That is a fun watch but any connection to Mitt is tenuous at best.
MITT - Netflix Documentary on Romney's election campaign (Streaming now on Netflix)
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Tim the Wiz
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Exactly. A 'nice' family. But they definitely live in a bubble.
ginger ninja
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watched it and was certainly a bit taken back..his campaign really did fail with the message, he felt like a good champ with a tight knit family compared to the rather douchebag cold guy image i had of him back in 2012
edit: worth mentioning that this was less bias than i was expecting it to be
edit: worth mentioning that this was less bias than i was expecting it to be
Napoleonthechimp
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The documentary felt weak and sanitised. It feels like the filmmakers had to give the final say and approval from the Romney family before release.
I really did like the one exchange he has with McCain in 2008, where McCain is listing his experience in the Senate as a way to beat Obama. Romney just replied by listing three other democrats in the primary who all said the same thing, and basically "look where it got them."
Shows the arrogance of McCain and how he had no clue, nor did the GOP, of how to handle Barry in 08.
Shows the arrogance of McCain and how he had no clue, nor did the GOP, of how to handle Barry in 08.
And yet, you're the one who keeps harping on it.
BertramCooper
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I'll watch it soon, but I pretty much know it will go.
When it comes to Republicans - specifically old-school wealthy Republicans like Mittens - they're quite often very nice and personable people.
The problem is they're almost all completely oblivious to everyone and everything outside of their social class. And they use a "tough love" stance to justify the policies that harm the lower classes and conveniently benefit the upper class.
If there is any value to humanizing Mitt in a documentary like this, it's to show the extreme disparity between his generally affable personality and his elitist political agenda.
When it comes to Republicans - specifically old-school wealthy Republicans like Mittens - they're quite often very nice and personable people.
The problem is they're almost all completely oblivious to everyone and everything outside of their social class. And they use a "tough love" stance to justify the policies that harm the lower classes and conveniently benefit the upper class.
If there is any value to humanizing Mitt in a documentary like this, it's to show the extreme disparity between his generally affable personality and his elitist political agenda.
Calamari41
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Harping on it? I only said it once to that guy trying to get him to back down. Every subsequent post of mine has been a reply to someone else directly quoting me. I was happy to stop posting after my statement to Bulbo.
RustyNails
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Yeah that's my biggest complaint. My guess is that when Mitt Romney allowed "full access" to the documentary crew, he had a clause in the contract where he gets to decide what can get published in the final cut. So I'm thinking he removed the reactions to the 47% comments, Please Proceed Governor, VP pick process, Chris Christie and Obama's bromance during Sandy (I heard that during the campaign, Romney was FURIOUS with Christie) and his comments about the nominies.
I watched this last night. I was kind of disappointed by the documentary in general. It certainly had it's moments, and it did it's best to humanize Romney. But, I think that it was pretty light on substance overall. It skipped the primaries and most of the important moments of the general. The '08 part was interesting, but again, not enough for me to really want it in the movie.
Provided there was more footage i feel like this might have been better served as a short mini series. First cover 08, then 12 primaries, then 12 general. Did not feel like you got enough substance from any of it otherwise.
Provided there was more footage i feel like this might have been better served as a short mini series. First cover 08, then 12 primaries, then 12 general. Did not feel like you got enough substance from any of it otherwise.
The final scene where Mitt and his wife are sitting apart from one another is probably the saddest scene in the entire documentary. They don't seem to have problems being affection ate towards one another earlier in the movie, so it seemed really weird to end on that note.
BertramCooper said:
It's the "I've got mine" syndrome, where people only care about the poor or disadvantaged up until they're not one themselves.
err, you're the one who brought it up when no one was talking about it, and then claimed that because some people somewhere over a year ago made fun of a dumb gaffe, that was reason enough to not debate them on worthwhile issues -- like that Romney hadn't hired those women in the first place, ya know.
Allforce
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I just watched this and after having read Double Down: Game Change 2012 in the last month this doc was really underwhelming. I understand it was about Mitt but that book delved into the reactions and strategies from his team in such a way that this film was never going to allow us to see. I can't wait for the HBO movie based on the book just to see the scene when Romney's campaign manager ran out of the green room and vomited after Clint Eastwoods complete insanity at the RNC, which none of them had seen coming or prepared for.
Read that book if you want to learn about how shit really hit the fan during all the gaffes of the 2012 election, it's a fascinating read.
