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Miyamoto now on IGN!
- Thread starter Waimea
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Nintendo is accepting its roll as a niche console.
No development kits yet out (WTF with PS3 launching next Spring?)
No firm specs
cheaper, more profitable, but less powerful console
a select few third party support
SOUNDS LIKE GAMECUBE
The controller can't be that magical. Its not like they can place buttons in mysterious places to make the experience so incredibly better. I don't care if it has gyros and a touch screen, its still a fucking controller.
No development kits yet out (WTF with PS3 launching next Spring?)
No firm specs
cheaper, more profitable, but less powerful console
a select few third party support
SOUNDS LIKE GAMECUBE
The controller can't be that magical. Its not like they can place buttons in mysterious places to make the experience so incredibly better. I don't care if it has gyros and a touch screen, its still a fucking controller.
Leatherface
Member
Doc Holliday said:
Exactly.
-1 Nintendo fan.
You fucked up this time nintendo.
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but this interview was refreshing to me. I'm glad that they're not pandering to the "OMG NINTENDO WILL BE #1 AGAIN!" crowd. They're doing what they want to do, which has been hugely successful for the past 20+ years, and not worrying about what Sony/MS are upto. This is what I like about Nintendo. 
Edit: And I think what will end up separating this machine from GC, is that a lot of the ideas that were never fully realized on the Cube, will finally come to fruition on the Rev. Things like connectivity, backwards compatibility, online play, etc. will all be there this time around, not to mention the usual stable of Nintendo games and select 3rd party games, and I'm already sold.
Edit: And I think what will end up separating this machine from GC, is that a lot of the ideas that were never fully realized on the Cube, will finally come to fruition on the Rev. Things like connectivity, backwards compatibility, online play, etc. will all be there this time around, not to mention the usual stable of Nintendo games and select 3rd party games, and I'm already sold.
pestul said:What I'm wondering is.. does Nintendo have enough cash to completely fail a generation (I mean much worse than Gamecube) and survive for another gen, where either they can decide to smarten the fuck up, or make more stupid mistakes.
I'm sure the GC was/is profitable... It's not profitability that's on the table, cause Nintendo will always have it based on IP alone... It's weather Nintendo realizes that they can increase profitability by going third-party, think about it...
Hey, if you like Nintendo games revolution should still be appealing. However, this e3 should disabuse anyone of the notion that Nintendo is going to rise up and dethrone Sony. They don't even want to compete on that plane. Nintendo is obviously at peace with where they now stand in the gaming universe, I can't imagine why any fan would not be. In the end, the prettiest Nintendo games to date will only be on revolution.
gamergirly
Member
There's only TWO choices at this point:
A)Nintendo truly have something that's revolutionary. We will ALL be pwned whenever they reveal it. They were right for not showing it. They become a true driving force for next-gen, stepping on Sony and MS's philosophies. We will all understand then why they are not toting technology(regardless of whether Rev's power).
OR
B)Nintendo is content on becoming a REAL niche game company. What they have is not revolutionary but enough to satisfy hardcore Nintendo fans(+ fanboys/girls). Third party support is slim due to Nintendo's dominance on the machine. They lose a good chunk of fanbase. Next gen, they either move on to other industry fields or they go third party.
Either way, Perrin Kaplan was right on the risks they are taking. It's either A or B, there is NO middle when youre going on a path that uses innovation and what your company feels is something "revolutionary".
A)Nintendo truly have something that's revolutionary. We will ALL be pwned whenever they reveal it. They were right for not showing it. They become a true driving force for next-gen, stepping on Sony and MS's philosophies. We will all understand then why they are not toting technology(regardless of whether Rev's power).
OR
B)Nintendo is content on becoming a REAL niche game company. What they have is not revolutionary but enough to satisfy hardcore Nintendo fans(+ fanboys/girls). Third party support is slim due to Nintendo's dominance on the machine. They lose a good chunk of fanbase. Next gen, they either move on to other industry fields or they go third party.
