the more pixels making up for it a little bit.
Having both on the same device is pointless, or at best, niche.
It is pointless or niche if you are using an OS that isn't designed for touch input, like OS X.
Fortunately it looks like Windows 8 has been built for touch input.
Anton Sugar
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I...actually found myself trying to touch my works laptop screen. It was weird.
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