Read that book if you want to learn about how shit really hit the fan during all the gaffes of the 2012 election, it's a fascinating read.
Thanks for the recommendation I'm gonna check that out. As far as the lack of actual political strategy in the documentary I kinda expected that going in. I highly doubt that Romney would have allowed that kind of access, things said in actual political strategy sessions are just not things the public should be allowed to see, or should I say not something a politician would want them to see. I mean think of what a real look at how they picked their VP would look, I picture a bunch of advisers and Romney looking at lists and pictures of Republicans and giving super frank assessments, "too stupid," "too liberal," "reminds us too much of Sarah Palin," at which point they would probably go into a detour discussing the disaster of McCain picking Palin. That kind of stuff are things no politician would want seen and would probably end the careers of those political/campaign advisers.
At the same time it would have been nice to see ANYTHING from the 2012 primaries. Or to hear Romney or his family try to explain the 47% comments in an earnest fashion.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
"I was talking to papa John from papa johns pizza..."
Favorite quote so far
Favorite quote so far
I loved that part because it's such bullshit, its easy for "Papa John" to say that when he is sitting on a multimillion dollar empire. "Yeah, I totally wouldn't start my business now. Excuse me while I wipe my tears with hundred dollar bills and then charge you a fucking delivery fee on top."
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
alright, well, the documentary was only so so in my mind. it was interesting to see some of the things that happened, but there was a very weak narrative and it didn't really string together all that well for me.
i kind of didn't understand what they were talking about a few times so i was just kind of lost as to why they were talking about it for 5 minutes straight.
they also glossed over a couple of "important" parts of his campaign -- i suppose in an effort to stay neutral and not to beat on the head that his campaign was going terribly. it was trying to focus on "the other stuff."
eh. i dont think id recommend it, really.
i kind of didn't understand what they were talking about a few times so i was just kind of lost as to why they were talking about it for 5 minutes straight.
they also glossed over a couple of "important" parts of his campaign -- i suppose in an effort to stay neutral and not to beat on the head that his campaign was going terribly. it was trying to focus on "the other stuff."
eh. i dont think id recommend it, really.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
according to
http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-corporate-income-tax-rates-income-years-1909-2012
1983-1984
Over $100,000 - 46%
1994-2012
Over $18,333,333 - 35%
that's just income taxes, though. there are other taxes that have been put in place since then and there's probably healthcare to take into account as well
Kitschkraft
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It was okay I guess...as others have said, it felt extremely tame.
The only time we got even a little bit of nastiness was a small part where his wife was mocking Michelle "I still love you, I still love you"...outside of that, they didn't really show the pettiness that I assume presidential elections are full of.
Romney comes off as either kinda self-deprecating (Never seemed particularly confident to me), or kinda defensive (That flip-flopper label reaalllly burned his soul). That was probably the most surprising aspect to me....thought all these politicians were ultra-competitive, he seemed kinda timid.
I think it would have helped if they at least focused on one of the campaign people that wasn't a family member. Really feel like this needed more input from a staffer. For instance, the argument at the end about his concession speech....that's the kinda stuff that's interesting, wanted more of that.
The only time we got even a little bit of nastiness was a small part where his wife was mocking Michelle "I still love you, I still love you"...outside of that, they didn't really show the pettiness that I assume presidential elections are full of.
Romney comes off as either kinda self-deprecating (Never seemed particularly confident to me), or kinda defensive (That flip-flopper label reaalllly burned his soul). That was probably the most surprising aspect to me....thought all these politicians were ultra-competitive, he seemed kinda timid.
I think it would have helped if they at least focused on one of the campaign people that wasn't a family member. Really feel like this needed more input from a staffer. For instance, the argument at the end about his concession speech....that's the kinda stuff that's interesting, wanted more of that.
The Dutch Slayer
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Watched it tonight.
I thought it was pretty BAD, poorly edited poorly paced.
It could have been fantastic, but the movie jumped all over the place.
Moments with his family were cute but nothing new or major.
I thought it was pretty BAD, poorly edited poorly paced.
It could have been fantastic, but the movie jumped all over the place.
Moments with his family were cute but nothing new or major.
I just read an interview with the director about this the other day, and he said the answer he got from Romney about the 47% remark was the same answer he had given out to everyone else.