Either way, Perrin Kaplan was right on the risks they are taking. It's either A or B, there is NO middle when youre going on a path that uses innovation and what your company feels is something "revolutionary".
Error Macro
Member
DrLazy said:
I'm also getting the feeling that this time next year, at E3, we're going to be wondering if Nintendo is even going to reveal a release date for their new console. I don't think it's going to be out when the PS3 launches, or even shortly after. They just don't give a shit anymore. Funnily enough, neither do I.
And I do care if the controller has gyros and a touch screen. I simply do not want that shit on a controller. Give me a normal controller, you freaking asshats.
ImNotLikeThem
Member
I'm pretty sure all that was meant by the Third Parties comment was about Nintendo working directly with them, eg F-Zero, Star Fox Assault, etc. At least thats the way its worded certainly sounds more like that.
Nintendo going it's own path is not fine. They're not even listening to what thier fans wanted. They've always been able to keep up in the hardware end of things (power), so why the fuck can't they now? I think they're just pussies who want more money. Game Over. Fuck. Sign me up for PS3. 
*I've always been a graphics whore, and Nintendo + PC has satisfied this for me.
**And I still love Nintendo games so I might still fucking buy it.. gah
*I've always been a graphics whore, and Nintendo + PC has satisfied this for me.
**And I still love Nintendo games so I might still fucking buy it.. gah
Seriously I think at this point Nintendo has embraced that they are not going to compete with the other two for mass market and the nintendo fans should accept that too. And not take it as a bad thing. They may not be the number one console in homes but honestly why should gamers give a shit, if they are giving you what you want then just be happy about it. They are in a perfect position to be a great selling number 2 console. Especially if next gen consoles wil be nearing the 400 or 500 mark a 200 dollar game console will look much more attractive as a 2nd console and practical then having two 500 dollar consoles. And by offering downloadable back library games, online and from the sounds of it more open to smaller developers with neat ideas (Katamari) it will be a nice console to have to compliment a PS3 or Xbox360. The only thing that can hurt them at this point is if the controller is way too wacky.
WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR NINTENDO
-Self admission that Nintendogs is a non-game.
-Using DS as a benchmark/excuse for lack of Rev power/specs.
-Blatantly saying that they're going to go "the path less travelled" instead of go up vs. MS & Sony.
They're fucking clueless. All this crap about trying to appeal to non-gamers... how does that make you guys feel? You're all obviously GAMERS. You post on a VIDEOGAME MESSAGE BOARD ON THE INTERNET. Nintendo apparently doesn't give a shit about you guys.
Pre-order a PS3. Don't continue to support their folly. The quicker they fail, the quicker you'll be able to play Zelda on a Sony system.
-Self admission that Nintendogs is a non-game.
-Using DS as a benchmark/excuse for lack of Rev power/specs.
-Blatantly saying that they're going to go "the path less travelled" instead of go up vs. MS & Sony.
They're fucking clueless. All this crap about trying to appeal to non-gamers... how does that make you guys feel? You're all obviously GAMERS. You post on a VIDEOGAME MESSAGE BOARD ON THE INTERNET. Nintendo apparently doesn't give a shit about you guys.
Pre-order a PS3. Don't continue to support their folly. The quicker they fail, the quicker you'll be able to play Zelda on a Sony system.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
gamergirly said:
FAITH ETERNAL!1!
I think that's a great take. And to be clear, Nintendo really is only dissapointing the crowd you're talking about (see above). I think their going the route that most people saw them going before the internet hype took control. It's a good thing, and it allows them choices and priorities that could result in great work. Do we need another machine like the 360/ps3? No. Do something different.
And to be clear about my other post....I think Miyamoto could please people more and still walk this less is more path effectively. I still think their a little lost in their vision, but I hope they don't half ass whatever it is.
And I really really don't want Sunshine 2
The power part means nothing to me, it's exactly what I said they'd do before the conference.So....I guess Nighttrain's source isn't Miyamoto, eh?