Personally I don't mind the lack of coverage on 47% or the VP selection (which, while interesting, would have probably felt tangential). I think the biggest, strangest missed opportunity is the jump from '08 to '12. The entire family does a complete 180 from "We're never doing this again" to feeling stronger about it than ever before, but what changed?
Just watched it. It was okay. I felt like the director could have been a little more involved perhaps. For example, the interview with his son where he asks him what he REALLY means when he is asked "is it worth it" was great. But that's the only time we really get him prodding.
XANDER CAGE
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Have people seen these?
cartoon_soldier
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Sums up my feelings a bit:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/the-arrogance-of-mitt/283725/
If anything, this documentary makes it clear that people made the right choice in 2012.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/the-arrogance-of-mitt/283725/
If anything, this documentary makes it clear that people made the right choice in 2012.
DoktorEvil
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Had he held and ran against a weaker, non populous Standing President, he'd win.
The guys got some balls running against a President with that kind of momentum.
I don't think Mitt's a necessarily bad guy. He is kind of out of touch, and tries to be "in" with the folks(that stop at a fast food joint is dangerous, no matter who runs for president), but I never had the feeling that him as commander in chief was a really bad thing.
I was a registered Democrat and voted for the guy. He had more policies that appealed to me than the hawk that Obama is.
This documentary, if anything, confirms that the general public really didn't know the guy. I think it's safe to say that most GAFfers after watching still don't know the guy.
The guys got some balls running against a President with that kind of momentum.
I don't think Mitt's a necessarily bad guy. He is kind of out of touch, and tries to be "in" with the folks(that stop at a fast food joint is dangerous, no matter who runs for president), but I never had the feeling that him as commander in chief was a really bad thing.
I was a registered Democrat and voted for the guy. He had more policies that appealed to me than the hawk that Obama is.
This documentary, if anything, confirms that the general public really didn't know the guy. I think it's safe to say that most GAFfers after watching still don't know the guy.
cartoon_soldier
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Not sure if serious. The documentary only confirms that mitt and his family believe he was anointed as the country's savior or something.
And the documentary sheds zero light on his policies or why his policies are the way they were. And you just called the guy mitt was calling socialist, weak a hawk.
DoktorEvil
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Don't get me wrong, I don't sip the kool aid he was drinking.
I only consulted the policies that his website had established as talking points. I knew a bit way before the documentary.
Mitt is the closest thing I feel we have to Nelson Rockefeller. I happen to think that a moderate republican is better than a moderate democrat.
Mitt didn't play his hand well. You don't think Obama has been hawkish as far as his foreign policy is concerned?
cartoon_soldier
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Romney's whole foreign policy attack on Obama was that he is a weak President. Romney criticized Obama for letting the Arab spring happen. About his only policy goal was that he would spend more on defense.
If anything, Romney always sounded more hawkish than Obama when he talked about Foreign Policy. If you think Romney was going to be more peacenik than Obama, I don't really know what to say.
If Romney was President right now, we would have not had the Iran nuclear deal (how Hawkish of Obama). Anyway, this is not the right thread to discuss politics, I welcome you to come over to Poligaf - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=745510&page=80
DeviantBoi
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Saw this last night on Netflix.
Gotta say... I don't agree with the man's policy, but he genuinely seemed like a nice guy.
His children, too.
Dunno if the whole thing was just a fluff piece to make him look good, but it made me rethink my opinion of him.
I don't think Trump and his children are gonna have the same reaction that Mitt and his family had when they were told they had lost Florida and Iowa. Even in that moment, Mitt came in with a joke to lighten the mood.
Who knows if he could have done something about Trump, though, if he had decided to run this year. I don't blame him.
Gotta say... I don't agree with the man's policy, but he genuinely seemed like a nice guy.
His children, too.
Dunno if the whole thing was just a fluff piece to make him look good, but it made me rethink my opinion of him.
I don't think Trump and his children are gonna have the same reaction that Mitt and his family had when they were told they had lost Florida and Iowa. Even in that moment, Mitt came in with a joke to lighten the mood.
Who knows if he could have done something about Trump, though, if he had decided to run this year. I don't blame him.
I didn't know there were people out there that didn't find him generally likeable. I know compared to trump he looks like a sweet little puppy, but he still came off as much more normal and reasonable than the rest of the freaks in 2012
Before he had to appeal to the base, he came across as a reasonable politician much like McCain. I might not support everything they stand for, but neither seemed batshit off the rails insane
I forget which one it was, but one of his older sons seemed like a huge asshole to me.
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