After reading that it seems like Miyamoto is sabotaging Nintendo. I agree with whoever said they should demote Miyamoto back to being a game designer. Miyamoto makes games not run businesses. I bet it's Miyamoto that's urging Nintendo to make the Revolution really weak and I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that they make it weaker than the cube. Nintendo is doing something right with online, but it seems they are screwing everything else up, like no big unvieling at E3 for the revolution like the other 2 consoles, making the revolution underpowered compared to the other 2 consoles and not even asking 3rd parties to make games for them (that's what I got from the interview).
I mean the fact that Miyamoto didn't even watch the press conferences of their two competitors that are currently driving them into the ground in the console market tells me that he doesn't care if Nintendo goes the way of Sega because of their competition.
I actually thought Nintendo had changed their ways, especially after GDC, but nope, they still like being small time in the market. Sign me up for PS3 next gen and that's all I will need, even if it doesn't have Zelda.
I mean the fact that Miyamoto didn't even watch the press conferences of their two competitors that are currently driving them into the ground in the console market tells me that he doesn't care if Nintendo goes the way of Sega because of their competition.
I actually thought Nintendo had changed their ways, especially after GDC, but nope, they still like being small time in the market. Sign me up for PS3 next gen and that's all I will need, even if it doesn't have Zelda.
Catchpenny
Member
Raoul Duke said:
This works out well, since PS3 already comes with a Boomerang.
gamergirly
Member
Catchpenny said:
:lol
pestul said:What I'm wondering is.. does Nintendo have enough cash to completely fail a generation (I mean much worse than Gamecube) and survive for another gen, where either they can decide to smarten the fuck up, or make more stupid mistakes.
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i think they can afford for that too happen... whether or not they fail like that though depends on how well this retro thing ends up selling to the public and how cool their controler really is. there is actually a chance that the controller isn't just different, but actually better... like maybe it offers a drasticly better way to play most games.
there are people that spend tons of money modding their xboxes and adding big hard drives just so they can play old nintendo games on it... why not just take that money, put a little extra with it, buy the super neat looking revolution and play the new zelda too? i think it could potentially be a success, on par with the gamecube if things go well for them... and i almost gaurentee it will outsell the 360 in japan by a huge margin just like the cube did.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Well I for one I am glad Nintendo finally kicked me in the head.
I missed out on a lot of great games being a Nintendo only fan.
Next year I should have all consoles then Nintendo will really have to wow me for my left over cash, I'm putting them last on my list.
They will never go 3rd party because they are not losing money nor taking risk on big tech like Sony or MS, I wish them the best I hope they can prove us all wrong and crank out some amazing stuff Next Gen even with the lack of eye-candy.
I'm going to keep an Eye on them... That Revolution sure looks Sexy...
I missed out on a lot of great games being a Nintendo only fan.
Next year I should have all consoles then Nintendo will really have to wow me for my left over cash, I'm putting them last on my list.
They will never go 3rd party because they are not losing money nor taking risk on big tech like Sony or MS, I wish them the best I hope they can prove us all wrong and crank out some amazing stuff Next Gen even with the lack of eye-candy.
I'm going to keep an Eye on them... That Revolution sure looks Sexy...
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Error Macro said:
Yup, I'm in the same camp as you. I actually dig that Nofriendo's basically giving the finger to everyone in the industry by not sticking to the script that MS and Sony are dictating. For an old man like me who grew up on their stuff, the system's mine regardless of how powerful or cutting edge it is, especially w/ the back catalogue of stuff to download.
Where the hell do you guys get off telling Nintendo what to do and what kind of controllers to give you? Video games are art just as movies, music, and painting is. The artists can do whatever they want and you have no right to tell them otherwise. You can only choose to patronize the arts or not to patronize. If you don't like it, just shut the hell up and vote with your dollars.
Giving the patrons what they want is the reason we get less movies like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and more like XXX.
Giving the patrons what they want is the reason we get less movies like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and more like XXX.
Face it, Nintendo is not going to try to be the company YOU want them to be. For good or ill or whatever, that seems to be the way it's going to be for the foreseeable future.
There are several ways to read this though...Nintendo could be their usual conservative selves, and Revolution could very well meet or exceed XBOX 360 in the tech/graphic dept. Also, Miyamoto isn't a tech guy, he's a game design guy...I don't think he's worried about having TFLOPS out the ass. And just look at all of the "Is it or is it not pre-rendered" "Target visual" etc stuff that's we're in the wake of now. I did my "OMGs", but now, i'm simply going to wait to see the actual launch period games for all 3 systems.
On another note, is as if some people have to be told "THIS SYSTEM IS FUTURISTIC ALIEN PLANET SMASHING TECH IN A BOX" in order to enjoy something. "Quick, someone tell me if this is the most powerful system or not so I can determine whether or not I enjoy it!'....Play the games people.
There are several ways to read this though...Nintendo could be their usual conservative selves, and Revolution could very well meet or exceed XBOX 360 in the tech/graphic dept. Also, Miyamoto isn't a tech guy, he's a game design guy...I don't think he's worried about having TFLOPS out the ass. And just look at all of the "Is it or is it not pre-rendered" "Target visual" etc stuff that's we're in the wake of now. I did my "OMGs", but now, i'm simply going to wait to see the actual launch period games for all 3 systems.
On another note, is as if some people have to be told "THIS SYSTEM IS FUTURISTIC ALIEN PLANET SMASHING TECH IN A BOX" in order to enjoy something. "Quick, someone tell me if this is the most powerful system or not so I can determine whether or not I enjoy it!'....Play the games people.
gamergirly
Member
I"m such a sucker for Zelda. I just cant imagine it being on another person's system. It's just alien.....
thundersabre
Member
Musashi Wins! said:
Luigi's Mansion 2? :lol
Smiles and Cries said:Well I for one I am glad Nintendo finally kicked me in the head.
I missed out on a lot of great games being a Nintendo only fan.
Next year I should have all consoles then Nintendo will really have to wow me for my left over cash, I'm putting them last on my list.
They will never go 3rd party because they are not losing money nor taking risk on big tech like Sony or MS, I wish them the best I hope they can prove us all wrong and crank out some amazing stuff Next Gen even with the lack of eye-candy.
I'm going to keep an Eye on them... That Revolution sure looks Sexy...
I have to agree with you and if it wasn't for Nintendo's poor showing this gen (3rd party games wise and no online) then I would have never even considered a PS2 or Xbox. Yes I will be keeping an eye on Revolution but even just this little interview makes me seriously pessimistic.
I don't expect Nintendo to think they can topple Sony in the 'console wars.' I could really give a shit less about sales in general. However, it's still disheartening to see them go the way of appealing to non-gamers with stuff like Nintendogs.
From the conference to the various interviews, it really seems like that is what they want to be - a toy company. I'm sure they'll always have the Mario, Zelda, and Metroid traditional games, but they need a lot more than that to earn my dollar.
From the conference to the various interviews, it really seems like that is what they want to be - a toy company. I'm sure they'll always have the Mario, Zelda, and Metroid traditional games, but they need a lot more than that to earn my dollar.
Zerodoppler
Member
Wow, what the hell happened? They will spill the beans NEXT E3? That means we're looking at a possible holiday 2006 launch. So what should cubers play until then? Zelda? Looks like it, since N is having such a hard time getting new DS ideas out on the market that all their teams are working 24/7 on it. Well played indeed.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I love how they go on and on about how "its all about the games". And what is the 2 new things they show us? Gamebiy Micro and the Revolution hardware with no freagin games.
The problem with this mentality is that I truely believe that over half of Nintendo's fanbase needs more than just thier franchise characters. I know they're forcing me (yes forcing this time) to buy another console when I didn't really want to. I now must buy PS3 to get the diversity that I want. I was barely hanging onto the GC + PC combo this past gen. I'm buying PS3 first and if I've got any spare cash lying around.. maybe I'll get Rev.OmniGamer said:
All-Access Gaming is mentioned by Iwata alone, with the Revolution.Raoul Duke said:
But what's going on by the way. The only thing they're not doing like their competitors is not having big bad graphics. Is that bad? I mean, the PS2 doesn't have the graphics like Xbox, but it's still awesome.
Just get the 3rd party stuff right and it's all good.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Nintendo can outcoast SEGA basically forever. They make money and they have some of the strongest IP's in the world. My sister knows (maybe) who Sonic is. Basically everyone in my family recognizes characters from Nintendo.
Back in working for gaming retail...everyday people shafted the GC in favor of the big two, but everyday we had a person or two asking for an old Nintendo system. For the kids, for the family, for themselves because they didn't give a crap about the new 3D games. Or they asked for one of those tv plug ins with Nintendo games. Now they can make some sort of deluxe version of a console that could satisfy all of those needs.
Profits a-plenty, hardcore fans (who haven't been waiting for Nintendo to become Sony) satisfied along with families who will always want Nintendo games and characters.
Back in working for gaming retail...everyday people shafted the GC in favor of the big two, but everyday we had a person or two asking for an old Nintendo system. For the kids, for the family, for themselves because they didn't give a crap about the new 3D games. Or they asked for one of those tv plug ins with Nintendo games. Now they can make some sort of deluxe version of a console that could satisfy all of those needs.
Profits a-plenty, hardcore fans (who haven't been waiting for Nintendo to become Sony) satisfied along with families who will always want Nintendo games and characters.
SantaCruZer said:
Translation: We're the only place to get Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. First party games have been the attraction to Nintendo consoles for the past two consoles, and, for better or for worse, it doesn't look like that's changing. Honestly, i'll probably pick up a Revolution at launch for Super Smash Bros. Being able to play that online (and for free) would justify the system. Same with VF5 on whatever system it comes out for. i think a year or so after launch that a lot people here will be bitching and moaning that they've got to buy a Revolution because of a certain game.
Thing is, Nintendo will likely break even on the Revolution hardware. They're not packing it tons of features hoping to eventually break even or profit off it while making money on games, accessories, and service like Sony and Microsoft. First party sales alone, and that's not even taking into consideration the likely popularity of the download service, will be enough to make the Revolution a success to them. Speculation to be sure, but despite the negative perception many have of Nintendo, they know how to turn a profit.What I'm wondering is.. does Nintendo have enough cash to completely fail a generation (I mean much worse than Gamecube) and survive for another gen, where either they can decide to smarten the fuck up, or make more stupid mistakes.
Think how bad 3rd party Rev games might look into say, the 4rth year of the console. In fact, I doubt 3rd parties are even going to be able to port games to the system at all if it's kwirky enough.
We'll see how things turn out in the coming months. With likely well over a year until launch, Nintendo has plenty of time to "tweak their strategy", which i suspect will happen in some fashion by the time they launch.
You people need to calm down and learn to control your knee-reflexes. This was a great interview. If you expected something earth-shattering out of it, you haven't been paying attention: This E3 is not when the Revolution is completely unveiled. That's been obvious for a while. Miyamoto won't tell the specs. Perrin Kaplan won't, and Reggie won't. Nobody will do it now. Nintendo simply won't show their hand yet, because they want to wait until they can do it properly, with a bang. That also means saving the specifications and videos and third-party announcements until a time when they can show all those things in a great way, instead of doing it half-arsedly now. So what if they didn't blow it all out now? It only means that the day they are able to show things will be that much more impressive.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Every E3 I swear. Hell, every day I swear.
Nintendo's death knell rings.... AGAIN. ( y a w n )
I'll buy one and play MGS4 with the banana-rang when PS3 < £200.
In a couple of years, not before.
Nintendo's death knell rings.... AGAIN. ( y a w n )
Raoul Duke said:
I'll buy one and play MGS4 with the banana-rang when PS3 < £200.
In a couple of years, not before.